The New World Order

[mancroft]

You are advised to find out more about the The New World Order.

The creation of which is behind so much of what goes on in the world.

Here is Gordon Brown - Saddam was in the way of the New World Order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyelYk-4sYY

Saddam was in the way of the New World Order

[2k6]

Define to me exactly what you consider the "New World Order" to be.

[Rhu]

Define to me exactly what you consider the "New World Order" to be.

It was a revolution in professional wrestling, brother.

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[aphemix]

INTPc is too busy being skeptical and thinking it's intelligent to ever figure any of this shit out.

[Stigmata]

I'm not exactly opposed to the idea that these organizations could exist, my grievance with all this is supposed to be some big powerful organization take over the world,but are you really gonna tell me they have the power for mass control and won't hesitate to remove those who conflict with their plans, but stopping people from uploading video blogs and youtube videos giving the details of the organization is just completely out of their power? Upon further though seems like youtube being one of the biggest sources if not the biggest source for internet media would be on board and immediately block and ban users that are uploading these videos,I mean lets get real here this isn't a like Scooby Doo mystery where the bad guy is toppled by a group of nosy pre teens.

[last_caress]

INTPc is too busy being skeptical and thinking it's intelligent to ever figure any of this shit out.

so, is the new world order in league with the aliens?

[LongSilence]

A Masonic slip of the tongue, miscontrued use of common terminology or indication of Gordy's desire to paint himself as a big deal?


It was a revolution in professional wrestling, brother.


Hell yeah, it was all a Dgeneration from there.

[aphemix]

I'm not exactly opposed to the idea that these organizations could exist, my grievance with all this is supposed to be some big powerful organization take over the world,but are you really gonna tell me they have the power for mass control and won't hesitate to remove those who conflict with their plans, but stopping people from uploading video blogs and youtube videos giving the details of the organization is just completely out of their power? Upon further though seems like youtube being one of the biggest sources if not the biggest source for internet media would be on board and immediately block and ban users that are uploading these videos,I mean lets get real here this isn't a like Scooby Doo mystery where the bad guy is toppled by a group of nosy pre teens.you're supposed to know they exist. You weren't, before, so you didn't, before, but now you are, so you do. This is fairly well documented and investigating the concept of "the externalization of the hierarchy" should help build some understanding. Meanwhile, it will make much more sense when this dastardly institution, at least to some unilaterally observable degree, actually does take over the world, and is then replaced by an alternate agency which purports to counteract it. This can't happen until you care that the world is in the hands of dastardly powers, so, that said, care you will.


so, is the new world order in league with the aliens?yes and no. The existence of aliens is a hoax. However, upon having the existence of aliens be accepted as truth, demons, which are real, can then assume the form of aliens and be contextually welcomed into our affairs. The new world order is in league with demons.

[aphemix]

here, btw, maybe try this and then talk to me.

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Fundamental Laws A Report of the 68th Convocation of the Rose Cross Order.pdf (http://aphemix.com/randomwhat/Fundamental%20Laws%20A%20Report%20of%20the%2068th%20Convocation%20of%20the%20Rose%20Cross%20Order.pdf)

[barrylevon]

I'm not exactly opposed to the idea that these organizations could exist, my grievance with all this is supposed to be some big powerful organization take over the world....

I'm with you for the most part. Though, I could see where a bunch of people labeled as cooks wouldn't pose much of a threat, and would actually be able to serve a purpose in some sense. Still, I remain skeptical.

The other thing is: So what? So some organization is trying to take over the world, and apparently already has (at least behind the scenes). What's the goal? Supposedly they're going to enslave us all. Ooooo, lol, as if we weren't slaves already. All they'd do is lift the illusion. So they way I see it, if the NWO exists (outside of hulkamania), they've already won. Why would they proceed any further? Destroying our illusion might finally wake up the sleeping masses and result in a revolt. In that sense, I'm hoping there's some grand scheme working behind the curtain.

Besides, what are you going to do about it? You can go on trying to convince people, but they either a) don't believe you and think you're crazy, or b) don't fucking care. You're only option is to "wait it out" and possibly get that big moment of "I told you so". Maybe you'll even be able to start some kind of revolution while your'e gloating.

[Lagspike]

The organization which is mostly associated with the NWO (Bilderberg) has no real world power and its capabilities are vastly overestimated.

The issue with NWO is that a group of individuals capable of conducting high-level world control activities can only be formed by a group of highly powerful people. The only reason why anyone of those people would enter such an organization is to enhance his own influence or wealth. Or, he is on a high ranking government position, working for his state's interest (although people who truly do this are quite rare). This means that a conflict of interests is absolutely unavoidable, thus killing any possible working hierarchy or working order of an NWO organization. There needs to be a strong interest to connect the entire world in one whole under the guidance of one ruling force that would override personal interests of any of those included in its top council. Such an interest currently does not exist.

[LongSilence]

See now, what would amaze me most is the dream of people with that much power and influence actually collaborating consistently for so long without egos, ambition and suspicion leading to factions and fallouts. Every unifying managing institution that has lasted some time in history has divided and formed competing entities, whether it be over the details of inspirations, goals, methods, hierarchies, or simply just personal dislikes.

I'd be curious to be informed of what was recognised as a fuck-up made by the Order and discovered by one of the many, many individuals that have spent so much energy trying to reveal their activities.

[kendoiwan]

I'm with you for the most part. Though, I could see where a bunch of people labeled as cooks wouldn't pose much of a threat, and would actually be able to serve a purpose in some sense. Still, I remain skeptical.

The other thing is: So what? So some organization is trying to take over the world, and apparently already has (at least behind the scenes). What's the goal? Supposedly they're going to enslave us all. Ooooo, lol, as if we weren't slaves already. All they'd do is lift the illusion. So they way I see it, if the NWO exists (outside of hulkamania), they've already won. Why would they proceed any further? Destroying our illusion might finally wake up the sleeping masses and result in a revolt. In that sense, I'm hoping there's some grand scheme working behind the curtain.

Besides, what are you going to do about it? You can go on trying to convince people, but they either a) don't believe you and think you're crazy, or b) don't fucking care. You're only option is to "wait it out" and possibly get that big moment of "I told you so". Maybe you'll even be able to start some kind of revolution while your'e gloating.

This.



The issue with NWO is that a group of individuals capable of conducting high-level world control activities can only be formed by a group of highly powerful people. The only reason why anyone of those people would enter such an organization is to enhance his own influence or wealth. Or, he is on a high ranking government position, working for his state's interest (although people who truly do this are quite rare). This means that a conflict of interests is absolutely unavoidable, thus killing any possible working hierarchy or working order of an NWO organization. There needs to be a strong interest to connect the entire world in one whole under the guidance of one ruling force that would override personal interests of any of those included in its top council. Such an interest currently does not exist.

This.


See now, what would amaze me most is the dream of people with that much power and influence actually collaborating consistently for so long without egos, ambition and suspicion leading to factions and fallouts. Every unifying managing institution that has lasted some time in history has divided and formed competing entities, whether it be over the details of inspirations, goals, methods, hierarchies, or simply just personal dislikes.


And this.

[aphemix]

So they way I see it, if the NWO exists (outside of hulkamania), they've already won. Why would they proceed any further? Destroying our illusion might finally wake up the sleeping masses and result in a revolt.I addressed this already. The problem is accentuated so it can then be solved. It makes sense. Feel free to get back to me.


The organization which is mostly associated with the NWO (Bilderberg) has no real world power and its capabilities are vastly overestimated.that's like saying that, because the notion of holographic planes being projected into the WTC in particular is hogwash, the US government, by necessity, could not have been complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Note that I do not mean to assert any truth about the attacks in themselves, merely to make an example to illustrate the broad exclusionism present in your thinking. Personally, I do not subscribe to the idea that the Bilderbergs run the show, just like I do not subscribe to the idea of holographic planes.


See now, what would amaze me most is the dream of people with that much power and influence actually collaborating consistently for so long without egos, ambition and suspicion leading to factions and fallouts.your methods of consideration are fundamentally flawed. So are any others which sound like this, but I'm pointing yours out because they're right in front of me. What you're doing is erecting straw men. In doing so, you provide your considerations as many opportunities as possible to be disqualified. What would be more intelligent is approaching it in reverse, considering all angles, allowing as much data as possible to be revealed. This may be easier to conceptualize by looking at the contrasts between methods of approaching religious claims, as approaches are quite distinct when applied to that field. Just a heads up.

[Lagspike]

that's like saying that, because the notion of holographic planes being projected into the WTC in particular is hogwash, the US government, by necessity, could not have been complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Note that I do not mean to assert any truth about the attacks in themselves, merely to make an example to illustrate the broad exclusionism present in your thinking. Personally, I do not subscribe to the idea that the Bilderbergs run the show, just like I do not subscribe to the idea of holographic planes.


I do not know anything about 9/11 bombings, but I know, for certain, that Bilderberg is a far cry from what the conspiracy theorists believe it is. It's not the most powerful organization in the world. Not even close. The organizations that have the true power, both in strategic and executive manner, are still linked close to the protection of interests of various countries. They aren't hidden, they are in plane sight. CIA, FSB etc. etc.

[aphemix]

I do not know anything about 9/11 bombings, but I know, for certain, that Bilderberg is a far cry from what the conspiracy theorists believe it is. It's not the most powerful organization in the world. Not even close. The organizations that have the true power, both in strategic and executive manner, are still linked close to the protection of interests of various countries. They aren't hidden, they are in plane sight. CIA, FSB etc. etc.you totally missed my point, but that's okay. Maybe somebody else got it. I agree the Bilderbergs are highly sensationalized in a way that is akin to the Wizard of Oz.

[Lagspike]

you totally missed my point, but that's okay. Maybe somebody else got it. I agree the Bilderbergs are highly sensationalized in a way that is akin to the Wizard of Oz.

Yes, it seems that I did miss the point. Although I still stand firmly behind my last 2 sentences. :happpy:

Another reason why a true NWO (one that truly unites the entire world) cannot currently exist is the extreme bi-polarization of the world. But that's for another thread...

[Freeloader]

your methods of consideration are fundamentally flawed. So are any others which sound like this, but I'm pointing yours out because they're right in front of me. What you're doing is erecting straw men. In doing so, you provide your considerations as many opportunities as possible to be disqualified. What would be more intelligent is approaching it in reverse, considering all angles, allowing as much data as possible to be revealed. This may be easier to conceptualize by looking at the contrasts between methods of approaching religious claims, as approaches are quite distinct when applied to that field. Just a heads up.

You really thought you could get away with that bunch of balony? You did not at all explain how the NWO could possibly function with constant internal strife.

[aphemix]

You really thought you could get away with that bunch of balony? You did not at all explain how the NWO could possibly function with constant internal strife.correct! Yet another missed point for the away team. What I was explaining in that very post, in fact, was that, should it remain your responsibility, or mine, or anyone's, to address every conceivable discrepancy before an avenue of inquiry is deemed worth investigating, as you are suggesting I do, all that will ever arise, per potential investigation, is as many disqualifications as possible per avenue of inquiry, which results in only the smallest possible amount of data being made available in all instances. This is essentially the least effective method of determining truth that even exists.

regarding your actual question, just for fun, we have yet to establish this internal strife even exists. Until we do, we are working under faulty premises.

[Freeloader]

regarding your actual question, just for fun, we have yet to establish this internal strife even exists. Until we do, we are working under faulty premises.
I know that you conspirary theorists have a funny way to argue, but we have just been over this. Given that all other large organizations in human history have experienced internal conflict, how has the NWO avoided this?

[barrylevon]

I know that you conspirary theorists have a funny way to argue, but we have just been over this. Given that all other large organizations in human history have experienced internal conflict, how has the NWO avoided this?

Why would it matter if there were internal conflict? So long as there is a common goal I'm sure the differences could be worked out. Besides plenty of groups/organizations have existed and expanded despite internal conflict.

[Freeloader]

Why would it matter if there were internal conflict? So long as there is a common goal I'm sure the differences could be worked out. Besides plenty of groups/organizations have existed and expanded despite internal conflict.

Yes but you would assume that with such internal conflicts, someone at some point would break ranks and talk about the organization to the public. Any dissenters would have enormous leverage, as the NWO requires absolute secrecy to function.

[aphemix]

I know that you conspirary theorists have a funny way to argue, but we have just been over this. Given that all other large organizations in human history have experienced internal conflict, how has the NWO avoided this?sure, okay. That's one question that leaves room for a plethora of possible answers. Some of those answers may add up, some of them may not. I'm with you so far. Don't have any answers for you, but whatever. Here's more, though. What's to say the emergence of internal conflict negates the functionality of the institution as a whole, even if it does exist? Can't answer that one, either. Let's go further than that, though. What is this functionality? What are its terms? By the inclusion of what characteristics does it exist, and by the exclusion of what characteristics is it negated? Still no answers. I mean, I don't have any. Do you?

the point I'm getting at is that more avenues of inquiry continue to present themselves as conclusion is more comprehensively sought. Full elucidation of all of these inquiries is required for a complete understanding of this picture to be made available. What I'm saying is that full elucidation of these inquiries, and thus, by implication, a complete understanding of this picture, by necessity, ultimately eludes comprehension. What you, and every person in this thread who argues from the stance of a skeptic and and an empiricist, for that matter, is saying, even without understanding this implication, is that a more complete understanding of this picture than is even possible is, in no uncertain terms, required, in order for further consideration to even be reasonable. Your very approach is nonsense, and is counterproductive to the discovery of all information.

I presented a few questions in my first paragraph, mainly as examples of the lengths one would need to go to in order to ascertain the validity of his own conclusions on these matters. I encourage you to give a hypothetical answer to any one of these questions, as a thought exercise, and observe the manner in which it negates the ability to consider in any more depth.


Why would it matter if there were internal conflict? So long as there is a common goal I'm sure the differences could be worked out. Besides plenty of groups/organizations have existed and expanded despite internal conflict.
Yes but you would assume that with such internal conflicts, someone at some point would break ranks and talk about the organization to the public. Any dissenters would have enormous leverage, as the NWO requires absolute secrecy to function.I see a few of you have already done this in the time it has taken me to write this post! Awesome. I will nevertheless provide an example.

I asked, "what's to say the emergence of internal conflict negates the functionality of the institution as a whole, even if it does exist?" Say I assume an answer. Doesn't matter what it is. Something simple. "Because that's how it's always worked out in the past," for instance. Presto, I have an answer. Probably the very answer you, yourself, would assume. But what have I done? Have I concluded anything? No. Fuck no. I haven't. I've just succeded at closing off an entire avenue of further inquiry. I've closed off all inquiry into the nature of this functionality; investigation into its characteristics which, when distinctly quantified, may better determine whether it is indeed inhibited from existing as has already been assumed. I did this without even considering that inquiry; I effectively kept myself from even acknowledging that it may pertain, for this assumption I mention has been made by subconscious implication alone. I am receiving less data in this way. This lesser quantity can be measured empirically. I have just mapped it out for you. It adds up. Because that data set is smaller, it is less applicable to the whole of reality than data sets which are larger.

I explain this very plainly. It is complicated, sure, but it is plain. Even still, very few will even consider what I am saying, for the exact reasons of fundamentally flawed thinking I address in this post. Namely, I appear crazy. I appear wrong. Whatever. I appear disqualified, and as a result, less data is able to be received. Maybe you're one of the few lucky enough to suspect I may have a point, or lucky enough to suspect your own disqualification does not guarantee the absence of valid information? Congratulations. I respect you. Truly. But good luck even comprehending what I have said, even assuming that it is true. Your whole head is built on counterproductive mechanisms such as the single one I have made effort to describe. Attempting to determine the absolute nature of reality, even the mere reality of the likelihood your determinations can be trusted to guide you, from a state such as this, is pure foolishness.

why do you think I'm always encouraging motherfuckers to ask me questions?

[Freeloader]

Come on, this is rather simple, there are basically three possibillities here.
The first one is that the NWO does not have internal conflicts. In which case you need to explain why this is, seen as all other larger organizations have experienced this.
The second one is that they indeed have internal conflicts. In which case you need to explain why this hasn't resulted in dissenters revealing the secret about the NWO's existence.
The third possibility is that the NWO just doesn't exist.
So you just gotta pick which one you think it is. No need to seek refuge in all that epistemological BS.

[hapythots]

one possible explanation is that any "problems" are simply ended. eliminate anything that gets in the way, and everything is allowed as long as it furthers the goal. if someone is going to make waves, dead. there are no second chances in group like that. and to ensure security, most members would have no knowledge of other members unless they had to team up or something. so if someone even wanted to let a secret out, they would have no way of knowing if the people they are telling are members. they would not allow it to reach mainstream media, and if the person did manage to tell people online or something, they could easily make the person seem like they went crazy or had a breakdown... suicide or overdose or the person just looses everything and all credibility. with all the people they supposedly control (dr's, judges, military, governments, etc) they could do just about anything. (sorry if any of what i wrote didnt make sense, or was confusing)

[mancroft]

Define to me exactly what you consider the "New World Order" to be.

Communitarian hell.

http://newworldorderuniversity.com/

[aphemix]

Come on, this is rather simple, there are basically three possibillities here.
The first one is that the NWO does not have internal conflicts. In which case you need to explain why this is, seen as all other larger organizations have experienced this.
The second one is that they indeed have internal conflicts. In which case you need to explain why this hasn't resulted in dissenters revealing the secret about the NWO's existence.
The third possibility is that the NWO just doesn't exist.
So you just gotta pick which one you think it is. No need to seek refuge in all that epistemological BS.I'm not seeking refuge. I am already well aware my own perspective is sound, and that no argument will endanger it. You think this exchange is dialectic. It isn't. I'm just telling you things. Perhaps that will help you make sense of my disposition.

nevertheless, I will give you your answer, because I have it. Listen closely. We are talking about secret institutions, secret orders. There are many. Some of them have been popularized; Freemasonry is of course the most glaring example. Each of these orders, however, takes on a similar form. They function as hierarchies, with new initiates, or applicants, at the bottom. Progression in rank occurs only through processes specifically, intelligently designed not only to compromise their participants, rendering them more invested in continued allegiance to the orders than to abandonment of them, but also to program their participants, using psychological and spiritual techniques largely unknown and unexplored by mainstream understanding, which, in progressively greater degrees as rank increases, transforms these applicants into new creatures, in whom the inclination to betray the orders eventually, by design, cannot exist.

are you still with me? Good. Okay, so what we have is hierarchies with ranks. Inclusion into each of these ranks is accompanied by a certain amount of programming, which helps ensure its participants behavior, yes, but only to a certain degree. What that means is they may still defect; there is still the possibility they will turn away. However, in addition to the programming they are imbued, which is proportionate to their rank, participants are also made privy to certain, corresponding bodies of information concerning their role in the order and its nature up to that point of inclusion. What this means is that, should one turn away from the order after being in a particular position previously, he will only have a select amount of information with which to compromise the order as a whole, even if he chooses to.

the real brilliance of this system is in the way that these corresponding bodies of information are administered. For, as long as one is in a position to turn away, the information he is privy to is specifically designed to further the agenda of the order when shared with the public. Alternatively, then, for as long as one is in a position to compromise the order in any significant way, the will to do so has been confirmed to be completely negated, replaced instead with a uniform devotion to the true Great Work of the upper echelons.

I will fill in some blanks here so that you may understand fully, for I know these blanks exist.

perhaps you wonder how sharing the information made available to the lower ranks serves to further the agenda of the orders. I will tell you plainly. These orders are all schools of spirituality. They teach the ways of the mysteries. Magics, metaphysics, unification of philosophies. Soul science. Metaprogramming, precognition, telepathy. All of these things, without exception, incline one further toward the agenda of the orders, and, particularly, predispose one more comprehensively toward interest in the spirit realm. Indeed, included amidst this knowledge, included amidst this predisposition, are the very psychological and spiritual cues, unbeknownst to mainstream understanding, which serve to program the participants of these orders as they advance in rank.

perhaps you wonder, then, how those in the upper ranks are programmed so thoroughly as to negate their ability to turn away from the purposes of the orders. I tell you this plainly as well. Only those with devotions to further advancement that fully eclipse their apprehensions, by the nature of the system itself, are inclined to advance. This devotion is emboldened by greed, perpetuated by lust for power, legitimized and permitted to exist by the willingness to deceive oneself for these ends. This devotion eventually assumes a form which is fully willing, either for reasons of misunderstanding or simply very misguided aim, to permit spirits, which, in reality, are, in all instances, demons, to inhabit and direct the bodies of its practitioners. Upon being indwelt by demons, particularly in a fashion premeditated to be comprehensive and all-encompassing, one's ability to exercise his own will as a human disappears.

so, that said, you ask how it is that these organizations manage not to have internal conflicts? It is simple. They are only separate institutions in corporeal form, here in the world of man. In reality, the strings are not pulled by many entities in miraculous, tight-knit agreement at all, but by one entity, only. But hey, I'll leave it up to you to guess who that fucker is. I mean, as a human, you obviously looooove doing it, and are exceptionally the fuck skilled at doing it, besides.

you may ask, now, how do you know all of these things, Aphemix? Are you an Adept? Are you involved in the Great Work? Certainly not, I tell you. It is as I've been saying the whole time, although largely without context, until now. I discovered what these mystery schools teach, by myself, using nothing but my own intuition, deduction, and perception. By myself, I pioneered what they call soul science. By myself, I pioneered magic, metaphysics, unification of philosophies. Metaprogramming, precognition, telepathy. All of that. It's not all it's cracked up to be in the fairytales, but believe me, I know it. And like I've been saying the whole time, it programmed me. I became something else. I was predisposed toward the agenda of the orders. In fact, it happened right here in plain sight on INTPc, (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=34039) and anyone who cares to sift through how confusing it is can read aaaall about it. But trust me, it happened.

these mystery schools have been around for over 5000 years. From the Atlantis of the antediluvian world did they pass on their secret knowledge of all things, to the religions of ancient Egypt, to the philosophies of Greece, to the empire of Rome, yadda yadda, aaaall the same, all kept alive so carefully through the maintenance of this same hierarchical system through which the integrity of this data and its protective bodies could be preserved throughout the ages, all without any sense of broader perspective of its function. All, specifically, in anticipation of me. The Independent Initiate. The "superman." The Masonic Christ, the New Age Messiah, the Maitreya, the blah blah blah. Generally speaking, anyone who emerges into this position from the outside, heralding, nay, embodying the completion of the Great Work, the laying of the capstone of the pyramid. But specifically, yes. Me.

luckily, I caught but a microcosm of the whole thing, filling in the blanks of the bigger picture with my intuition rather than my experience, and have never, at any point in my journey, sought to establish a connection to the spirits. Luckily, because I was not consumed, I was saved by Christ, which, all things considered, helped put this great wealth of nonsense into perspective for me, not to mention saved my fuckin' life. And now, as would be expected, as has been explained, I see both sides of the Cosmic Coin. I know lots. Just as I reiterate as often as is applicable, I know lots. I am already well aware my own perspective is sound, and that no argument will endanger it. This exchange is not dialectic. I'm just telling you things.

secret powers do pull strings. Would you like to discuss possibilities?

[hapythots]

my beliefs seem to be pretty much the same as aphemix. thats the first time ive ever seen someone else believe that same thing

[stuck]

my beliefs seem to be pretty much the same as aphemix. thats the first time ive ever seen someone else believe that same thing

wait what

[aphemix]

wait whatseconded

[hapythots]

i agreed with aphemix and that was the first time ive ever seen someone else have the same view on this topic

[M.L.Fay]

I don't doubt the ease by which reality is carved into human minds - arising patterns negate individual sentience...so, why ?

[aphemix]

I don't doubt the ease by which reality is carved into human minds - arising patterns negate individual sentience...so, why ?for ease of function, assuming I understand your question.

say I have a task. I craft a tool to help me perform that task. Same general concept, but psychologically. I craft a psychological tool, be it belief, assumption, justification, dismissal, whatever seems to work. I do this seeking to enable myself, seeking to allow my task to be performed.

that said, so rarely does one deviate and construct a sled when he already has a wheel. So rarely does one pioneer an aqueduct when he already has a lake before him. Ingenuity and convenience are enemies. This ingenuity, though, which gives rise to, for example, the vision of a philosopher, the drive of an inventor, is in continuous demand by psychological calibration, and is also, in this form, most purely observed and experienced, allowing what skills are learned, then, to be most naturally applied to other, more tangible crafts. The head basically predisposes everything. Except the spirit, which predisposes the head, but that's a whole different can of worms.

fuck I'm in a spacey mood. Better get it while it lasts.

[M.L.Fay]

for ease of function, assuming I understand your question.

say I have a task. I craft a tool to help me perform that task. Same general concept, but psychologically. I craft a psychological tool, be it belief, assumption, justification, dismissal, whatever seems to work. I do this seeking to enable myself, seeking to allow my task to be performed.

that said, so rarely does one deviate and construct a sled when he already has a wheel. So rarely does one pioneer an aqueduct when he already has a lake before him. Ingenuity and convenience are enemies. This ingenuity, though, which gives rise to, for example, the vision of a philosopher, the drive of an inventor, is in continuous demand by psychological calibration, and is also, in this form, most purely observed and experienced, allowing what skills are learned, then, to be most naturally applied to other, more tangible crafts. The head basically predisposes everything. Except the spirit, which predisposes the head, but that's a whole different can of worms.

fuck I'm in a spacey mood. Better get it while it lasts.

Well, fair enough, but how do you contrast function and aesthetics ? I get function, and I perceive it in structures, but I also perceive aesthetics and that leads me to wonder why I perceive it. What does it relate to in the design. "Function" doesn't interest me much.

I think probably, my question relates to your "spirit".

I am being vague, because I can relate to most of the principles and dynamics you allude to in your posts (those that I've read) - but I think our paths diverge at a certain degree of complexity at which things seem to get fuzzy for me, whilst they seem to become absolute, coherent to you - so I am assuming my post essentially aims at gauging that difference...

[kendoiwan]

For me it boils down to these to points: "How do you know?" and "So what?" I'm familiar with all of the claims you make here. All of which you are entitled to believe or not. However, unless you are a member of said New World Order, anything you know about it is second hand information. Somebody somewhere told you about it. How do they know? Why are they telling you? And so on down the line.

Once you sort through this chain of hand me down knowledge, if you accept the bare assertion that it is all "true" the question becomes what are you to do about it? Stockpile perishable goods in hopes of what exactly? Fail. Ranting about what you "know" in hopes of converting people so that they may join your witch hunt revolution. Huge waste of time and energy at best, you're no different from that which you claim to oppose at worse.

Furthermore say it's all "true" and "we" do nothing, then what? How will things be any different than they are now? If it's all "true", the New World Order isn't all that "new", and has been at it for quite some time now. What exactly is the hold up? After all they control everything and there is no opposition.

[aphemix]

For me it boils down to these to points: "How do you know?" and "So what?" I'm familiar with all of the claims you make here. All of which you are entitled to believe or not. However, unless you are a member of said New World Order, anything you know about it is second hand information. Somebody somewhere told you about it. How do they know? Why are they telling you? And so on down the line.I don't think you understand. Much of what I know occurred to me idiopathically. Spontaneously. Without being taught. I then investigated, and, in comparing new information against that which I already possessed, determined these mystery schools were teaching the same things I taught myself, much, much later. Because I know where following this path leads, even now, I surmise the rest. I have never been initiated into one of these orders, and I have not investigated how their hierarchies work. I just know how they work. There is no second-hand information involved.


Once you sort through this chain of hand me down knowledge, if you accept the bare assertion that it is all "true" the question becomes what are you to do about it? Stockpile perishable goods in hopes of what exactly? Fail. Ranting about what you "know" in hopes of converting people so that they may join your witch hunt revolution. Huge waste of time and energy at best, you're no different from that which you claim to oppose at worse.what I'm going to do about it is of no concern to secular skeptics. It has no place here. What I can demonstrate, however, to any audience, is that my body of information is comprehensive, and that I know lots. Should this incline you in any way to abandon your position, maybe then I proceed. Maybe then it comes up. Not now. I have no ear.


Furthermore say it's all "true" and "we" do nothing, then what? How will things be any different than they are now? If it's all "true", the New World Order isn't all that "new", and has been at it for quite some time now. What exactly is the hold up? After all they control everything and there is no opposition.well, it's coming. I'm sure it won't be long now. Maybe just wait and see, and take notes. You're right. What else can you do?

[kendoiwan]

So in short you are the second coming and the rapture is upon us. :worthy:

[aphemix]

So in short you are the second coming and the rapture is upon us. :worthy:no, no, not yet. But you might want to look into it.

[last_caress]

So in short you are the second coming and the rapture is upon us. :worthy:

no dude I think it already happened.

http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/rapture-oct-28-19921.jpg
http://www.fooqu.com/files/2009/01/marcelino-de-jesus-martinez.jpg

[kendoiwan]

John 3:20 "And The Lord spake to me thus 'there is a cabal of me that doith things in secret. They seekth to conspire and plot to usurp the order which I have established. They wishth to create a new order.'"

[barrylevon]

I don't think you understand. Much of what I know occurred to me idiopathically. Spontaneously. Without being taught. I then investigated, and, in comparing new information against that which I already possessed, determined these mystery schools were teaching the same things I taught myself, much, much later. Because I know where following this path leads, even now, I surmise the rest. I have never been initiated into one of these orders, and I have not investigated how their hierarchies work. I just know how they work. There is no second-hand information involved.


Is it wrong that I saw your answer coming?


what I'm going to do about it is of no concern to secular skeptics. It has no place here. What I can demonstrate, however, to any audience, is that my body of information is comprehensive, and that I know lots. Should this incline you in any way to abandon your position, maybe then I proceed. Maybe then it comes up. Not now. I have no ear.

I'll bite. What are you going to do about it?

[aphemix]

I'll bite. What are you going to do about it?well, you're asking what I'm going to do when shit hits the fan and hard times occur. What I am primarily going to do is something personal, between me and God. I'm gonna do what I can to cover my own ass. That's all I really meant. The question I was asked supposed hopelessness; supposed my understandings were futile in light of inevitable events. I don't feel hopeless or futile about it at all. I don't mean to preach about it, but if you're ever interested, you can feel free to get in touch with me and I'm sure I'll have lots to say about it just like I do everything else.

what I may also do is perform some function as things go down, which I believe to be a plausible thing to consider specifically due to the position I'm in and the responsibility it seems to confer upon me. From my vantage point it is very hard to imagine God would prefer I simply do nothing, but I'm trying to just keep my eyes open more than anything, as I don't fully understand what that preference means. I suspect I may be prompted to undertake a mission in which ministry and prophecy both play a part, but who knows. Maybe my job is just to get my ass whooped really hard until I figure out something more realistic to do with myself.

it ain't easy being this loopy.

[starjots]

It would be reassuring in a strange way if a small, secret and sinister force was pulling the strings of all. Then we could stop them if everyone just woke up to their existence!

Its a classic theme in literature - in the Lord of the Rings, all evil in concentrated in Sauron and his creation, the One Ring. Throw the ring into Mount Doom and roll the credits, we all get to live happily ever after. Hell, its probably a good story to believe in, at least it drives us to look for solutions to problems.

This view of reality strikes me as an upside down iceberg, 90% in view and 10% hidden from view (and sinister). It is just too simplistic to be true IMO. The truth is probably far stranger.

Obvious Caveat: I don't doubt for a minute that a lot of people are plotting to steal from me, control me, kill me etc. I just don't thing they are working together.

Actually, on further consideration it would be advantageous in an evolutionary sense to band together in secret for competitive advantage. There would be countervailing forces however in the open for for the same reasons however - example: Mafia and the FBI.

[socrateez]

Controlling the masses isnt new. You don't have to control them all. Just some and they will do the rest. Propaganda one of the chief instruments of this. Remember kiddies its called social science, not theory. There is much theory on this however. Machiavelli knew the rules of the game concerning this. Control the information received and you control the thoughts of others.

I'm going to assume for a moment there is a NWO and that there can be internal strive. Not that there is, just the possibility. First thing I would assume is that it would be pretty damn difficult to get in and I suspect few potential initiates would even know what to look for. Invitation only. Then I would assume these intellectual psychopaths must also see their tools as threats potentially and therefore take action to cover ones ass before admitting someone. Persons in this "club" wouldnt be able to get out...alive.
Hell, some have surmised JFK was shot for trying to reveal that there were men behind the curtain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

Sheeple.

[2k6]

To aphemix. If you mean everything you said, than you must also believe that everyone who is not grounded in the Bible will accept this new world order. Not only will they accept it; they will worship the leader of it and despise those who oppose. That means that a lot of the people who now promote ideas of a new world order will be included. Because I would say there are more people who promote ideas about a new world order that are not saved than those who are; and that a lot of the things claimed by supporters of it are simply not true.

[SeriousJoker]

There are major global elites who are responsible for controlling much of the world, but I reject the notion that there is any real "plan" for what "they" are doing.

[aphemix]

To aphemix. If you mean everything you said, than you must also believe that everyone who is not grounded in the Bible will accept this new world order. Not only will they accept it; they will worship the leader of it and despise those who oppose. That means that a lot of the people who now promote ideas of a new world order will be included. Because I would say there are more people who promote ideas about a new world order that are not saved than those who are; and that a lot of the things claimed by supporters of it are simply not true.yes. I do believe this. I believe much of this hype against the system is just part of the plan. A grand psychological operation, basically. And that much of it ultimately means nothing concerning who will be suckered and who will not. I do not consider proponents of conspiracy theories to be particularly intelligent or fortunate in comparison to the average person in this regard. I also know much of this dissenting information that is popularized to be false, misleading, and even specifically conducive to nefarious ends in some instances.

nevertheless, I try to speak what I know to be true where I expect receptive ears to develop. Because some of this fringe nonsense is actually true, and is, in fact, intended to be revealed as truth where it was previously hidden, arguing its case, with what basis is already plainly observable, sometimes allows me a head start in encouraging audiences to consider information opposite their initial assumptions, which I can then continue utilizing to make arguments beyond the scope of conspiracy fluff.

[mgb]

wait what

This thread is funny because Rhu's stab at a joke is actually the sanest post in the thread.

It reminds me about a chat I had with my grandmother, who doesn't use the internet at all. She was just so happy that there was finally an instrument so that people could easily and readily access mountains of information and communicate with each other so much more effectively. She was quite sure it was going to make the world a better place. She probably shouldn't know about discussions like this.

[Puddles]

There are major global elites who are responsible for controlling much of the world, but I reject the notion that there is any real "plan" for what "they" are doing.

There probably is a real plan and it's probably summed up in 5 word: steal money and consolidate power.

Between the glut of gigantic multinational corporations and our ever expanding government, it's not difficult to believe that their are some key organizations involved in some very disturbing things.

I really don't think much of this is hidden if someone cares to do a little research.

Unfortunately most people are either apathetic or too unintelligent to care.

Anyone ever hear of Monsanto? Pure evil.

[socrateez]

There probably is a real plan and it's probably summed up in 5 word: steal money and consolidate power.

Between the glut of gigantic multinational corporations and our ever expanding government, it's not difficult to believe that their are some key organizations involved in some very disturbing things.

I really don't think much of this is hidden if someone cares to do a little research.

Unfortunately most people are either apathetic or too unintelligent to care.

Anyone ever hear of Monsanto? Pure evil.
Exactly.
Most find what is not readily evident to the senses is beyond belief. How many Jews stayed in Germany while those who knew better left?

I don't think there is a single entity controlling the show. Yet.

Monsanto among others.
A documentary titled "The Corporation" Examines corporate entities through the psychologists lens...and finds them to be sociopaths. So if the largest organizations in the world, who enjoy the same rights a living person are psychos, then whats to stop them from domination? No conscience, no guilt, no regret. Combine that with the psychos who naturally designed such systems and you have very powerful tools to wield. No reason not to.

[Will2009]

This thread is funny because Rhu's stab at a joke is actually the sanest post in the thread.

Heh. It's funny because it's true.

[/Homer]

[Puddles]

Exactly.
Most find what is not readily evident to the senses is beyond belief. How many Jews stayed in Germany while those who knew better left?

I don't think there is a single entity controlling the show. Yet.

Monsanto among others.
A documentary titled "The Corporation" Examines corporate entities through the psychologists lens...and finds them to be sociopaths. So if the largest organizations in the world, who enjoy the same rights a living person are psychos, then whats to stop them from domination? No conscience, no guilt, no regret. Combine that with the psychos who naturally designed such systems and you have very powerful tools to wield. No reason not to.

I don't think there is a single entity controlling the show. Rather a bunch of large psychopathic organizations with a lot of power that do whatever the hell the want to, mostly in plain daylight. I would also wager that these psychopathic organiztions don't enjoy the same rights as a living person, they enjoy far more. I wish I could remember the last time I got away with stealing billions of dollars or having laws changed to directly benefit me.

The only reason I brought up Monsanto was to illustrate one such corporation, a corporation which basically controls a commodity we cannot live without. If someone wanted to control us, controlling food is a great way to do it. You can't eat dollar bills or gold bullion.

[kendoiwan]

You can't eat dollar bills or gold bullion.

:yes:

[Roger Mexico]

Yes but you would assume that with such internal conflicts, someone at some point would break ranks and talk about the organization to the public. Any dissenters would have enormous leverage, as the NWO requires absolute secrecy to function.

You know, in theory the answer to this could be as simple as the dissidents wanting something that they would also deny themselves by spilling the beans. Disclosure wouldn't be much of a credible threat under these circumstances, and so it wouldn't actually be worth much in the way of leverage,and in turn would become less likely. Like Aphemix said, presumably said dissidents got to be in a position to have something to reveal because they want something like the power the ruling faction enjoys through all the secrecy.

Your idea seems to hold mainly if we assume the dissent stems from a crisis of conscience, a desire to come clean. What if they just want a bigger slice of pie?

Just sayin'

P.S. I remember my 10th grade history teacher telling us about the phrase "new world order" in the context of Nixon's negotiations with the Chinese,... and then asking us what it had to do with professional wrestling. (This was 1998, IIRC)

[socrateez]

Your idea seems to hold mainly if we assume the dissent stems from a crisis of conscience, a desire to come clean. What if they just want a bigger slice of pie?

I agree conscience would be the least likely motivator. I would think personal gain would be the prime motivator among "Elites" wanting to expose a conspiracy they are involved in. That also jeopardizes the conspiracy the greedy individual desires. So by exposing the conspiracy nothing is gained. I think they would have pretty closed ranks.

Modern Gangs and such criminal groups and enterprises arent all that different really. When a gang closes ranks and allows no new members the only pressure is from law enforcement. A NWO group of elites don't have that sort of pressure.

If some of what ive read is remotely based in fact then one of the prime motivators for the worlds richest and most powerful people is to live forever through technological means. This is exemplified in numerous disaster themed movies where some rich ass tries to buy his way to life or freedom. Immortality may not be all that far away. Being cut in on that, or say a seat in a bunker when a planned house cleaning of earth is implemented, would be huge in assuring secrecy.

[gregkdc]

Furthermore say it's all "true" and "we" do nothing, then what? How will things be any different than they are now? If it's all "true", the New World Order isn't all that "new", and has been at it for quite some time now. What exactly is the hold up? After all they control everything and there is no opposition.

The problem is that now technology has made the common person obsolete. That is why the vision of the future has shifted from space exploration and colonizing other planets, to earth worship and depopulation. They want it for themselves while utilizing robotics and computers to fill the niche humanity has traditional filled.

[jon54321]

My 2c on the whole NWO thing. Whats so "new" about it?

Surely since the dawn of time elites have conspired against the less powerful?

All of the tyrannical, controlling elements of the so called NWO are shared by the current order or the "Old World Order".

[socrateez]

My 2c on the whole NWO thing. Whats so "new" about it?

Surely since the dawn of time elites have conspired against the less powerful?

All of the tyrannical, controlling elements of the so called NWO are shared by the current order or the "Old World Order". Exactly! The only real difference is the scale and sophistication of the control methods. Be it tyrannical dictators, or intellectual eugenicists, they will always exist and try to supplant whatever order exists .

Even if a small group of elites unite the earth and usher in a new age of slavery to serve them, somewhere a challenger will rise.

[Chunes]

I am fairly convinced that much of what people consider malicious harm by powerful elites is actually the hum-drum of efficiency necessary to sustain our astronomical population.

[bugsydakid]

...thinks that it exists as a complete metaphor for the corporation in the modern post industrial world, unless I stand corrected.

[JollyBard]

I bet climate changes are mostly natural and that CO2 has less effect than they make us believe. Al Gore started this bullshit and made it a kind of religion. Because that's what environmentalism is: a religion.

And then he'll make a New World Order using this dogma.

[socrateez]

Interesting link to conspiracy theories that turned out to be true:
http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html
Some are well known and documented. So how is it that people find it hard to believe that powerful ultra-wealthy people could conspire to create the world in their image?

[Freeloader]

Interesting link to conspiracy theories that turned out to be true:
http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html
Some are well known and documented. So how is it that people find it hard to believe that powerful ultra-wealthy people could conspire to create the world in their image?

Because none of those examples is in any ways as big as the absolute huge scale the New World Order would have to be to control as much as it is alledged to have. I mean the New World Order is like a million times more comprehensive than any of those conspiracies on that list.

[Yosako]

The only reason I brought up Monsanto was to illustrate one such corporation, a corporation which basically controls a commodity we cannot live without. If someone wanted to control us, controlling food is a great way to do it. You can't eat dollar bills or gold bullion.
But you can always bash the company & help short sellers on their cash raids whenever you find an opportunity to screw 'em a little :devil: :frypan:.

[Harion]

Given that all other large organizations in human history have experienced internal conflict, how has the NWO avoided this?
maybe because they're not large enough? a group with only 8 people directing things seems small. also, we can theorize that NWO is really only controlled by one person. Dissent isn't allowed. You disobey, you die. Every other leaks that can't be proved can be left as crazy talk by kooks.

...thinks that it exists as a complete metaphor for the corporation in the modern post industrial world, unless I stand corrected.
you may be right more than you know. the bailout is the biggest scam of this century.

and i wonder why no one asked this. isn't the G8 and the G20 already the NWO?

to those asking what the motivation for people in NWO would be
well, it can also be varied aside from money and power

some of them may just be psychopaths or megalomaniacs, you know, power for power's sake
or pushing personal agendas or causes too dificult to push without power beyond that even of world leaders

personally, if I had that much power, I'd use it to push for a moneyless society
it's the only logical reason for forming an organization such as NWO

[socrateez]

I think the same thing about the bailout. Just like the depression, banks are gobbling up property and businesses. To top it all off, this time they are using our money in the form of this bailout to do it. They set the stage and we handed them the money.

I also think those at the top can't be numerous as well. A conspiracy to control the world wouldnt require every person below them to know the agenda. Just follow like good little puppets.
I think these people affect humanity by directing social energies on a large scale through influence of industry, politik, or even philanthropy. Be it a mob or a nation, once that critical mass is reached where individuality breaks down and the human organism emerges, individual thought doesnt really matter. Like sheep, this collective is easily led or misled.

[guccimane]

yes the NWO is very real. In fact it is so powerful that there are 2 men at the top that control most all world economies and governments. They work both communists and democracies. Learned this from a certain book. Its true.

[mysterious one]

to aphemix, there seems to be truth all throughout things you say. I am a christian who has discovered a lot. Since the devil got reign over the earth, that explains all the demonic activity seeming to populate this world. Even martial arts seem like evils involved. And im well aware of the power of stress and such if u get my drift. Any advice? R u Bible based and HOLY BIBLE kjv or niv? Thanks.

[JollyBard]

to aphemix, there seems to be truth all throughout things you say. I am a christian who has discovered a lot. Since the devil got reign over the earth, that explains all the demonic activity seeming to populate this world. Even martial arts seem like evils involved. And im well aware of the power of stress and such if u get my drift. Any advice? R u Bible based and HOLY BIBLE kjv or niv? Thanks.

Wow. I can't believe this.

[stuck]

You know, the reason these threads exist like this on the internet is so that the NWO can round all of us who are aware of the TRUTH into one place for easy tracking-> eventual extermination. I thought INTPs would be smarter than this. Proxy? FUCK YO PROXY they got soul radar/

[socrateez]

You know, the reason these threads exist like this on the internet is so that the NWO can round all of us who are aware of the TRUTH into one place for easy tracking-> eventual extermination. I thought INTPs would be smarter than this. Proxy? FUCK YO PROXY they got soul radar/if there are indeed such lists, i would already be on one. Anyone with a criminal record or history of mental illness can be denied rights now. So why wouldnt they at least threaten to round these people up at some point if the situation demands. Many dictators have done as much already. Almost everyone could be put on a list for something.
Hypothetically speaking, the first persons to eliminate are potential leaders and armed groups. Prior to the OK city bombing most militias were viewed as patriotic entities. You could say potential points of rally for insurgents of the domestic variety. Any remotely separatist or constitutional fundamentalist groups are targeted now. I'm not sure how the Amish survive. lol
A big element of Orwells writing was the manipulation of language to control thought. You see examples of this today. If a word or phrase should take on negative qualities, it is changed to something else. The master, George Carlin, pointed this out often.
My theorizing about the hypothetical structure at the top is this: I believe self similarity exists at every level and in all things. From the spiral to the structures of crystals. That being said, what is the predominant power structure of the known most powerful corporate entities? This is what we are discussing, fascism.
So perhaps the top echelons are much like a board of directors with CEO's and other levels of management to control the working minions. Why couldnt it be something as simple as that? Conspirators would find that structure comfortable to operate from.

Not proof of anything, but any history buffs recognize these symbols displayed in our congress and what they represent? They werent always there either.
http://www.awakentothetruth.com/IMAGES/a17congress_fasces.jpg
food for thought.

[stuck]

YES YES crystalline fascism! hahaha!

And the fasces, I know the illuminati liars say those are a symbol of 'republicanism,' upon which the american republic was modeled well before anything such as 20th century fascism existed, but I believe that it was the american republic that in fact became the standard bearer of the fascist symbology which was then solemnly handed to the mid 20th century fascist states in a bid to pretend that a world war was taking place to 'clear the stage' for the antichrist, barrack hussein obama.

wake up people

[socrateez]

How does this symbol differ from the ones in congress?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQTMW57DfJUWLmcdV9ALxhV2kutWO8vrpo5EC-r8XnltwK9cg&t=1&usg=__aINEc27ZDgAFFdAsWdfgTiSAJ1o=
What about this one:
http://drkatesview.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dime.jpg
Italian flag:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIZC9QAzafV7FyO-oIIWy2q6cQIKR4yT-JroklKLO0VlQQ_v0&t=1&usg=__1c1IjBxWewHCflpnJRcros0V9Hs=
Many others are to be had. France even uses the symbol for its republic. The word fascism brings up a slew of imagery like this. Why on earth would anyone want their national symbols to be associated with fascism or the Roman Imperialist Republic?

[aphemix]

interesting to see that symbolism on the Nazi stamps. I don't know what it means, but it reminds me of this:


The word dollar came to America from Germany. The word dollar is derived from the German taler. The name taler was first given to silver coins made in 1519. This metal was mined in Joachimsthal (Joachim's valley, or thaler), in what was then Bohemia. The obverse of one thaler showed the crucified Christ. On the reverse was the image of a serpent, hanging from a cross. Near the serpent's head are the two letters NU and on the other side of the cross, the number 21. This is a reference to Numbers, Chapter 21, of the bible. In this Chapter, we will learn of the people of Israel who began to speak against God because of their tribulations and because they feared that they would die in the wilderness. As punishment, God sent against them fiery serpents. These bit many of the Israelites, as a result of which a number died. The people of Israel recognized their sin and begged for forgiveness. God instructed Moses to make a fiery serpent and set it upon a pole. Thereafter, anyone who looked upon that image would be cured. Moses did as he was ordered and raised a brazen serpent on a pole; all those who gazed upon it lived. It is this healing metal serpent that is shown on the reverse of the thaler. In this image, the pole has become a cross, as the artist wished to draw a parallel between the magical healing power of this brass serpent and the healing power of Christ, who hung upon the cross. It is this origin that has led some historians to claim that the thaler image of the serpent-cross is the origin of the dollar sign.


from The Secret Symbols of The Dollar Bill, by David Ovasonhttp://aphemix.com/randomwhat/snake1.jpg

http://aphemix.com/randomwhat/snake2.jpg

http://aphemix.com/randomwhat/snake3.jpg

[MacGuffin]

How does this symbol differ from the ones in congress?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQTMW57DfJUWLmcdV9ALxhV2kutWO8vrpo5EC-r8XnltwK9cg&t=1&usg=__aINEc27ZDgAFFdAsWdfgTiSAJ1o=
What about this one:
http://drkatesview.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dime.jpg
Italian flag:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIZC9QAzafV7FyO-oIIWy2q6cQIKR4yT-JroklKLO0VlQQ_v0&t=1&usg=__1c1IjBxWewHCflpnJRcros0V9Hs=
Many others are to be had. France even uses the symbol for its republic. The word fascism brings up a slew of imagery like this. Why on earth would anyone want their national symbols to be associated with fascism or the Roman Imperialist Republic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

[oxyjen]

I read a book when I was a kid that said the New World Order was trying to get kids hooked on drugs through subliminal messages in Mighty Mouse cartoons.

[stuck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

Hey, MacGoebbels, take that communitarian website and shove it!

I did it with more style anyway.

[MacGuffin]

Hey, MacGoebbels, take that communitarian website and shove it!

I did it with more style anyway.

But did you learn Abe Lincoln was a blackshirt like I did???


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjRyelb3JxI/AAAAAAAAA5M/z45PDoZzlZE/s320/Abraham+Lincoln+Statue.jpg

[stuck]

What's he holding in his left hand?

[MacGuffin]

What's he holding in his left hand?

A scroll with "JFK" written on it.

[aphemix]

But did you learn Abe Lincoln was a blackshirt like I did???

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjRyelb3JxI/AAAAAAAAA5M/z45PDoZzlZE/s320/Abraham+Lincoln+Statue.jpg
“Riddles In Stone: Secret Architecture of Washington, D.C.”, will continue to explore the fascinating history behind the origins and focus of the world’s most powerful nation: America. Why was this nation founded? How was the precise location of Washington, D.C., determined? What is the meaning of the seemingly countless occult images in our nation’s capitol? Volume II zeroes in on the Masonic & Rosicrucian influence so prevalent amongst our Founding Fathers as they planned, and began to implement, the layout of America’s Capitol. For years, extreme controversy has abounded as to the exact meaning of the occult symbols found within the street layout, the buildings, and the monuments of Washington, D.C. Is there really an inverted Pentagram formed by the street layout just north of the White House? We have discovered the esoteric reason why this Pentagram is missing one segment. Was this city laid out to reflect the vision of a Masonic Christ foreseen by Sir Francis Bacon? Is it true that America’s capitol was laid out “according to the stars”, i.e., in the astrological shapes of certain planets and stars so revered by occultists? Why did our Masonic Founding Fathers perform “Corn, Wine, and Oil” ceremonies at cornerstone layings and at the dedication of the finished structure? Does this occult “wisdom” represent the interests of America, or a hidden agenda? As with Volume I, this “Secret Mysteries” series will continue to explore current — and possibly future — events by examining America’s past. What can these realities mean for the unfolding destiny of America and the world? Now you will know that, when President Bush said he was fulfilling the “Ancient Hope” of the “New Order of the Ages” (as we show in Volume I), he was merely acting out the plan reflected in the street layout and in the architecture of Washington, D.C.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InP6dkY5gMo&feature=PlayList&p=EF54806BEB046A7F&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1

[barrylevon]

What's he holding in his left hand?

Nothing, his thumb is extended, as the emperor ready to decide the fate of the gladiator. It appears that it is slanted slightly downward, ready to call for death. Death to the union, and the free peoples. So, in that sense, he holds our fate in his left hand. The left hand is also the side of liberalism, he calls for the death of social liberties. His right foot is slightly forward, advancing the agenda of the facsist republicans.

[MacGuffin]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/Lost%20Symbol%20cover.jpg

[JollyBard]

Nothing, his thumb is extended, as the emperor ready to decide the fate of the gladiator. It appears that it is slanted slightly downward, ready to call for death. Death to the union, and the free peoples. So, in that sense, he holds our fate in his left hand. The left hand is also the side of liberalism, he calls for the death of social liberties. His right foot is slightly forward, advancing the agenda of the facsist republicans.

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[socrateez]

I thought perhaps he's palming a fat hootie. lol
I forgot about the fascia on the Lincoln memorial!
Interesting point in that article is that the axe heads were generally removed before entering the city. The city was also the center of political power. Anyway, the only times the axe heads were left intact was when a emergency or dictator was declared indicating that real power no longer rested with the peoples representatives.
If the symbolism used in our country is not fascist but hearkens to Roman origins of the Republic, what does it say today? I would think the same meanings hold true today given the locations for these symbols. the lincoln memorial has the heads removed which is proper in our capital if the symbolism holds true today.
Now, the heads are intact in our Congress. Does this signify an emergency or that power no longer rests with the represented but is concentrated elsewhere? It is a symbol of power and authority so i would venture to say that werever that symbol is used, its a reminder.