Why Kerry gets a bad image of changing standpoints

[Wrath Mania]

John Kerry is an ENTP. All NTP's change their views and standpoints, they don't feel like once they've made a decision, they MUST stick with it like a NTJ would. Kerry's switching stances comes from his P preference.

Naturally, J's attack P's in this world, and Bush his administration (all NTJs, Bush really needs an NTP) are exploiting that. Another example of how personality typing can show how things shape the way they are.

On the record, I think Kerry is a imbecile... but Bush has proven to be a growing disaster that will only get much worse if he stays in office. I can't vote yet, but it doesn't make a difference; I would have trouble going for either of these two winners.

[KentOhio]

What's your source on the ENTP diagnosis? Also, I thought I read that Bush is an INFJ. If you've ever seen Condoleeza Rice speak, though, she is INTJ all the way.

[HairlessBluetick]

What's your source on the ENTP diagnosis? Also, I thought I read that Bush is an INFJ. If you've ever seen Condoleeza Rice speak, though, she is INTJ all the way.

Where did you hear that Bush is an INFJ? I'd be really surprised if he was an N.

[Wrath Mania]

http://www.braintypes.com/news_in_brief.htm

From the political article almost halfway down:

It isn’t difficult to see that ‘J’s have dominated the White House in recent decades. In fact, the only ‘P’ U.S. president since the days of FDR (an ENTJ - FCIL) was whimsical Lyndon B. Johnson (ESTP - FEIR). For this reason, if John Kerry (ENTP - FCIR) wins the presidency, he’ll be a rarity in modern presidential times.

This is from the same site, a little more obscure, but notes Dubya being an ENTJ...

http://www.braintypes.com/find_out_here.htm

And there's no doubt in my mind Kerry's P is responsible for all this stuff about switching sites, and like any NTJ, Bush is attacking it swiftly.

[Birdsnest]

Bush seems like an ISFP or J. I really appreciate the information about Kerry being an ENTP. I think he will do fine.

[Wrath Mania]

I wish I shared your faith. Personally I think Kerry gives NTP's a bad name with his muddling, although if I had to choose between Kerry and Bush, I'd choose Kerry. Kerry hasn't proven he's a living disaster yet like the current man in office.

[Hunter]

Republicans say flip-flop, Democrats say he has the ability to change his mind...

The truly intelligent know that whoever wins, we lose.

[Wrath Mania]

The truly intelligent know that whoever wins, we lose.

Indeed...

[Melody]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?

[Wrath Mania]

Eisenhower reincarnate?

[Melody]

Hmmm. Sounds like paranoia.

[Spartan26]

John Kerry is an ENTP. All NTP's change their views and standpoints, they don't feel like once they've made a decision, they MUST stick with it like a NTJ would. Kerry's switching stances comes from his P preference.

I think Kerry's switching, like all politicians, comes from focus groups and pollsters. Whenever you hear a politician begin an answer with, "I never said...I said..." it's because the first answer didn't play in Peoria or an opposing politician has attacked the previous answer or stance. In either case the person who asked the question was almost assuredly a plant and special attention was made in concocting an answer to defuse what could be a long-term liability.

While not one to completely dismiss what someone says these politicians' MBTI types are, if it's coming from how someone has analyzed their speeches or how their decision-making style has been presented to the public, then every politician is going to look virtually the same because for the past quarter century PR firms have done extensive research on what image will get a person elected.

[Hunter]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?

Some one who isn't absurdly rich and actually wants to look out for the middle class? Which sadly is impossible, since you need all that money for ads.

[Crazy]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?

Well, if Kerry wins, then we have to worry about whatever he is going to pull during his term, and possibly changing opinions, or "flip-floping" and we have to worry about him getting re-elected. If Bush wins, we don't have to worry about another Bush after that, we won't have to worry about Kerry again, and we will have two fresh new candidates come 2008. Course, there is speculation that hillary will run next time if Bush wins, which could turn out very badly IMO. By that time maybe the Repubs will be able to front a serious candidate. As long as it isn't the VP.

BTW, isn't just like our country to elect "Bush and Dick"

[Jkrs]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?
Some one who isn't absurdly rich and actually wants to look out for the middle class? Which sadly is impossible, since you need all that money for ads.
Actually, it's a pretty rare candidate these days that spends large amounts of their own money on getting elected. The majority tends to come from donations, often from an assortment of businesses and PACs.

[ohnoaninfp]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?

Me! :rofl: muhahaha!

[Arioch]

Who would have to win in order for us not to lose?
Some one who isn't absurdly rich and actually wants to look out for the middle class? Which sadly is impossible, since you need all that money for ads.
Actually, it's a pretty rare candidate these days that spends large amounts of their own money on getting elected. The majority tends to come from donations, often from an assortment of businesses and PACs.

If I remember correctly there are all kind of laws that state how much certain people can give and such.

[spirilis]

I remember reading Joe Butt, the dude who wrote stuff for typelogic.com, pegging Bush an ESTJ (yeah, that sounds right) and Kerry an ENTJ.

ENTP sounds more like Kerry in light of his "changing standpoints." Personally I wouldn't know since I do not follow the campaigns.

[booyalab]

I think Kerry may be an ENTP, but I don't think Bush is a J. He's an ESTP and he didn't invent the notion of Kerry being a flip-flopper, he jumped on the bandwagon of that argument and is using it as a political tactic.

[crule81]

Kerry's switching stances comes from his P preference.

As Spartan alluded to, Kerry's P preference is for Politics. I don't have a problem with Kerry changing his positions on issues if I could know with a degree of certainty that he made the change after honest deliberation. I believe some of his "flip-flops" were actual sincere reconsiderations. Others, however, are clearly motivated by whatever was the current mood of the constituency to which he sought to appeal. In these instances, Kerry didn't flip-flop his internal beliefs, but only his external position. Unfortunately, this characteristic seems inherent in politicians. The lesson for political parties is that they should not nominate candidate with records on national and foreign policy. State governors are safer bets in the modern era (i.e. Reagan, Clinton and GW Bush).

[INTrPosr]

John Kerry is an ENTP. All NTP's change their views and standpoints, they don't feel like once they've made a decision, they MUST stick with it like a NTJ would.

He seems to be somewhat introverted to me. However, I have always theorized that if INTPs and INFJs can appear extraverted to those who do not know them, then there must be some extraverted types who can do the opposite. Okay ENTP is plausible.