Bigotry

[Division56]

Do any of you think personality type influences bigotry? :ph34r:

[Birnam]

example?

but I find it a tempting possibility...

[Claverhouse]

Do you mean, being bigoted for or against certain groups ( almost at random in some cases eg: pro-white/anti-white; pro-specific religion/anti-specific religion or all religion; pro-communist/anti-communist ), or having a mindset immediately disposed to bigotry ? :devil:

Everyone is bigoted on some specific point or points: it's what makes people individuals. :D



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[CosmicDust]

It may influence the expression of bigotry more than the presence of it. Also, it may not really correlate to "type" in any known system (though it might correlate to, say, a low score on agreeableness in the Big 5, which isn't really a type system) but it does correlate to some personality characteristics.

[Division56]

Well, many of us think the secularism/religion has corrilations to the types. I was just wondering what your opinions on bigotry were.


It would seem to me that Fs would have a propensity to it. Going along on feeling, not bothering to think if they're making any sense. It's just me thinking out loud.

[Johnny]

I would offer that J-types may be more likely to let bigotry influence their behavior before thinking about it and dismantling it in favor of a disposition that is more inclusive, but of course I don't really know.

[paladinoflunaria]

SJs- traditionalists- mostly hold the same opinions as the local and/or state and/or national culture. If any of these cultures contain prejudices, the SJ is likely to likewise exhibit them.

[Claverhouse]

SJs- traditionalists- mostly hold the same opinions as the local and/or state and/or national culture. If any of these cultures contain prejudices, the SJ is likely to likewise exhibit them.

Er, I've no idea whether I'm bigoted or not, or whether others perceive it in my values: for that matter a good thing like green environmentalism can be composed of many bigotries, some against tradition, some against exploitation etc., some in favour of animals over people ( :hello: ); but I should refuse a correlation betwixt traditionalism & conformism. I am excessively traditionalist, but differ almost entirely with the beliefs and mores of most of the society I exist in. Not to mention the national culture. If you can call it a culture.


stiffly

( & valuing animals over people )

Claverhouse :ph34r:

[paladinoflunaria]

tra·di·tion·al·ism [ trÉ™ dÃshÉ™n’l ìzzÉ™m, trÉ™ dÃshnÉ™ lìzzÉ™m ]

noun

1. respect for tradition: deep respect for tradition, especially cultural or religious practices
2. religion belief in transmission of divine revelation: the idea that all knowledge comes from divine revelation and is passed on by tradition




con·form·ist [ kən fáwrmist ]

noun (plural con·form·ists)

somebody who follows customs and rules: somebody who behaves or thinks in a socially acceptable or expected way

adjective

socially acceptable: characterized by adherence to accepted norms of behavior or thought


I'm sure you'll see the correlation now.

[Horger]

well my INTJ friend and his father (who I suspect is also an INTJ), are both very bigoted.

Then again, so am I. I think it has more to do with where you grew up.

[Division56]

I don't know about location. I grew up in the Deep South and then Pennsylvania. Neither of those are very liberal and I came out as liberal as they come.


I think I'll start a separate topic just on what makes people choose their political ideology.

[KentOhio]

I'd go along with saying J's may be more apt to be bigoted.

[Claverhouse]

I'm sure you'll see the correlation now.

No, one can value tradition and The Old Ways, and by so doing be immediately at odds with conformists who accept the imposed values of current society because they adhere to fashion and the dictates of the zeitgeist.

Fr'instance: I believe that no building ( in Europe, including GB; and probably everywhere else ) built before 1920 should be destroyed or materially altered, and nearly anything built since then should be pulled down. That is traditionalism.

Society, run by profit, creepy little property-developers and technocrats who love modernism & erasing the past, decrees otherwise. Most people go along with this and even if unhappy with the new landscape accept the need for change; because both the regime and the media tell them this is not only desirable but inevitable. That is conformism.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Johnny]

Society, run by profit, creepy little property-developers and technocrats who love modernism & erasing the past, decrees otherwise.

Yes. It's extremely sad. Not a single building or home stands where I live that existed 150 years ago, and the history of my community could be displayed on a flashcard for the value we see in it.

[Claverhouse]

Society, run by profit, creepy little property-developers and technocrats who love modernism & erasing the past, decrees otherwise.

Yes. It's extremely sad. Not a single building or home stands where I live that existed 150 years ago, and the history of my community could be displayed on a flashcard for the value we see in it.

Yeah, and that raises another point: our ancestors, despite the manifold miseries of existence ( and the numerous cruelties caused by their close-minded traditional existence; I'm not saying tradition is automatically a good thing per se ) were rooted in their communities and could feel the past around them, feeling the essence from the buildings and tools and rites used by their ancestors, still used by them. If the future generations live in an ugly wasteland, periodically erased and renewed every 30odd years, there's not much hope for them developing humanistic values. :angry:

Forgive the word humanistic: humanism is not one of my admirations in most senses ! But here I mean anti-consumeristic and anti-civilised. Sometimes I just can't think of the correct word for ages. :D


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Johnny]

Claverhouse: If the future generations live in an ugly wasteland, periodically erased and renewed every 30odd years, there's not much hope for them developing humanistic values.
I already feel it in the music, art, politics, poetry - all the ways we interact with each other...the shallowness. We're not stupid!

I'm not a pessimist, though. In the US, it's just the "Scrooge" mentality that's gotten ahold of us for the moment - the baby boomers in control of our government and corporations are aging with broken dreams and are extremely upset about it. Whatever world the baby boomers were protesting for during Vietnam went away when the smoke dissipated and replaced by money and greed.

But they really believe that they can amass enough money to become immortal, they know what's coming. They will pass too, and there will be people to replace them with a much more forward-looking perspective...which will, in turn, require respect for a more far-reaching past.

O.K., I really mean no harm to anyone, young or old. Just trying to blow a horn loud enough to be a wake-up-call and change lives around for the better...

[paladinoflunaria]

O.K., I really mean no harm to anyone, young or old. Just trying to blow a horn loud enough to be a wake-up-call and change lives around for the better...

That's really what everyone is trying to do. Some contrast on the property of greed, but everyone, more or less, wants things to be better. After hundreds of thousands of years, we've gotten nowhere. Wow, we're smart! B)

[The Architect]

Fr'instance: I believe that no building ( in Europe, including GB; and probably everywhere else ) built before 1920 should be destroyed or materially altered, and nearly anything built since then should be pulled down. That is traditionalism.

Oh man. Here we go.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. For reference, the Querini-Stampalia Foundation remodel by Carlo Scarpa in Venice is one of many reasons why.

Buildings get old. They start to fall apart and become unusable. In the above example (originally built in 1869) the bottom floor of this art gallery flooded every time the canals in Venice rose beyond a certain point. Scarpa fixed this problem as well as remodeled the rest of the bottom floor. Rather than hide his work and try to match what was already there, he instead integrated the new into the old, bringing out amazing contrast between what was already there and what he added (or subtracted.) There are obvious traces of the building's past, but the new is the most prominent.

(Another good example of this would be the louvre. It's been remodeled and expanded countless times throughout its history, and in my opinion for the better. (Although I. M. Pei's lates work on it (the pyramid) could be debatable.))

Granted, there are cases in which a building does have historical significance and should be preserved, but just because a building is old doesn't mean it was good or has much significance to our past and shouldn't be torn down or remodeled.


Society, run by profit, creepy little property-developers and technocrats who love modernism & erasing the past, decrees otherwise. Most people go along with this and even if unhappy with the new landscape accept the need for change; because both the regime and the media tell them this is not only desirable but inevitable. That is conformism.

This is true. Developers, suburbs, outlet stores and malls are the devil.

Sorry for the rant. (I suppose it could be considered bigoted)

[Dr. Haight]

Do any of you think personality type influences bigotry? :ph34r:

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It seems difficult to differentiate nurture from nature in this particular instance; however, my instincts say "Yes," and more specifically, "SJ's."

[Shimpei]

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It seems difficult to differentiate nurture from nature in this particular instance; however, my instincts say "Yes," and more specifically, "SJ's."


again those stupid SJs...

[Dr. Haight]

again those stupid SJs...
Would that be an example of self-bigotry? ;)

[Shimpei]

Would that be an example of self-bigotry? ;)

:whyi: You INTPs love to blame SJs for your problems.

[wildcat]

They destroy for money. And what is left?
Money.
Money for what?
For nothing.

[LostInThoughts]

Do any of you think personality type influences bigotry? :ph34r:

Division56,

Interesting question...Hmmm, for now I can only speak for myself. As an "open-minded" INTP I consider myself open to the experience of finding many peoples intolerable...

[mr. treat]

we are all bigots to some degree. type only reflects how we show that bigotry.

[mgb]

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More like *raised from the dead after a long and dramatic satanic ceremony*

hee hee ;)

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[Dr. Haight]

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