Antropodicee

[Anti__F]

Evil serves the good.
We should be glad there are murderers and rapers.
Things we see as evil are extremes of qualitys of humanbehavior we need to survive as mankind.
Extremes/deviations serve evolution, without them no humanity let alone life itself.
We need diversity.

For example:
The hunger for control is a good aspect of humanbehavior, a survivingmechanism.
It gets us organized and organisation fills our needs in live.
An extreme example of hunger for control is a man raping a woman.
We should thank our lives for extremes/deviasitions as well as the hunger for control.
This means we should be thankfull there are rapers.
We should be thankfull for all evil.

[Lee]

Evil serves the good.
We should be glad there are murderers and rapers.
Things we see as evil are extremes of qualitys of humanbehavior we need to survive as mankind.
Extremes/deviations serve evolution, without them no humanity let alone life itself.
We need diversity.

For example:
The hunger for control is a good aspect of humanbehavior, a survivingmechanism.
It gets us organized and organisation fills our needs in live.
An extreme example of hunger for control is a man raping a woman.
We should thank our lives for extremes/deviasitions as well as the hunger for control.
This means we should be thankfull there are rapers.
We should be thankfull for all evil.
It doesn't mean we should be "thankful" for anything.

[Anti__F]

In fact we do, unless you are not happy living.

[Lee]

In fact we do, unless you are not happy living. Being thankful, glad, happy, sad, annoyed, enraged, satisfied, judgemental are all part of the same eqaution.

If I should be happy rapists exist then I should be equally happy that others are there who hate and despise rapists.

I do not need criminals to survive, if they were all wiped off the planet tomorrow, I asure you I would still be here and the human race would manage, they are not a necessity, they are a result of evolution yes, they have evolved to fill tiny niches but the system does not crumble if they are removed.

[coffeezombie]

If you are so happy about it, maybe you should volunteer to be raped and murdered.

[crofbe]

I think you're thinking about "possible" rather than "happy"...

[Serotonin]

But an even stronger moderate quality of human behaviour is the desire to punish and remove rapists and murderers from society. I'm more thankful for that.

[Miss Anthropic]

Dear God,
Thanks for all the psychopaths, rapists and serial killers, bless them for doing their part in keeping society in balance. For without evil would be no good. Amen.

[meshou]

Evil serves the good.
We should be glad there are murderers and rapers.
Things we see as evil are extremes of qualitys of humanbehavior we need to survive as mankind.
Extremes/deviations serve evolution, without them no humanity let alone life itself.
We need diversity.

For example:
The hunger for control is a good aspect of humanbehavior, a survivingmechanism.
It gets us organized and organisation fills our needs in live.
An extreme example of hunger for control is a man raping a woman.
We should thank our lives for extremes/deviasitions as well as the hunger for control.
This means we should be thankfull there are rapers.
We should be thankfull for all evil."Keeping mindful it is necissary for life as we know it, and using it as a tool for growth" doesn't equal thankful.

I believe that the fact choice to rape is available is nessicary to any sort of human happiness. I am not thankful it is sometimes taken, nor should I be.

That the choice to do "evil" being available leads to the most good done does not mean that the evil acts make the good possible in the slightest, nor does it make the evil thing done beneficial. The choice is the origin of both.

As for the hunger for control, I would argue that all such hungers are neutral, but more often lead to suffering than happiness, even without rape coming into the equation. Suffering and happiness are also neutral, but that's a tangent.

[Anti__F]

Being thankful, glad, happy, sad, annoyed, enraged, satisfied, judgemental are all part of the same eqaution.

If I should be happy rapists exist then I should be equally happy that others are there who hate and despise rapists.

I do not need criminals to survive, if they were all wiped off the planet tomorrow, I asure you I would still be here and the human race would manage, they are not a necessity, they are a result of evolution yes, they have evolved to fill tiny niches but the system does not crumble if they are removed.

You should be equally happy for people who hate and despise rapists.
And no the world 'does not crumble if removed.
But if you do a new generation murderers and rapers will rise, its human nature to live on the edge of good and evil.
Evil feeds on diversity, as long there are diversity there is evil.
I embrasse diversity.

[Anti__F]

But an even stronger moderate quality of human behaviour is the desire to punish and remove rapists and murderers from society. I'm more thankful for that.

I would be the last person to say we should stimulate rapists and murderers, we have to prevent them for doing so, so punishing them should be good.
I'm saying we should accept evil as part of live and be happy it is.
without evil, no live.

[crofbe]

You know, you make no sense. Here's proof.


You should be equally happy for people who hate and despise rapists.

Let
P = lovers of rapists
~P = haters of rapists

hAPpY & thAnkFUl for (P ^ ~P) = >><<~!!~~!#~!!!

[Anti__F]

"Keeping mindful it is necissary for life as we know it, and using it as a tool for growth" doesn't equal thankful.

I believe that the fact choice to rape is available is nessicary to any sort of human happiness. I am not thankful it is sometimes taken, nor should I be.

That the choice to do "evil" being available leads to the most good done does not mean that the evil acts make the good possible in the slightest, nor does it make the evil thing done beneficial. The choice is the origin of both.

As for the hunger for control, I would argue that all such hungers are neutral, but more often lead to suffering than happiness, even without rape coming into the equation. Suffering and happiness are also neutral, but that's a tangent.

Using something as a tool doesnt equal thankfull, no you're right.
But we should be.
I thank every tool that gave me live, i'm very happy living.

I do understand that an act of evil does not makes good possible, its the phenomenon what does.
we can slightly control this phenomenom and we should, we can't however cut it out.

The hunger for control doesn't create more suffering than happiness.
It appearse to be, because you only tend to think and see the negative site of it.
The fact you're reading this, you're living in a house, you're eating bread, etc, etc, it's all because of organisation, the hunger of control.

[Anti__F]

Let
P = lovers of rapists
~P = haters of rapists

hAPpY & thAnkFUl for (P ^ ~P) = >><<~!!~~!#~!!!

hAPpY & thAnkFUl for (P ^ ~P) = diversity
Makes sense to me!!

[Lee]

First of all you make statements such as "good" & "evil", but these statements are relative to the individual and context.

Then you say that we "should" be thankful, which is another value judgement with no basis other than because you feel we should. If I had my leg chopped off I would not be thankful for it because I am still alive.

[crofbe]

hAPpY & thAnkFUl for (P ^ ~P) = diversity
Makes sense to me!!

and in this language, is it that you mean diversity = retarded?

[Anti__F]

Evil is not subjective, acts of evil are.
your leg getting chopped of is a risk you will have to live with to.
Its part of live.
i know you wouldn't be happy when it does, but be happy for the fact it can happen.

[Lee]

Evil is not subjective, acts of evil are.
your leg getting chopped of is a risk you will have to live with to.
Its part of live.
i know you wouldn't be happy when it does, but be happy for the fact it can happen.I do not need to experience an increase in various nueral chemicals upon hearing the fact that my leg can be chopped off.

It seems to me, what you are really saying is that we should be happy to exist! i'll be sure to be unhappy next time I don't exist then. On that note should I be happy that I am capable of being unhappy?

There is no reason that I should be thankful for peadophiles, rapists and criminals etc. I do not care to make any moral judgements on them but thier activities annoy and infuriate me, there is no reason to be thankful for thier existence, they do not exist because they are good for anyone, if they did not exist then all our ideas on right and wrong would simply be different.

So they evolved out of the pressures of natural selection! I do not have to like it, in fact my own dislike of it could be said to derive from that same process of selection. If the enviroment or social group were to change sufficiently then those traits could be bred or engineered out of the gene pool anyway.

Are you saying that we should simply be satisfied with the world as it is?

[crofbe]

but be happy for the fact it can happen.

but you just said be happy for the fact it can't happen.

edit: sorry for all these stupid posts, I'm tipsy.

[Anti__F]

I do not need to experience an increase in various nueral chemicals upon hearing the fact that my leg can be chopped off.

It seems to me, what you are really saying is that we should be happy to exist! i'll be sure to be unhappy next time I don't exist then. On that note should I be happy that I am capable of being unhappy?

There is no reason that I should be thankful for peadophiles, rapists and criminals etc. I do not care to make any moral judgements on them but thier activities annoy and infuriate me, there is no reason to be thankful for thier existence, they do not exist because they are good for anyone, if they did not exist then all our ideas on right and wrong would simply be different.

So they evolved out of the pressures of natural selection! I do not have to like it, in fact my own dislike of it could be said to derive from that same process of selection. If the enviroment or social group were to change sufficiently then those traits could be bred or engineered out of the gene pool anyway.

Are you saying that we should simply be satisfied with the world as it is?

No i'm not saying we should be satisfied with the world as it is, we should fight all acts we see as evil.
Accepting evil as part of live does not mean we should let it happen and pick our noses.

[Lee]

No i'm not saying we should be satisfied with the world as it is, we should fight all acts we see as evil.
Accepting evil as part of live does not mean we should let it happen and pick our noses.
But I should be thankful for it anyway?

[Anti__F]

Yes.
I am thankful to everything I owe my live for.
The phenomenom Evil is one of many aspects whitch made live possible.

[Bill_Zenn]

"The phenomenom Evil is one of many aspects whitch made live possible."

This is bad logic. Please explain to me how life is contingent upon there being evil in the world.

[Anti__F]

Evil serves the good.
We should be glad there are murderers and rapers.
Things we see as evil are extremes of qualitys of humanbehavior we need to survive as mankind.
Extremes/deviations serve evolution, without them no humanity let alone life itself.
We need diversity.

For example:
The hunger for control is a good aspect of humanbehavior, a survivingmechanism.
It gets us organized and organisation fills our needs in live.
An extreme example of hunger for control is a man raping a woman.
We should thank our lives for extremes/deviasitions as well as the hunger for control.
This means we should be thankfull there are rapers.
We should be thankfull for all evil.

here you are.

[Bill_Zenn]

I read that, but none of what you state indicates to me why life is contingent upon evil. For instance, you state "evil serves the good". How does it serve it? If there were no such thing as evil or good, would life cease to exist? I don't think so. Besides, "good" and "evil" are highly subjective concepts. What do you think about Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil"?

[Anti__F]

I didn't read "Beyond Good and Evil".
Evil serves the good just by being there, having evil means there is diversity.
Diversity is n o t possible without evil.
They go hand in hand.
We can only ban (human)evil by having exectly the same values in live and live by them.
Would be a boring non-effective place.
Good and evil are not highly subjective, only acts of good and evil are.
An act may be seen by somebody as good, someone else states the act is evil, etc.
Its not a bad logic, just seeing things the way they are.
Rather living with evil than not living at all.
Living without evil is n o t an option.

[Johnny]

Evil is not subjective, acts of evil are.
your leg getting chopped of is a risk you will have to live with to.
Its part of live.
i know you wouldn't be happy when it does, but be happy for the fact it can happen.This is the limit of my endurance on this topic. Here's my gasp for breath:

The song "Don't worry be happy" was written and played perhaps before you were born. It gets to your point just as quickly and is a very catchy tune.

Don't let us ever catch you singing a sad song Anti_F...

[Xenophon]

On Joy & Sorrow
Kahlil Gibran

Then a woman said, "Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow."

And he answered:

Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.

And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.

And how else can it be?

The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.

Is not the cup that hold your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?

And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?

When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.

Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater."

But I say unto you, they are inseparable.

Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.

Verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy.

Only when you are empty are you at standstill and balanced.

When the treasure-keeper lifts you to weigh his gold and his silver, needs must your joy or your sorrow rise or fall.

[SheepDog]

You shouldn't use the word 'should'.

[Bill_Zenn]

I didn't read "Beyond Good and Evil".
I highly recommend it. Reading that book gave me a new perspective on what good and evil are, as well as morality, and a host of other things. Here is a link to an e-text if you’re interested:

http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/Nietzsche/beyondgoodandevil_tofc.htm


Good and evil are not highly subjective, only acts of good and evil are.
I disagree. There is no such thing as an absolute good, and an absolute evil. That is very dualistic thinking. Things that are considered "evil" in one culture are considered "good", or "neutral" in another culture. Who makes the rules? It is all a matter of perception - hence, subjective.

[Anti__F]

I highly recommend it. Reading that book gave me a new perspective on what good and evil are, as well as morality, and a host of other things. Here is a link to an e-text if you’re interested:

http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/Nietzsche/beyondgoodandevil_tofc.htm

I will, maybe discuss it later.

I disagree. There is no such thing as an absolute good, and an absolute evil. That is very dualistic thinking. Things that are considered "evil" in one culture are considered "good", or "neutral" in another culture. Who makes the rules? It is all a matter of perception - hence, subjective.

If you tell me that things that are considered as evil, you mean acts considered as evil.
Act/things of evil are subjective, evil is not.

[crofbe]

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[meshou]

If you tell me that things that are considered as evil, you mean acts considered as evil.
Act/things of evil are subjective, evil is not.So wait, you're saying an intangable quality has no absolute concrete manifestation in the real world, but is still absolute.

Look, you can get into philosophy, and talk about the platonic idea of a chair (it's pure "chairness"), or the platonic idea of evil. But those absolute ideas do not exist outside our own heads.

In the case of a platonic idea of a chair, I can point to an actual real example that is not subjective.

You are saying you can't do so with evil.

That doesn't mean evil doesn't exist. It just means all the cases of evil existing is subjective, and for any application in real life, it should be treated as such.

[Bill_Zenn]

If you tell me that things that are considered as evil, you mean acts considered as evil.
Act/things of evil are subjective, evil is not.

“Evil” is just a concept, it is an idea in our brains. There is no such thing as “evil” separated from ones perception of phenomena as such. All evils are acts of evil (not excepting thought as an act), and these acts are given different subjective value judgments by different people. Hence, "evil" is subjective.

Define evil for me.