Would you date a "benefatctor" or a "supervisée"?

[Frederico Rogeiro]

I was looking at a chart here intitled "Complete relationship chart between psychological ("personality") types" (http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm) and I found something interesting.

There are two girls that grab my interest and I'm somewhat indecise about what I should do. Coincidence or not, they have the two only types that have a so called "assymetrical" relationship with INTP: the ISTJ is the INTP's "benefactor", and the ESTJ is the INTP's "supervisée".

What do you think about this? :mellow:

[Resonance]

I think you are in for a learning experience. I think you should try to date both of them at the same time, so as to maximize the efficiency with which you discover why this was an entirely bad idea.

[John Freegman]

From the little I've learned about socionics, I believe their types aren't aligned with what we're accustomed to. So unless you're aware of the differences, that chart is pretty useless.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

Blairvoyant, I would know it was a bad ideia when they found out. :p

John, I was surprised with this chart, and I don't know what differences there are between it's concept and others that are most common. I assumed that for who did it each type is the type we know.
I'm still trying to "test" it in my own experiences and observation. Is quite true that I feel the ESTJ as supervisée, even if I don´t want to.

[Resonance]

Socionics types are usually the same as your MBTI type to within one function or so.


Frederico - that is true. ISTJ and ESTJ are not often fond of open relationships. But if you play your cards in the right order, the issue of them finding out about each other will never exist because you will never actually be dating both of them at the same time. You only need to try. I am sure one of them will show you why they are a poor match very quickly.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

Humm, just one of them?
You seem to know who of them, Blairvoyant! :huh:

[Resonance]

If you're lucky? both.

[Rincon]

xSTJs...

*shudder*

[C.J.Woolf]

What Rincon said. Hell, it's a bad idea to date xSTJs separately. I like Blair's idea; dating both at once will accelerate the inevitable breakup(s) and waste less time.

[Delilah]

the ISTJ is the INTP's "benefactor", and the ESTJ is the INTP's "supervisée".

What do you think about this? :mellow:

I think it is hilarious and describes the relationships pretty well.

Until we have had enough and stage a coup.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

So, no one believes that any of the possibilities can succed... ho hell :(

[Ace_]

I think that Socionics relationship calculator is crap.

INTPs usually go well with ENFJs, INFJs, ENTPs and other INTPs. Intutitives understand other intuitives better. Opposites don't attract in MBTI.

Also MBTI type is only one of the many factors involved.

Also, be aware that you're asking for relationship advice on a forum. + this forum has a lot of members whose last sight of pussy was when they were being pulled out of it by the doctor.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

You probably came here just to say that pussy line. That was very intellectual, Ace. :p

[Resonance]

I think that Socionics relationship calculator is crap.

INTPs usually go well with ENFJs, INFJs, ENTPs and other INTPs. Intutitives understand other intuitives better. Opposites don't attract in MBTI.

Also MBTI type is only one of the many factors involved.

Also, be aware that you're asking for relationship advice on a forum. + this forum has a lot of members whose last sight of pussy was when they were being pulled out of it by the doctor.
you've chosen a very poor sample against which to test this line.

[sandwich]

I thought this was going to be a thread about sugar daddies/mamas.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

That would be a nice ending, Sandwich! :p

[starla]

I quite like ISTJs. I think I've dated one and it was one of my better relationships.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

Starla, I'm affraid to ask... Are those his/her bones? :gm:
If you say yes, that was indeed a great relashionship!

[gator]

I get along really well with ISTJs as well. I've had some really close friendships with a couple. The key though seemed to be sharing common activities and experiences and doing things together because otherwise the conversation just dies and we grow apart.

[fduniho]

I was looking at a chart here intitled "Complete relationship chart between psychological ("personality") types" (http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm) and I found something interesting.

There are two girls that grab my interest and I'm somewhat indecise about what I should do. Coincidence or not, they have the two only types that have a so called "assymetrical" relationship with INTP: the ISTJ is the INTP's "benefactor", and the ESTJ is the INTP's "supervisée".


In Socionics, the p/j distinction refers to which type of function is dominant, whereas the P/J distinction in the MBTI does not mean this. Because of the difference in meaning between Socionics p/j and MBTI P/J, the Socionics INTj is the Myers-Briggs INTP. Likewise, for all introverts, you should switch p with J and j with P. For extraverts, Socionics and MBTI letters match up. There is some B.S. on the Socionics site about Myers-Briggs theory being contradictory, leading them to deny what I am telling you, but the Socionics criticism of Myers-Briggs theory is misguided, and what I'm telling you is true.

So, with this mind, the INTP's supervisor should be the ESTP, and the INTP's benefactor should be the INFJ. In my case, my brother's type (ESTP) and my father's type (INFJ). In his later years, my father, who I believe was ignorant of Socionics, as I was at the time, came to believe that the best marriage choice for him would be an INTP. In Please Understand Me, Keirsey recommends the ENFJ for the INTP, because they are alike on N, the most important preference to share for compatibility, and they complement each other on the other three. But he admits that this much specificity is speculation, and he mainly recommends that NTs will be happiest with NFs, though he also acknowledges that any type can be happy with any type, depending on the people involved.

[Resonance]

In Socionics, the p/j distinction refers to which type of function is dominant, whereas the P/J distinction in the MBTI does not mean this. Because of the difference in meaning between Socionics p/j and MBTI P/J, the Socionics INTj is the Myers-Briggs INTP. Likewise, for all introverts, you should switch p with J and j with P. For extraverts, Socionics and MBTI letters match up.
That is incorrect. The type and function descriptions are arranged so that someone who is INTP in MBTI will be roughly INTp in socionics, ISTJ=ISTj etc. however the archetypes will hexadecasect the population differently no matter what.

The MBTI-style notation is not even standard; it's provided only as a point of reference. We are actually talking about ILI in a relationship with LSI and LSE.

There is more than one 'socionics site' and not all of them agree on certain details; some make much more outlandish claims than others.

[fduniho]

That is incorrect. The type and function descriptions are arranged so that someone who is INTP in MBTI will be roughly INTp in socionics, ISTJ=ISTj etc.

Sorry, you are incorrect. The Socionics people get it wrong too, because they misunderstand MBTI theory. Instead of repeating myself, I will refer you to this issue in my DDLI FAQ (http://duniho.heliohost.org/ddli/faq.html). Just page down to the section titled Theory.

[fripping]

op: no.

[Resonance]

Sorry, you are incorrect. The Socionics people get it wrong too, because they misunderstand MBTI theory. Instead of repeating myself, I will refer you to this issue in my DDLI FAQ (http://duniho.heliohost.org/ddli/faq.html). Just page down to the section titled Theory.
I thought socionics wasn't based on MBTI?

[echoes]

I know your talking about sensors but as far as supervisors go I've always loved being under the thumb of a ENTJ/INTJ. I'm a headstrong little bitch that needs kept in line. Seriously, It's so amazing when someone really lays down the law and you just know their right. The great thing is that with the NT they at least see where you are coming from and will take your advice into consideration before laying down teh law.

[Frederico Rogeiro]

Fduniho, I had now idea about that. Thanks for your enlightment.
So, in the chart I am a INTj... and they are ISTp and ESTj.
Seeing like that, I am the benefactor of whom I thought it was my benefactor. (I thought she looked at me like she wants to kill me because I don't receive what she has to give, but then is because I don't give her what she wants!... Selfish girl!)
And the relationship type with the ESTj is not supervision but "illusionary". I still feel and have the experience to feel supervisor of ESTJ's, but the truth is I'm a INTP very close to be a INTJ.

[fduniho]

I thought socionics wasn't based on MBTI?

Both Socionics and MBTI are based on Jung, and Jung is the key to translating between them.