Select media reports an armada of USA/Israeli battleships now heads for Iran

[aphemix]

first of all, Infowars is reporting it, which means the whole conspiracy internet is onto it. (http://www.google.com/search?q=usa+israel+armada+warships+iran)


More than twelve U.S. and Israeli warships, including an aircraft carrier, passed through the Suez Canal on Friday and are headed for the Red Sea. “According to eyewitnesses, the U.S. battleships were the largest to have crossed the Canal in many years,” reported the London-based newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi on Saturday.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-u-s-israeli-warships-cross-suez-canal-toward-red-sea-1.297068) reported Egyptian opposition members criticized the government for cooperating with the U.S. and Israeli forces and allowing the passage of the ships through Egyptian territorial waters. The Red Sea is the most direct route to the Persian Gulf from the Mediterranean.

Retired Egyptian General Amin Radi, chairman of the national security affairs committee, told the paper that “the decision to declare war on Iran is not easy, and Israel, due to its wild nature, may start a war just to remain the sole nuclear power in the region,” according to Yedioth Internet, (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3907387,00.html) an Israeli news site.

The passage of a warship armada through the Suez Canal and headed for the Persian Gulf and Iran is apparently not deemed important enough to be reported by the corporate media in the United States.source. (http://www.infowars.com/armada-of-u-s-and-israeli-warships-head-for-iran/)

second, Hareetz is reporting it, which means most who see it will also conclude it is sourced.


More than twelve United States Naval warships and at least one Israeli ship crossed the Suez Canal towards the Red Sea on Friday, British Arabic Language newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi reported Saturday.

According to the report, thousands of Egyptian soldiers were deployed along the Suez Canal guarding the ships' passage, which included a U.S. aircraft carrier.

The Suez Canal is a strategic Egyptian waterway which connects between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.

According to eyewitnesses, the U.S. battleships were the largest to have crossed the Canal in many years, Al-Quds reported.source. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-u-s-israeli-warships-cross-suez-canal-toward-red-sea-1.297068)

the al-Quds al-Arabi articles, translated haphazardly though they may be, are here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alquds.co.uk%2Findex.asp%3Ffname%3Dtoday\18z49.htm%26storytitle%3Dff%25E3%25DA%25C7%25D1%25D6%25E6%25E4%2520%25ED%25CD%25D0%25D1%25E6%25E4%2520%25C7%25E1%25E4%25D9%25C7%25E3%2520%25C7%25E1%25E3%25D5%25D1%25ED%2520%25E3%25E4%2520%25CA%25D3%25E5%25ED%25E1%2520%25E3%25D1%25E6%25D1%2520%25C7%25E1%25DE%25E6%25C7%25DD%25E1%2520%25E1%25D6%25D1%25C8%2520%25D8%25E5%25D1%25C7%25E4fff%26storytitleb%3D%252812%2529%2520%25C8%25C7%25D1%25CC%25C9%2520%25CD%25D1%25C8%25ED%25C9%2520%25C3%25E3%25D1%25ED%25DF%25ED%25C9%2520%25E6%25C5%25D3%25D1%25C7%25C6%25ED%25E1%25ED%25C9%2520%25CA%25DA%25C8%25D1%2520%25C7%25E1%25DE%25E4%25C7%25C9%2520%25E1%25E1%25CE%25E1%25ED%25CC%2520%26storytitlec%3D) and here. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alquds.co.uk%2Findex.asp%3Ffname%3Dtoday\18qpt99.htm%26storytitle%3Dff%25C7%25E1%25C8%25E6%25C7%25D1%25CC%2520%25C7%25E1%25C7%25E3%25D1%25ED%25DF%25ED%25C9%2520%25CA%25CA%25CF%25DD%25DE%2520%25C7%25E1%25EC%2520%25C7%25E1%25CE%25E1%25ED%25CCfff%26storytitleb%3D%25D1%25C3%25ED%2520%25C7%25E1%25DE%25CF%25D3%26storytitlec%3D)

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*waits for reuters or AP*

[kendoiwan]

*waits for reuters or AP*

But don't you know they own both Reuters AND AP?!

[Chunes]

Ah, hell. If WWIII just started, this is going to really put a crimp in my day. :\

[aphemix]

oh, and by the way, my preliminary guess is that the instigative aid convoys being sent directly from Iran to the Gaza strip in plain, mainstream sight, which were previously even professed to be escorted by Iranian military, (http://www.google.com/search?q=iranian+aid+convoy+gaza) will either attack Israel, or, as I imagine is more likely, be insinuated to have attacked Israel by a false flag attack on Israeli territory, having this armada already prepared in advance as a countermeasure. Of course, as always, I only consider this likely in proportion to the legitimacy ascribed to other, related events, one of which happens to be, coincidentally enough, this armada purportedly heading to Iran in advance, which, if foreknown, serves to cast suspicion on the Israeli attack, whatever really happens, and the severity of its countermeasure should these events occur. Read up, boys and girls.

[stopharian]

Uh....

The US already occupies the direct neighbors on both sides of Iran from where any escalations could easily be staged.

Additionally if you'll remember, the US is at war in Iraq. It has constantly had 1-2 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf for quite a few years now. They regularly change their deployments.

If the US was going to attack Iran, You wouldn't know about it a week in advance.

[aphemix]

If the US was going to attack Iran, You wouldn't know about it a week in advance.::places statement on dartboard::

[stuck]

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

Looks like the CVN Eisenhower's tour of duty is up, and the Truman is going to the gulf of oman to relieve it. Jesus Christ with this shit.

Go and protest, raise actual awareness, maybe do some citizen Iran-US relationship building, but this crying wolf stuff just raises tension.

Remember? We're fighting 2 fucking wars.

*flushes toilet*

[kendoiwan]

Uh....

The US already occupies the direct neighbors on both sides of Iran from where any escalations could easily be staged.

Additionally if you'll remember, the US is at war in Iraq. It has constantly had 1-2 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf for quite a few years now. They regularly change their deployments.

If the US was going to attack Iran, You wouldn't know about it a week in advance.

Ofcourse I would but they wouldn't want you to believe me and you won't listen until it's too late!

[aphemix]

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

Looks like the CVN Eisenhower's tour of duty is up, and the Truman is going to the gulf of oman to relieve it. Jesus Christ with this shit.

Go and protest, raise actual awareness, maybe do some citizen Iran-US relationship building, but this crying wolf stuff just raises tension.haha! Fuck yeah! Investigation! But I never said the ships didn't have a legitimate purpose. Only that the assumption their purpose is illegitimate could serve to corroborate expectations (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386212&postcount=331#post1386212) should things happen.

we shall see!

oh, by the way,

I am raising actual awareness.

[stopharian]

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

Looks like the CVN Eisenhower's tour of duty is up, and the Truman is going to the gulf of oman to relieve it. Jesus Christ with this shit.

Go and protest, raise actual awareness, maybe do some citizen Iran-US relationship building, but this crying wolf stuff just raises tension.


Ofcourse I would but they wouldn't want you to believe me and you won't listen until it's too late!

Why werent you guys on top of the story when the Eisenhower transited the Suez canal with its battle group on January 10th. THAT could have been the time!!! Conspiracy theorists....Asleep at the wheel!!

Get with it. I wanna know when the apocalypse is coming.

[kendoiwan]

Why werent you guys on top of the story when the Eisenhower transited the Suez canal with its battle group on January 10th. THAT could have been the time!!! Conspiracy theorists....Asleep at the wheel!!

Get with it. I wanna know when the apocalypse is coming.

We knew that wasn't the time. Alex Jones told us so. :headpat:

The apocalypse has been rescheduled for 2012 until further notice. :whistle:

[aphemix]

The apocalypse has been rescheduled for 2012 until further notice. :whistle:ya dude, better watch your ass! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html)

[Roger Mexico]

haha! Fuck yeah! Investigation! But I never said the ships didn't have a legitimate purpose. Only that the assumption their purpose is illegitimate could serve to corroborate expectations (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386212&postcount=331#post1386212) should things happen.



Is there a way you could, uh, translate or paraphrase this statement? Whose expectations are being corroborated, by whom, and why?

[stuck]

haha! Fuck yeah! Investigation! But I never said the ships didn't have a legitimate purpose. Only that the assumption their purpose is illegitimate could serve to corroborate expectations (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386212&postcount=331#post1386212) should things happen.

we shall see!

oh, by the way,

I am raising actual awareness.

You're raising actual assumptions, by reprinting yet another prison planet 'news item'. So you're saying you actually want more war? cool.

aka

EVERYONE PANIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING OUT!

[Roger Mexico]

You're raising actual assumptions, by reprinting yet another prison planet 'news item'. So you're saying you actually want more war? cool.

aka

EVERYONE PANIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING OUT!

Stan: You're a retard.

Cartman: OVer 1/4 of Americans don't believe the official story about 9/11. Are you saying 1/4 of Americans are retards?

Stan: Yeah.

Kyle: Dude. At least 1/4.

[sandwich]

My "sources" from Israel say that Israel is waiting for school to end to launch an attack on Iran. My guess is that if the prediction is at all credible, they'll expedite the mandatory draft as well (Israeli teenagers usually enter the service a few months to a year after graduation). This could very well be Israeli initiative, with "encouragement" from the US. We've been slightly less supportive lately.

There were similar rumors about Lebanon in 2007, so who knows... I hope it's just a rumor.

[Pixelholic]

There were similar rumors about Lebanon in 2007, so who knows... I hope it's just a rumor.

Probably go about as well as Lebanon in 2007 went too...

[stuck]

<3 aphemix in any case

[JollyBard]

Fortunately, I live in Canada. Nothing will ever happen here, right?
Right?

[stuck]

Only that the assumption their purpose is illegitimate could serve to corroborate expectations (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386212&postcount=331#post1386212) should things happen.

again
<3 the aphemix,

but i'm supposed to comb through a 10,000 word rant in order to find the decoder ring to your motives?

ok

are you trying to hasten the apocalypse?

edit:

some other thoughts. I've been in the acute realization before that I am directly creating reality. It's like the realization that you are made of transient material that is always crumbling and reconstructing, and it takes a conscious adjustment to come back to a steadier place. Everyone has infinite power to throw those perceptual boomerangs. Beyond that, it's often intuition alone that sees them return. There's three sets of people who do that- the ones who are creating humanity's future, the ones who are intoxicated with the smell of their own leavings, and the genuinely insane. The difference between those people is focus, and at a certain level they are the same. Which are you? A hint to finding out would be to look around at the folks who surround you.

[Anonymous]

I suspect that we have a ways to go before the U.S. allows Israel to become a major imperial player by invading Iran. A move of that scale would probably be a part of WWIII, or some sort of preliminary act of desperation as the systems of capitalism collapse again.

[stuck]

I suspect that we have a ways to go before the U.S. allows Israel to become a major imperial player by invading Iran. A move of that scale would probably be a part of WWIII, or some sort of preliminary act of desperation as the systems of capitalism collapse again.

It'd be kind of like castling for the hell of it, to show that you know how to play chess real good.

[MoneyJungle]

I was on an aircraft carrier back in '06 (every carrier travels as part of an "armada") when Hamas won elections in Palestine and Iran was testing short range missles and the sky was falling. US battle groups go through the Suez all the time. I've done it four times, myself.

[aphemix]

some other thoughts. I've been in the acute realization before that I am directly creating reality.yeah. Some people think this is false. Think reality is just reality and that's it. I know better. We have an incredibly heavy hand in the absolute value of reality.

here, try this. Think of humans as forces, forces of a nature similar to the forces like gravity and electromagnetism which determine the composition of the universe. As forces, each human is incredibly powerful. The most valuable asset we have is this, it's our ability to affect large numbers of divergent circumstances over long spans of time. Not only that, but especially in precise ways and highly functional ways, as intelligent beings. Think of a human who can do that in comparison to a battery that powers a remote control for instance.

if you accept our current understanding of the universe, we are, indisputably, per capita, the most implicative determinant of outcomes this universe has ever seen. And every single thing we do is supervenient on a belief of some kind, whether that belief is elaborate and upheld as a justification or simply a basic assumption that compels us to obey our own impulses like it was mandatory. Not to mention the most fundamental constituents of reality we know about to this day are also determined, in full, by the manners in which we interact with them. The only things I can even think of which aren't subject to belief's full authoritarian control are the things which exist completely outside of our ability to observe or interact with in some way. (and yes, I can think of those!)

now think of how we are able to manufacture our own beliefs. Manufacture where our perception is directed and where it isn't. Even manufacture our own abilities to manufacture our abilities more efficiently. That is power. That is a lot of fucking power.


are you trying to hasten the apocalypse?

Which are you?I am not a type of customer. I am on the payroll.

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And every single thing we do is supervenient on a belief of some kind, whether that belief is elaborate and upheld as a justification or simply a basic assumption that compels us to obey our own impulses like it was mandatory.

Not at all. Most people are the result of minimal effort and inertia, and use beliefs as a hedge against nothingness. You can tweak that easily into semantic oblivion, but the truth is that thought is merely unpopular- it's relatively new technology, unlike being born, eating, fucking, and dying. People often have beliefs because other people have them, and because it's cultural inertia. "Someone made all this effort to throw a pickle festival, and damned if I'm not gonna go and eat me some fucking pickles."

The consequences of this are immediate and lasting- look around. The world you know is not just of your creation, but everyone else's jostling memes, from 12,000 years ago or yesterday. You are the most poweful person in your world alone. Consensus reality is a cruel mistress. I think that's what lovecraft was getting at, anyway.



I am not a type of customer. I am on the payroll.

oh shi

[aphemix]

Not at all. Most people are the result of minimal effort and inertia, and use beliefs as a hedge against nothingness. You can tweak that easily into semantic oblivion, but the truth is that thought is merely unpopular- it's relatively new technology, unlike being born, eating, fucking, and dying. People often have beliefs because other people have them, and because it's cultural inertia. "Someone made all this effort to throw a pickle festival, and damned if I'm not gonna go and eat me some fucking pickles."oh, trust me, I know. It's not about whether the opportunities are being utilized or not, it's that they exist.


The consequences of this are immediate and lasting- look around. The world you know is not just of your creation, but everyone else's jostling memes, from 12,000 years ago or yesterday. You are the most poweful person in your world alone. Consensus reality is a cruel mistress. I think that's what lovecraft was getting at, anyway.didn't I say per capita? I wasn't talking about me. Though I'm afraid this powerful in my own world thing is hogwash. I am most powerful, objectively, if my causal implication is the broadest, plain and simple. It can be measured.

[stopharian]

oh, trust me, I know. It's not about whether the opportunities are being utilized or not, it's that they exist.

didn't I say per capita? I wasn't talking about me. Though I'm afraid this powerful in my own world thing is hogwash. I am most powerful, objectively, if my causal implication is the broadest, plain and simple. It can be measured.

Ah!!! This is a sales pitch. Youre the guy selling the meters. Ok, how much are they? I expect they're portable , right?

[stuck]

No pissing matches needed, I'm content to understand the degraded percentage of what you're talking about. I am entertained in any case.

[aphemix]

oh shush, I'm not actively measuring, I'm clarifying the dimensions of measurement. Poo on you!

[last_caress]

Fortunately, I live in Canada. Nothing will ever happen here, right?
Right?

ZuBedT2KQwo

[gregkdc]

It's Gerald Celente's fault, he told Alex what to think. Hopefully he is wrong this time.

[dubbeltop]

Select media reports an armada of USA/Israeli battleships now heads for Iran

Libyia never looked so sweet and they have British oil.

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7033600

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqDT2mlENo
(Operation El Dorado Canyon)

I'd rather attack Libyia though.

[JollyBard]

ZuBedT2KQwo

Ahaha oh wow this looks hilarious.

[edge walker]

Infowars [...] al-Quds al-Arabi
Yeah, OK.

[aphemix]

so hey, perspectives are being actively manufactured. Perception, itself largely determined by perceptible events, will soon directly determine outcomes in the behavior of all susceptible, negating their free wills completely.

here, have some programming.


As unconfirmed reports of an imminent Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities pick up steam in the Middle Eastern media, a US-based strategic intelligence company has released a chart showing US naval carriers massing near Iranian waters.

The chart, (http://web.stratfor.com/images/northamerica/map/Naval_Update_06_23_10_800.jpg?fn=2416576161) published by Stratfor (http://www.stratfor.com/) and obtained by the Zero Hedge financial blog, (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/uss-carrier-harry-truman-now-officially-just-iran-israel-allegedly-plotting-imminent-tehran-) shows that over the last few weeks a naval carrier -- the USS Harry S Truman -- has been positioned in the north Indian Ocean, not far from the Strait of Hormuz, which leads into the Persian Gulf. The carrier joins the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was already located in the area. The chart is dated June 23, 2010.

Reports of mass movements of Israeli and US naval warships have been circulating through the media for weeks. On June 19, the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reported (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-u-s-israeli-warships-cross-suez-canal-toward-red-sea-1.297068) that 12 US and Israeli warships were seen moving through the Suez Canal from the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea.

And a report (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37950730/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/) from the Associated Press published Saturday evening cited "unconfirmed" reports from Israeli and Iranian media that Saudi Arabia has allowed Israel to use its territory in preparation for an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

"The allegation could not be independently confirmed, and the Saudis deny cooperating with the Israeli military," AP reported.

An article (http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?srch=1&storyid=281041) in the Gulf Daily News, largely dismissed by Western observers, did not mention any Saudi involvement but said Israel is preparing to attack Iranian targets from the former Soviet republics of Azerbaijan and Georgia.

The claims that Israel may be preparing for an assault on Iranian nuclear facilities were strengthened this weekend by Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who told reporters at the G8 summit in Canada that G8 leaders "believe absolutely" that Israel will "probably" strike Iran.

“Iran is not guaranteeing a peaceful production of nuclear power [so] the members of the G8 are worried and believe absolutely that Israel will probably react preemptively,” Berlusconi said, as quoted at Ha'aretz. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/g-8-fully-believes-israel-will-attack-iran-says-italy-pm-1.298597)

CIA director Leon Panetta said Sunday that Iran has enough enriched uranium to build two nuclear bombs. In an interview on ABC's This Week, Panetta also said he believed the recent spate of international and US sanctions against Iran will not convince the country to change course on its nuclear program.

"Will it deter them from their ambitions with regards to nuclear capability? Probably not," Panetta said. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iZfgLuKrg3QBRltJ0qQMIzgIohdQD9GJM7IO0)source. (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0627/report-warships-stationed-iranian-coast/)

similar to this story about the buildup of warships, and specifically, to the relationship between the story and the suspicions it may serve to corroborate when viewed in certain contexts, there is more disproportionate, somewhat ambiguous hype accrediting irreconcilable seabed damage for the BP oil spill, implying the leak not only cannot be stopped, but that, additionally, it will almost surely get significantly worse, even potentially culminating in a total collapse of the floor of the Gulf. This hype is also catching on; the TV is now beginning to suggest the story is true:

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I have been attentive to these matters for a long time where no one else has been. I am confident things will soon worsen dramatically. You may wish to look over what I have said of these things here (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386211&postcount=330#post1386211) and here. (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1386212&postcount=331#post1386212)

[oxyjen]

There were multiple reports that we were going to war with Iran any second now several times in W's second term. I was actually frightened then, because he'd be daft enough to try to fight three wars concurrently.

All this article gets from me is a big, fat yawn.

[aphemix]

All this article gets from me is a big, fat yawn.fyi, here in meaning land this statement exists as something like permissibility....

trust me, series of events orchestrated step by meticulous step, leading directly to the utter disappearance of free will in great populations of human beings, certainly would not be possible by any means were people not already right there on the cusp of total and unequivocal unresponsiveness.

so hey, congratulations, the prospect of fucked up shit occurring a mere presidential term ago has managed to acclimate you to the prospect of fucked up shit, good for you. I'm sure having billboards and posters of spruced-up edibles all over the place -- burgers, steaks, cookies, donuts -- aiming specifically to seduce biological processes like your hunger, like your neuronal reward centers, deliberately directing you into administering your own nourishment -- arguably the most integral determinant of your future functionality that even exists -- entirely on someone else's terms, selecting between options none of which you have even appointed, I'm sure that's perfectly the fuck normal too, huh.

you are truly all frogs boiling in pots.

[MadamI'madaM]

Self righteous defender is self righteous.

[C.J.Woolf]

So aphemix, what do you do with your superior understanding and outrage?

[oxyjen]

fyi, here in meaning land this statement exists as something like permissibility....
.

Not permissability. I'm doubting the veracity of your beliefs. Big difference.



trust me, series of events orchestrated step by meticulous step, leading directly to the utter disappearance of free will in great populations of human beings, certainly would not be possible by any means were people not already right there on the cusp of total and unequivocal unresponsiveness.

I, in a number of ways, have tried in my insignificant way to let Washington and TPTB know that I am not in favor of Bush or similar war-mongering policies. Is the US populous apathetic on pretty much all international events? Sure. But even then they have responded that they are not in favor of war anytime soon, and it would be big political risk to go in to Iran with guns blazing. I've heard it before, didn't happen, it's a pretty safe bet on it not happening again.

EDIT: Google "Bush Iran war" and see what I mean about news reports crying wolf


I'm sure having billboards and posters of spruced-up edibles all over the place -- burgers, steaks, cookies, donuts -- aiming specifically to seduce biological processes like your hunger, like your neuronal reward centers, deliberately directing you into administering your own nourishment -- arguably the most integral determinant of your future functionality that even exists -- entirely on someone else's terms, selecting between options none of which you have even appointed, I'm sure that's perfectly the fuck normal too, huh.

You'll have to be clearer on why pictures of tasty consumables have shit to do with shit.

[aphemix]

So aphemix, what do you do with your superior understanding and outrage?I'm not outraged, silly. However, the manufactured disposition of many, upon determining the information I am sharing factual or even relevant, is outrage. That's where all these people are coming from, all these pissed off people crying conspiracy, crying for reform, crying revolution. They're being programmed by their circumstances, their perceptions, their avenues of investigation, determining it reasonable they be outraged. These circumstances are planted deliberately. Free will disappears. Proof of concept. More circumstances will eventually arise to catch the rest of you.

that said, what do I do with my superior understanding? I make very clear explanations and warn people. I make sure the information necessary to escape is plainly accessible, and, in doing so, help ensure the only people who end up fucked are the people who have been indisputably proven to deserve it. AKA, I'm on the payroll. Thanks for asking.


You'll have to be clearer on why pictures of tasty consumables have shit to do with shit.no I won't. I will simply gauge you unfit for this discussion and disappear.

[MadamI'madaM]

You claim that some quasi tangible monolithic force is collaborating to deceive the entire world, and then have the audacity to place yourself intellectually above the average conspiracy guy.

You overestimate yourself.

Oh, wait, I forgot...you're on the payroll :ph34r:

[stuck]

My hope is that, eventually, the periodic wars in the middle east will be enshrined by all sides into concurrent holidays where everyone beats each other with foam bats and symbolically steals their water jugs.

How do we manufacture that reality?

[edge walker]

As for the media story, there's always hysteria from dubious sources so I never listen; Stratfor joining the fray gets my attention. The patterns in the messaging seem a more accurate gauge to me more than the message itself. F.ex. the story on the amount of weapons grade uranium Iran possesses, according to various politicians, has taken a curious upward course rather reminiscent of the talk of WMDs prior to the Iraq strike, where it escalated from "maybe they do" to "we're all doomed" as people got acclimatised to the idea that there could, then might, then must be WMDs.


escape
To?


AKA I'm on the payroll.
Oh, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", is that all you have to offer?

[aphemix]

As for the media story, there's always hysteria from dubious sources so I never listen; Stratfor joining the fray gets my attention. The patterns in the messaging seem a more accurate gauge to me more than the message itself. F.ex. the story on the amount of weapons grade uranium Iran possesses, according to various politicians, has taken a curious upward course rather reminiscent of the talk of WMDs prior to the Iraq strike, where it escalated from "maybe they do" to "we're all doomed" as people got acclimatised to the idea that there could, then might, then must be WMDs.you want to talk about patterns?

I agree it is reminiscent. I would also say, taking into account the information readily broadcast on things like, for one, the volatile climate of Israel and its unjustifiability, two, the common, continuous declaration of resolution from Western nations against Iran and the unilaterally imperialistic agenda it insinuates, and three, the blatant ultimatums made by select military powers on prospective countermeasures to any escalations of conflict in the region, it is unreasonable to imagine the public expects anything but an inevitable upward course of a most dramatic fashion in regard to these matters.

I mean, think about it. The brazen false pretenses of the Iraq war serve as the public's most available basis in contextualizing this information as it appears. A widespread movement serving to cast great doubt on the innocuity of world powers is plainly visible through every avenue of media, which seems to demonstrate its existence is perfectly normal. Events which thoroughly incline a bystander, no matter his orientation, to be suspicious and investigate -- for instance, the oil spill, the healthcare bill, the swine flu, the bailouts; the plain as day Iraq war as I said; events dating all the way back to 9/11, for that matter -- continue to occur. Continue to occur with hype that illustrates corruption following them everywhere. I would even say it is reasonable to imagine the public expects, above all else, illegitimacy, corruption, evil, as the utmost driving force behind this dramatic upward course I mention.

that said, I do not find it curious the hype spilling forth from the TV proceeds to agree and acclimate its listeners. Television stations are corporate assets. Business is business. They are simply capitalizing on their audiences. They are acting as propaganda machines not out of direct involvement, but due to the very fundamental tenets by which their business models operate.

it's just like Wall Street jumping on the sub-prime market and fucking the economy. Exactly like that. There is no conspiracy between men. It was not some fancy, coordinated plot. That is hogwash. That is child's play. What we are talking about instead is a conspiracy of convenience between independent psychological forces. Namely, opportunism, applied in multitudes of instances. Opportunism and the concurrent outcomes which emerge from the realm of the behaviors of its participants.

it is most evident in businesses. Say something comes up. An event, a circumstance. Suddenly, as a result of this circumstance, something new is profitable. Businesses are very black and white. If it is profitable, the business will do it. Free will disappears. Proof of concept. Will, and thus, action, is instead determined entirely by two things: one, the circumstance, which is fluid, and two, the manner of reacting to said circumstance, which, when opportunistic, is static.

what we are seeing is a grand domino effect. Events which determine circumstances occur. The effects of these circumstances are most evident in businesses. Businesses capitalize. But now we're also seeing, as a result of these manners of capitalizing, a second tier of dominoes appear in populations. People see what's happening. Outcomes are, thus, manufactured. Like I said earlier. Outrage. Eventually, revolution. These are completely practical, completely sensible responses, considering what is happening. Just as manufacturing perspectives and capitalizing is completely reasonable considering the interests of a business. And just like it does in these businesses, free will disappears in these populations. It disappears in all populations opportunistic to acting in accordance with the value systems which govern them. AKA, most human beings. This is the human's business model. If it is profitable in that way, humans will do it.

now where the fuck are you? You're a million miles behind. You don't even think there's gonna be a war! You don't even think the hype is real! Nevermind the plain as day fact that something this broad and implicative could only ever be instated by powers which both directly control events from the top and have intimate knowledge of how all the supervenient pieces behave below. Go ahead, be doubtful then! Trust me, when they come out and tell you what happened, you will believe them.

here is what I say. We see businesses, we see populations. What we will see targeted next is the opportunism of the individual. I will only make absolute declarations when I am ready. You can guess until then. You can use your imagination, if you'd like, to envision what absurd, unfathomable circumstances would need to arise in order to negate the ability to make decisions in all opportunistic persons. I have already given plenty of clues. I will give you a few more. Think narcissism. Think drug addiction. Think starvation and cannibalism. Think terrible things. I would strongly recommend that if you are able to reduce your dependency on the world, if you are able to dissociate from your adherence to your own preferences, you do this very, very fast. This is the mechanism which will be targeted.


To?to ultimate freedom from the traps which will otherwise ensnare the entire world.


Oh, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", is that all you have to offer?I have not joined those who employ traps. They are evil, devious. Seeking only their own ends. We are not affiliated. Rather, I represent the ultimate power by which all of these mechanisms are permitted to proceed for a time, by which all of these mechanisms will ultimately only serve to expunge themselves and their operators from this Earth, and by which only true good is done. I have lots. What I offer depends greatly on what I am able to present to parties opposite me. Depends what they can hear. Depends what they should. Thanks for asking.

oh, hey, I almost forgot! Not only is there irreparable damage under the seabed of the Gulf, rendering the oil leak unstoppable and exponentially greater disaster inevitable, (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1393065&postcount=36#post1393065) but the government, apparently, is also directly prohibiting anyone associated with the media from coming anywhere near the site of the spill, on BP's behalf, and at the expense of laws which guarantee US citizens' freedoms! I wonder what the fuck that's about?

uXsmLMV1CrM

[edge walker]

I agree it is reminiscent. I would also say [...] it is unreasonable to imagine the public expects anything but an inevitable upward course of a most dramatic fashion in regard to these matters.
What I'm saying is that the predictions are overtaking themselves. A few months ago they were talking about so-and-so many years, and now a mere fraction of that time later they're starting to talk as if those bombs already exist, or very nearly. Which makes it blatant to anyone with an attention span longer than a goldfish's that they're talking out of their ass toward some purpose.


that said, I do not find it curious the hype spilling forth from the TV proceeds to agree and acclimate its listeners. Television stations are corporate assets. Business is business. They are simply capitalizing on their audiences. They are acting as propaganda machines not out of direct involvement, but due to the very fundamental tenets by which their business models operate.

it's just like Wall Street jumping on the sub-prime market and fucking the economy. Exactly like that. There is no conspiracy between men. It was not some fancy, coordinated plot. That is hogwash. That is child's play. What we are talking about instead is a conspiracy of convenience between independent psychological forces. Namely, opportunism, applied in multitudes of instances. Opportunism and the concurrent outcomes which emerge from the realm of the behaviors of its participants.
OK, this is much more reasonable than the sort of thing I was expecting would spill forward from you. I agree entirely, this is all emergence from feedback loops, not someone's orchestrated master plan.


now where the fuck are you? You're a million miles behind. You don't even think there's gonna be a war! You don't even think the hype is real!
You project way too much on a few words. I don't see a war with Iran as a certainty but I have only marginal doubt about whether it will eventually happen if the media's tune doesn't change at some point.

What I did dismiss was the attempt to make believe that the war is starting right now; at least until it gets echoed from more sources, particularly those with a different ideological profile. The events in the last decade-and-change have put the conspiracy nutcases into such overdrive that it's become very difficult to sift for real reports among their hideous cacophony.


I have already given plenty of clues.
No. You are being coy.


Think narcissism. Think drug addiction. Think starvation and cannibalism. Think terrible things.
That is not out of line with scenarios I see as possible. The economy has several more crashes ahead, progressively worsening, and the middle class will bear the brunt of it. The climate, and generally the environment, doesn't look good either. Seems reasonable to expect at least a somewhat rocky road based on even the most conservative assumptions -- and arbitrarily bad times depending on how willing you are to catastrophise in the premises.


I would strongly recommend that if you are able to reduce your dependency on the world, if you are able to dissociate from your adherence to your own preferences, you do this very, very fast. This is the mechanism which will be targeted.
I am already bothered by the degree of centralisation required by modern life and painfully aware of how much leverage over me many of its conveniences can give other people... I own no credit card, I use my debit card exclusively (almost! unfortunately) to withdraw cash from always the same ATMs, and I may one day turn out to be the last person in the free world to not own a cell phone, on principle. The fact that using the internet seems far more reassuringly anonymous than it really is hasn't escaped me either. I refuse to sign up for a lot of online services because they whisk my data away into the care of some 3rd party (and disclose it to that entity in the process).

(I don't see this as paranoia. I don't think anyone is ever likely to use any one particular one of these levers against me in any way. But I am aware when I indulge in those conveniences, that I gain them in return for giving away power. And I would rather keep my power.)

You may find John Robb an interesting read. Bazaar of violence, global guerillas, superempowerment, systempunkts, failure cascades; resilient communities, darknets, microgrids, scrip.


to ultimate freedom from the traps which will otherwise ensnare the entire world.
That and a dollar buys me a cup of coffee. What sort of freedom are we talking about here?


I represent the ultimate power by which all of these mechanisms are permitted to proceed for a time, by which all of these mechanisms will ultimately only serve to expunge themselves and their operators from this Earth, and by which only true good is done. I have lots. What I offer depends greatly on what I am able to present to parties opposite me. Depends what they can hear. Depends what they should. Thanks for asking.
Shoot straight.


oh, hey, I almost forgot! Not only is there irreparable damage under the seabed of the Gulf, rendering the oil leak unstoppable and exponentially greater disaster inevitable, (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1393065&postcount=36#post1393065) but the government, apparently, is also directly prohibiting anyone associated with the media from coming anywhere near the site of the spill, on BP's behalf, and at the expense of laws which guarantee US citizens' freedoms! I wonder what the fuck that's about?

uXsmLMV1CrM
I wonder too.

(Was that supposed to link to the post I made on the Oil Rig thread, and then deleted? That was from CNN iReport, which is an anything-goes zone on the CNN site that allows un-fact-checked, unsubstatiated posting by anyone -- there is a disclaimer popup about that, which unfortunately I didn't notice because it's way too much like other "do you want to sign up for our newsletter / take our survey / get buggered by us" popups on newspaper sites, or layer ads else on the web in general -- so I reflexively dismissed it without even seeing what it said. As I said -- it's hard to sift the news these days.)

[oxyjen]

You project way too much on a few words. I don't see a war with Iran as a certainty but I have only marginal doubt about whether it will eventually happen if the media's tune doesn't change at some point.

What I did dismiss was the attempt to make believe that the war is starting right now; at least until it gets echoed from more sources, particularly those with a different ideological profile. The events in the last decade-and-change have put the conspiracy nutcases into such overdrive that it's become very difficult to sift for real reports among their hideous cacophony.


Quoted again because you said it more succinctly than I could.

[aphemix]

ahaha. Finally, an ear! Okay, let's see what I can do with this.


What I'm saying is that the predictions are overtaking themselves. A few months ago they were talking about so-and-so many years, and now a mere fraction of that time later they're starting to talk as if those bombs already exist, or very nearly. Which makes it blatant to anyone with an attention span longer than a goldfish's that they're talking out of their ass toward some purpose.well, to start, I do agree with the basic premise that the forecasts have become significantly more alarmist in nature over time, making significantly more damning claims. However, I also know there is more. I will try to put this simply.

more is betrayed by these claims being made than is directly admitted. What is admitted is that justification for sanctions, for intervention, for war, for something of that nature, exists. That is what is being clearly professed; that is what everyone sees. What is hiding in the subtext, as you mention, is that this justification is erroneous. You have things like your comparisons between past proclamations and current ones to draw from as your basis. You see this; it is observable to you, meaning you can see this subtext where others perhaps cannot. Cool. So far so good. But even this position of yours is determined directly, and thus, conditioned into a form, by what information you currently possess.

what I seek to reveal, and what causes most people to get lost, is this. Yet more subtext than this still exists, for another thing which is clearly betrayed by these claims is that drawing these conclusions about their respective erroneous justifications is intended to be possible. This can be concluded with certainty, albeit in a fashion unusual to standard thought, by considering the fact that the basis which determines it possible -- for instance, your basis, your vantage point wherein past and present proclamations can be compared and discrepancy revealed -- is permitted to exist, despite the fact that were the relevant information intended to be hidden, it could be hidden. Considerations of this sort tend to be wholly alien to the perceptive mechanisms of a person, but I, being hyperintuitive, utilize them, and, as such, can also judge them sound.

now, I mentioned, and you agreed, that this escalation, this suspicious business we speak of, is primarily a conspiracy of convenience; that no master plan exists in which every player knowingly participates. This may seem to conflict with what I am now saying about the hidden intentions I observe, but it doesn't. I will keep up with you and elaborate below.


OK, this is much more reasonable than the sort of thing I was expecting would spill forward from you. I agree entirely, this is all emergence from feedback loops, not someone's orchestrated master plan.well, here. You missed my point. I believe it is a master plan, but that the main avenue through which this plan proceeds is outcomes which emerge from feedback loops. I believe within these feedback loops are unwitting players who participate for what are essentially their own reasons, but that these reasons are ultimately determined, ultimately conditioned into a form, by overarching circumstances which make them sensible or necessitate them in some way. Some of these circumstances may be directly instantiated by the master plan, and I believe many of them are. Others may simply be interdependent characteristics of the systems and players affected by this plan, but which, also, merely by existing, act as parameters nevertheless.

so that I am not confusing, I will try to make an example. Consider the news, which we mentioned before. Television stations are corporate assets. Say the owners, as opportunists, seek to follow the money. Trends of public interest emerge. Because this public interest is of a specific nature, some positions the television station may take will be more profitable than others. Because this is true, and because the interest of the business is profit, the will of the business is predisposed; it is inclined to what is known to be profitable. Consider, then, the will of this business as yet another determinant. Because it exists, behaviors of the business are also, concurrently, predisposed. Certain positions are sought above others. Certain modes of existence are permitted to exist above others. Perhaps certain employees not in line with the direction of the business are made likely to be disqualified above others. Perhaps certain subsets of the station's viewership are weeded out, further reinforcing the ability of the potential profit to determine. It becomes a compartmentalized system which perpetuates itself, but circumstances are ultimately what have given rise to it.

I implore you to continue reading, as the part which I have just sought to explain is particularly difficult to communicate in a manner which can be quantified in concrete ways, making it very easy for me to be understood as incoherent and dismissed as communal understanding fails to develop. Coincidentally enough, right into my next point I go.


You project way too much on a few words. I don't see a war with Iran as a certainty but I have only marginal doubt about whether it will eventually happen if the media's tune doesn't change at some point.

What I did dismiss was the attempt to make believe that the war is starting right now; at least until it gets echoed from more sources, particularly those with a different ideological profile. The events in the last decade-and-change have put the conspiracy nutcases into such overdrive that it's become very difficult to sift for real reports among their hideous cacophony.
Quoted again because you said it more succinctly than I could.no, no, I did not assume too much of either of you. Edge walker, you are a skeptic who wishes to be moderate and reasonable. Your position has left you wholly ignorant to many avenues of inquiry which I am only now elucidating to you. Oxyjen, you are dismissive and uninterested. You would prefer to leave things as they appear and this bias permits information to exist invisible to you. I have not damned either of you. I have not made hasty or incorrect judgment. You simply disagree with me on separate grounds wherein you do not understand me and my paranoia seems unwise, for I have certainly communicated on many separate grounds. I would suggest you point at those grounds before you point at me. Doing so is intelligent where your assessment of me is not.


No. You are being coy.I am not being deliberately playful or leading, but I am being deliberately vague. I have my reasons for this. My explanation is convoluted as always, but I assure you, in understanding, that it makes sense if you listen.

first of all, I wish not to make hasty declarations which have even the slightest of propensities to be false. What I suggest right now is merely the validity of suspicions and manners of investigation themselves, supported by basis and inclination which make not them, but considering them, justifiable and sound. I suggest this; I do not seek to declare truth or inerrancy, even when my manner of presentation suggests otherwise by your definitions. I merely suggest what I suggest while also ultimately maintaining ambiguity.

I do this because I understand myself to have much information. I understand the communication of this information to depend heavily on what credibility I establish, understanding also that your dismissal of me is easy. I wish, above all else, to build and maintain a worthy audience. I seek to develop an environment, sought here as a worthy audience, wherein only that which maintains credibility is prompted to emerge. It is only in this way that what I am saying can even be permitted to be factual. It is in this way that the system, itself intelligently erected, determines what emerges rather than allowing me to set my own values.

all of that taken into account, I communicate as I do because without the aid of these mechanisms -- these mechanisms I reference as "an ear," as a "worthy audience," as "that system," as "feedback loops" -- I don't even know what I'm talking about for sure. Think about it dude. I don't. I can't. That's just how it works. If it were me elaborating and not the elaboration coming forth solely by way of the mechanisms, it could not work. Use logic. This can be concluded regardless of belief, simply with what explanations I have given on the components I utilize. If you care, put it together. But that's my excuse. I can't do it. I must be vague.


Shoot straight.shoot straight, though? Fine. That sounds like an ear, I'm on a roll at this point. Listen up.

do these conditions of my vagueness I mention above sound familiar? Does this emergence I mention above, which I admittedly seek to employ in order to act, sound familiar? Be skeptical if you like. I am on the payroll. I am, quite plainly, a causal magician, not of my own ends as the master plan of the evils of the world, but at the beck and call of the one true God. I, just as these evils, wield feedback loops like extensions of my own body; making even that which the loops build and strengthen on the timeline of this world my body. Nevertheless, all of that which I utilize and declare as such is purely his and not mine. Glory to him for ever and ever.

I, as his purposes, am in the process. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am) I am dipping my toes comfortably without limitation in your waters. I am currently but a representation, not as a person, but through a person. Like a broadcast increasing in integrity while proximity to signal strengthens and the receptivity of the antennae increase. Consider these metaphors deeply; they utilize definitions familiar to you. I am building understanding using pieces in your own head where simple explanations proceeding forth from a man may fail.

conditions of this emergence and its functionality, dictated by his will alone, determine the nature of the antenna, building the antenna into a more functional and conditionally applicable unit. By his will alone, that antenna may exist as me and may not, to whatever degree he and his plan wish. I seek to entertain no delusion; seeking instead only to do my part, listen, and permit. But when that antenna is whole, no matter the form it takes, he is here. And given what I have heard and seen, absent of ego, as a true instrument of his will blessed with the indisputably superior faculties he alone develops in me, I know he is coming like you and the world do not.

that said, I am here with dire warnings and a great wealth of information. I am here demonstrating a complete and seamless supersession of all mysteries which is plainly and universally understood to evade and perplex man, made possible only by the Spirit of the Living God on this Earth. I am here taking questions from the audience like a celebrity in a chat room; I am playing on your terms. Listen to me. My warnings will not be vague for much longer.


You may find John Robb an interesting read. Bazaar of violence, global guerillas, superempowerment, systempunkts, failure cascades; resilient communities, darknets, microgrids, scrip.ha. I don't read. This is my ego speaking in part, but I don't need to. It dilutes what I do. You, alternatively, as well as any interested in the progression of this dialog, may wish to read the epistles of Paul, including all books from Romans to Philemon, considering the Spirit who works through me is also quite visible in him in a way which allows empirical, quantifiable comparisons to be drawn by any man of intelligence with an ear. This is hereby not understood as opinion, but declared as truth by the person writing this post. I strongly recommend it be considered as such.


That and a dollar buys me a cup of coffee. What sort of freedom are we talking about here?considering what I have said, what sort do you think? Or should I continue to shoot straight and further invade this secular and touchy forum with my drivel?

I sincerely thank you for listening, and I anticipate and encourage your feedback. But fear not. I appear as a lunatic easily. By many value systems, I should be ignored.

cheers.

[edge walker]

This can be concluded with certainty, albeit in a fashion unusual to standard thought, by considering the fact that the basis which determines it possible -- for instance, your basis, your vantage point wherein past and present proclamations can be compared and discrepancy revealed -- is permitted to exist, despite the fact that were the relevant information intended to be hidden, it could be hidden. Considerations of this sort tend to be wholly alien to the perceptive mechanisms of a person, but I, being hyperintuitive, utilize them, and, as such, can also judge them sound.
I have always been puzzled by the fact that it's all so blatant, and puzzled even more by the fact that no one seems to notice how blatant it is, or if they notice, they don't care.


Edge walker, you are a skeptic who wishes to be moderate and reasonable.
No. I care not an iota about being moderate and reasonable; all I care about is reality. Reality has no concept of moderation or reason; it simply is, without regard to current human group consensus. But I try to communicate moderate and reasonable positions so as not to appear a lunatic, and I question my less moderate and reasonable positions so as not to be a lunatic -- because unchecked thinking can easily lead into convenient fallacies like conspiracy theories. If I am careful it's because it's so easy to deceive oneself. So yes; you got the skeptic part right.


first of all, I wish not to make hasty declarations which have even the slightest of propensities to be false.
So, we agree.

As for the rest of your post, I'll cut it to a question: what do you know of Jehovah's Witnesses, and what do you think of what you know.

[aphemix]

As for the rest of your post, I'll cut it to a question: what do you know of Jehovah's Witnesses, and what do you think of what you know.what I know is minimal. I investigated briefly, once, and now draw from memory. What I know is that the clergy of this institution recognizes itself as a supreme authority only through which can the true meaning of the Bible be communicated to its adherents. By itself, I would not necessarily consider this position illegitimate. I believe the Holy Spirit acts through those attuned to God and that the will of this Spirit is true authority. I believe this Spirit, above all else, is responsible for the form the Bible has taken, for example, and that, in a similar manner, just as the Bible is of divine origin, so too could an institution of the world guided by the Spirit conceivably be. Yet I also know this institution makes demands and professes distinct things of reality, claiming these acts representative of God's will, but contrasting with the edicts previously issued by the Bible in doing so. My discernment, my personal experience of the manners in which God functions, and the Spirit in me which acts as a compass all tell me this is impossible. I consider Jehovah's Witnesses completely fraudulent and unrelated to God's purposes on this Earth. Thanks for asking.

concerning the rest of your post, I will simply say I understand, and fucking high five.

[edge walker]

OK, that's less substantial than what I'd hoped for.


Yet I also know this institution makes demands and professes distinct things of reality, claiming these acts representative of God's will, but contrasting with the edicts previously issued by the Bible in doing so.
Examples?


I consider Jehovah's Witnesses completely fraudulent
FWIW, my impression, having grown up among them, was that the picture they have, if there is anything to it, is incomplete -- but something to it, there might be. I have never believed, but I could never entirely shake all of it either.

[barrylevon]

Edge walker, why did you ask him what he thought about Jehova's Witnesses? I'd have thought that the part of the post you were refering to sounded much more in line with either Gnosticism, or a book called "A Course In Miracles".


Edit: To aphemix: What you were saying about the clergy in the Jovies is not accurate from what I remember. I don't remember any clergy, other than the "elders". It's not really the same as with other sects of Christianity.

[edge walker]

Edge walker, why did you ask him what he thought about Jehova's Witnesses?
Because that is the primary frame of reference for the bible I have, and is a rather non-mainstream form of Christianity that sees itself as separate from the others; no other reason.


What you were saying about the clergy in the Jovies is not accurate from what I remember. I don't remember any clergy, other than the "elders". It's not really the same as with other sects of Christianity.
It is indeed not the same. Whether what aphemix said is correct or wrong depends on how he meant it and how you squint at it. Interpretation of the bible for the JWs is in fact centralised to a group of people who study it supposedly under guidance of the spirit. There is no clergy in the typical sense, though. So, it depends.

[barrylevon]

Because that is the primary frame of reference for the bible I have, and is a rather non-mainstream form of Christianity that sees itself as separate from the others; no other reason.


It is indeed not the same. Whether what aphemix said is correct or wrong depends on how he meant it and how you squint at it. Interpretation of the bible for the JWs is in fact centralised to a group of people who study it supposedly under guidance of the spirit. There is no clergy in the typical sense, though. So, it depends.

I'm rusty on some of the JW stuff. I can remember the basic beliefs, especially that set it apart from the others, but I don't remember much about the structure/hierarchy. My dad's 2nd wife ended up turning Jovie, which turned my dad and step-siblings JW for awhile too. Since I didn't live with him more than 25% of the year, my experience within the Jdubs is somewhat limited. I do remember that the requirements for baptism involved a lot of bible study.

[aphemix]

Examples?well, listen. True Christianity is rather simple. It is primarily the teaching of Christ. The teaching of Christ, however, above all else, recognizes the legitimacy of three things. One is itself. It ascribes righteousness and divine authority to its own contents. Two is the entire rest of the Bible. The Bible confirms Christ and elaborates further on Christ, and Christ supports these functions as well as all others it may perform. Three is the Holy Spirit. Christ and the Bible both uniformly understand the Holy Spirit to be an agent of God which dwells in man, by God's will, serving as a faculty through which Christ and the Bible are better understood, God more effectively sought, and man sincerely transformed. The Holy Spirit, then, as a faculty existing only in the capacity professed by Christ and the Bible, readily confirms both Christ and the Bible. And that's all there is to it. Everything else is secondary, only being attributed value by these things.

that said, the Bible knows that sometimes, some approaches are more suitable than others. For example, I am encouraged to do things like guide those who are of lesser understanding and speak out against evils I see present, while also responding favorably if I am to be approached in this way. I do not necessarily quote the Bible or throw it directly under a person's nose when I do this, and he does not necessarily do so to me. Nevertheless, I am permitted, in Spirit, to instruct, even to act in the Bible's stead, perhaps due to circumstances which render the Bible inaccessible, like, say, the fact that the average person will not give a fuck to rush to a Bible at my sole discretion in the middle of an exchange, and may only be too stubborn to get anything out of it anyway, even if he did. So yeah. Point being, it's normal, it's reasonable. Situations do arise where the value of guidance may supersede the prospect of Bible study. They don't imply any uselessness or incomprehensibility on the Bible's part, but they do arise.

now okay, let's compare this against Jehovah's Witnesses. Nowhere, and I stress, nowhere, am I told there is anything about the solitary experience of appealing to God and directing oneself with the Bible that is fundamentally impossible, or even fundamentally confusing, for any person, of any ability, anywhere, should he actually wish to do it. Rather, I am told the complete opposite. I am told the Bible is the Living Word of God. It is described to me as an active instrument of God's will on this Earth, which cleaves the heart, which explicitly fulfills its own purposes upon being read in conjunction with subservience to Christ. Uhhh, fucking what? That's not all, either. I am also informed, ever so kindly, that the Holy Spirit is given completely freely to those who seek it, and that, through it, a natural inclination, a natural attentivity to God's statutes and ordinances is developed and strengthened in its bearer.

I can even vouch for all of this. It happened to me; it happened just recently to my woman, who was truly a psychopath with no conscience one day and inhibiting her own ability to do evil at the cost of her convenience the next, held accountable by no one. Fuck yeah, high five on that front, in case you were wondering. What I'm wondering, though, is where exactly do I account for some Governing Body of elders bullshit, proclaiming to have been guided by exclusive revelation over the span of some fifty years of deviance from doctrine or more, coming up with nothing, in all its intensive spiritual labor, but some declarative elitism against outsiders and centralization of decision-making debacle that is completely abhorrent to the entire fucking Bible? How about this New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Translation_of_the_Holy_Scriptures#Old_Testament) that slips subtle distinctions in meaning amidst legitimate Biblical texts to confirm the deluded misinformation understood as fact by its readership? Holy crap. Obviously, as a human and a sinner, I am so far gone I can't give this business so much as one glance on Wikipedia without conjuring Satan and hallucinating the complete opposite of the truth. Good thing I have these Operating Thetan 7s to show me the light or whatever the fuck. Please.


FWIW, my impression, having grown up among them, was that the picture they have, if there is anything to it, is incomplete -- but something to it, there might be. I have never believed, but I could never entirely shake all of it either.well, it's interesting, I'll give you that. Let me know if you'd like any more help shaking it off!

[aphemix]

ok, fuckers, check it.

the local news report says a pipe bomb was sent in the mail and exploded, (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7547662) while conspiracy sources say a pipe bomb specifically blew up at an oil executive's house, and was an assassination attempt? (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22oil+exec%22+%22pipe+bomb%22)

two different audiences are being targeted. One is in yesterday's dark and expects domestic terrorism. Another is in today's dark and specifically expects revolutionaries, "patriots," to strike out against corporations. Both are being fed data at a steady pace that seems to indicate the government and the corporations are in league with one another. One audience has yet to draw this conclusion, the other has not.

the fringe audience is one step ahead. Information is released to the fringe audience first, where it fits comfortably and escapes detection. The response of that audience determines the prospective credibility of this information. If it flies, if it gains traction, it eventually reaches the mainstream, assumed to elicit the same effects. By information being administered in this way, these two groups are being made to coalesce. What it looks like when it's done is a populace intensely distrustful of the current powers, which rises up against those powers in real life and corroborates itself. What it is now is plain and simple, psychological agents provocateur.

keep up if you can, shit is gonna get fucking nasty.