Hustler: Genius or FUCKING idiot?

[mgb]

He's no genius.

[Last Song]

So my choice is ... 'or death'?

[Sally]

I have to say, though, that Hustler is my #1 Favorite Troll.

He's so persistent and seems genuinely upset, not just some bored asshole with too much angst and time on his hands.

[melancholeric]

He's no genius.
ummm.... Who is he? Never heard of him.

[kuranes]

ummm.... Who is he? Never heard of him.
Now THIS is the only kind of remark that might puncture Hustler's thick skin.

[Ka.avik]

I'm just wondering if he's posting so prodigously b/c his medications ran out, or the doctors are trying a different mix right now

[Star]

What's wrong with posting out of a library? Classist prick. :devil:

[Ka.avik]

posting out of a library, given his assurances that he has the "game" figured out, would be indicitave of the level of his delusions. Unlike SIL, who was just being adventursome, and was generally liked, except when he went on his pro-druggie rants. Actually, that's why we don't hear from him anymore...isn't it?

I'm telling ya, his meds ran out, and he's out of his home state, posting from a library computer about how the whole world is his oyster, and he doesn't even realize he hasn't eaten in two days. Three if you discount that rat.

[Trolsk]

Who cares?

[Architectonic]

I vote: hypocritical genius. :ph34r:

[mgb]

What's wrong with posting out of a library? Classist prick. :devil:

Nothing, but Hustler has spent his time telling us how he is a success and we are all stupid because we aren't successful like him.

I think it would particularily hilarious if he, like tomorrowteen, was posting out of a library inbetween nights at a shelter.

[Hustler]

I have to say, though, that Hustler is my #1 Favorite Troll.

Wait a minute. How does me generally being right and seeing the bigger picture but the rest of the board being too ignorant to grasp my wisdom make me a troll? I'm the good guy here!

[mgb]

Wait a minute. How does me generally being right and seeing the bigger picture but the rest of the board being too ignorant to grasp my wisdom make me a troll? I'm the good guy here!

Whatever troll.

Maybe you should look up the definition of troll. You don't have to be stupid to be a troll, just annoying, and you certainly qualify for that.

[Hustler]

Maybe you should look up the definition of troll. You don't have to be stupid to be a troll, just annoying, and you certainly qualify for that.

I would say the same of you, but you're just not quite significant enough to qualify as an annoyance.

[joft]

I don't have to oppose Hustler or try to argue with him. I already know from having seen Donnie Darko that people like Donnie are way better than the people like that child-porn guy. And Hustler is obviously one of those child-porn type guys while the rest of us are obviously like Donnie Darko.

But I won't refrain from this ad hominem attack: I bet Hustler is an INTJ

And that's an ad hominem attack because calling someone an INTJ is definitely an insult.

[CoHo]

I bet Hustler is an INTJ

I agree, I bet most everyone on here can see that

[Hustler]

But I won't refrain from this ad hominem attack: I bet Hustler is an INTJ

How much do you want to bet?

[Hustler]

I agree, I bet most everyone on here can see that

Such a need for definitive categorization and group consistency of thought only puts your own Jness on display.

[MasterMerk]

I vote horrendous indifference.

[Hustler]

I vote horrendous indifference.

You could have cast that vote far more effectively by not participating on this thread.

[MasterMerk]

A point. I haven't participated in any of the others lately, but I still feel the world needs to hear I couldn't care less, so I have an excuse not to participate.

[Vagabond]

Hustler: Genius or FUCKING idiot?
Wait a minute. How does me generally being right and seeing the bigger picture but the rest of the board being too ignorant to grasp my wisdom make me a troll? I'm the good guy here! Fucking delusional.

[mgb]

I would say the same of you, but you're just not quite significant enough to qualify as an annoyance.

No, don't say that, it hurts so much.

I was just going by the numbers but maybe you are just the victim in all of this. I love people that play the victim card.

[joft]

I wouldn't put any self-serving cognitive bias beyond Hustler, so for his own sake I will specify that my vote was a sarcastic one.

[mgb]

He really does sound like Thermo though before he discovered he was an INTJ. I really think Hustler should do some reading about the INTJ type and head over to INTJ Central.

Most of the posts over there are about what losers INTPs are. Ok some. Hustler would fit right in with all those successful bastards.

[Hustler]

I wouldn't put any self-serving cognitive bias beyond Hustler, so for his own sake I will specify that my vote was a sarcastic one.

Blah, blah, blah. I see you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is. I guarantee you I'm not an INTJ, why won't you take me up on that bet?

[Hustler]

Most of the posts over there are about what losers INTPs are. Ok some. Hustler would fit right in with all those successful bastards.

I hate to burst your bubble, but just because someone thinks you're a loser, it doesn't make him an INTJ.

[Lee]

I hate to burst your bubble, but just because someone thinks you're a loser, it doesn't make him an INTJ.
I don't think thats true... for example I think I am INTJ.

*snigger*

[indie]

Wait a minute. How does me generally being right and seeing the bigger picture but the rest of the board being too ignorant to grasp my wisdom make me a troll? I'm the good guy here!


Hustler, I am sorry for poking fun at your posting style before. However, if you truly, *truly* believe that you are the only person here capable of being "correct" in your beliefs or being the only one here who is able to "grasp the big picture," you are probably not INTP. The difference between INTPs and INTJs is just that. . . INTPs don't kick and yell at a dead horse for being dead, especially when the dead horse just got sick of living and died to humor everybody else.

[s0978]

I wouldn't put any self-serving cognitive bias beyond Hustler, so for his own sake I will specify that my vote was a sarcastic one.
Joft, I really like how you only speak about Hustler in the third person, it seems to indicate that you're not interested in communicating any point to him, rather only to the rest of us on this board.

[Lee]

Yeah, if you really are smart then you'll quit the preaching style you have going. For somebody who is adept at "playing the game" you really played this whole forum completely wrong... unless of course your goal is to piss people off, in that case you are a troll and should be banned.

Other than that I don't mind, I do not think you are stupid and incapable of contributing to discussions... nor do I wish to knock you from your self-styled throne, in fact I can see why you would like it, arrogance serves many in this world very well.

Just stop insulting and confronting people all the time.

[Claverhouse]

...INTPs don't kick and yell at a dead horse for being dead, especially when the dead horse just got sick of living and died to humor everybody else.

Actually... this very thread appears to prove the opposite, and similar pack threads.

Personally, I feel quite capable of understanding that I disagree with Hustler --- or many others --- without making a song and dance about it.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[meshou]

Yeah, if you really are smart then you'll quit the preaching style you have going. For somebody who is adept at "playing the game" you really played this whole forum completely wrong... unless of course your goal is to piss people off, in that case you are a troll and should be banned.

Other than that I don't mind, I do not think you are stupid and incapable of contributing to discussions... nor do I wish to knock you from your self-styled throne, in fact I can see why you would like it, arrogance serves many in this world very well.

Just stop insulting and confronting people all the time.When I modded a board, we had a troll who was being considered for banning.

Mods against it claimed she was sincere, that she had a horrible life, and therefore should be excused.

Those for it argued that even if this were true, there's a certain quality and to posts that ought to be maintained, and would not be if she were allowed to stay. The results were the same either way.

He could be all he says he is, or a fat 30 year old bagboy whose great hustle is to steal already scanned items. If he's a pompous little prick, his sincerity and intelligence don't matter when it comes to whether he's a troll.

[indie]

Actually... this very thread appears to prove the opposite, and similar pack threads.

?

The horse is not dead yet; we are trying to revive it.

p.s. I did not vote in the poll, if that helps. ;)

[Lee]

When I modded a board, we had a troll who was being considered for banning.

Mods against it claimed she was sincere, that she had a horrible life, and therefore should be excused.

Those for it argued that even if this were true, there's a certain quality and to posts that ought to be maintained, and would not be if she were allowed to stay. The results were the same either way.

He could be all he says he is, or a fat 30 year old bagboy whose great hustle is to steal already scanned items. If he's a pompous little prick, his sincerity and intelligence don't matter when it comes to whether he's a troll.Yeah, people can be trolls and not even realise it, usually I would consider peoples intentions as more important than the eventual crime; but in the case of a forum like this I find the persons intentions irrelevent, all that matters is the end behavious and results. If hustler continues down the path he is currently treading I would consider him a prime candidate for banning...

...Songbird turned into a troll with the best of intentions and she didn't even realise it, she was banned and the problem was solved.

[Hustler]

Yeah, if you really are smart then you'll quit the preaching style you have going. For somebody who is adept at "playing the game" you really played this whole forum completely wrong... unless of course your goal is to piss people off, in that case you are a troll and should be banned.

Please tell me, what would it mean to play this forum right? I am adept at playing the game, and my reasons for participation here are not readily confined to the limited choices you present.


Just stop insulting and confronting people all the time.

Please save this request for a thread not titled, "Hustler: Genius or FUCKING idiot?" Thanks.

[Hustler]

He could be all he says he is, or a fat 30 year old bagboy whose great hustle is to steal already scanned items. If he's a pompous little prick, his sincerity and intelligence don't matter when it comes to whether he's a troll.

Such hate. Whatever it is I am, my ideas on this forum serve to contribute a lot to the discussions here. Most people disagree with me, but I can live with that. Why can't they? Are the egos here so fragile that my contrarian nature and arrogant certainty are a serious threat?

I am insulted daily here. Called a troll, labelled an INTJ/ENFJ/etc., all because I am willing to post beliefs and information many consider incorrect. I maintain it is they who are wrong, and that people with an open mind can benefit from my ideas. For this greater cause -- the presentation of TRUTH -- I am willing to sit here and take the abuse.

So please, continue to do your worst. More hate, more polls, it only goes to prove that my ideas are unassailable and that I must be attacked instead.

[meshou]

*feels the love* (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=117307)

[Lee]

Please tell me, what would it mean to play this forum right? I am adept at playing the game, and my reasons for participation here are not readily confined to the limited choices you present.Of course "playing this forum right" is relative to your reasons for being here, so far you have displayed behaviour commonly associated with a troll and you say you are adept at playing the game, does that mean you admit you are a troll?

What are your reasons for being here?

Please save this request for a thread not titled, "Hustler: Genius or FUCKING idiot?" Thanks.I do not seek to defend mgbradsh's creation of this thread and it's title does nothing to argue against my reasonable request.

[Hustler]

*feels the love* (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=117307)

You have no sense of humor. None!

*smiles at Meshou*

PS - Aren't you supposed to be ignoring me?

[Hustler]

Of course "playing this forum right" is relative to your reasons for being here, so far you have displayed behaviour commonly associated with a troll and you say you are adept at playing the game, does that mean you admit you are a troll?

To spread enlightenment to those deserving, of course. My methods weed out the undeserving, and quite effectively at that.


I do not seek to defend mgbradsh's creation of this thread and it's title does nothing to argue against my reasonable request.

It is ridiculous for you to request I stop insulting people on a thread dedicated to insulting me.

[Lee]

To spread enlightenment to those deserving, of course. My methods weed out the undeserving, and quite effectively at that.You say "weed" out, but who are you weeding out? how are you seperating them from the rest? for what purpose? it seems you are simply insulting and annoying lots of people, when that number of annoyed people swells to a majority you become the forums new troll whether you mean to or not.

Your enlightenment is not enlightenment in most peoples eyes, it's simply a point of view, backed up by subjective emotions, motivations, goals and experience. Your wisdom is simply something to be taken under consideration... your persistent forcing of these opinions simply pisses people off, because there is no way you can prove that it is any more "right" than any other point of view, you simply act like an evangelist.

If people have different motivations, goals, likes, dislikes to you then your enlightenment simply does not apply.

It is ridiculous for you to request I stop insulting people on a thread dedicated to insulting me.I'll send a PM, or post it somewhere else if it makes you feel better, it'll still be the same request. There is no reason why it is a ridiculous request.

[Hustler]

You say "weed" out, but who are you weeding out? how are you seperating them from the rest? for what purpose? it seems you are simply insulting and annoying lots of people, when that number of annoyed people swells to a majority you become the forums new troll whether you mean to or not.

The responses I get from people tell me all I need to know about their character and ability to receive the information I can impart to them. Most are simply unable to appreciate my knowledge and use it for their own betterment.


Your enlightenment is not enlightenment in most peoples eyes, it's simply a point of view, backed up by subjective emotions, motivations, goals and experience. Your wisdom is simply something to be taken under consideration... your persistent forcing of these opinions simply pisses people off, because there is no way you can prove that it is any more "right" than any other point of view, you simply act like an evangelist.

I force my opinions on nobody. People are welcome to disregard me entirely or even disagree with me if they find my point of view so distasteful that they can't stand it.


If people have different motivations, goals, likes, dislikes to you then your enlightenment simply does not apply.

Their loss, not mine. At least I was magnanimous enough to come here and give them the choice. I should be applauded for this display of largesse, not ridiculed. But, thanks to the deep and consuming insecurities which permeate the participants of these forums


I'll send a PM, or post it somewhere else if it makes you feel better, it'll still be the same request. There is no reason why it is a ridiculous request.

Please, don't waste both of our time. I have definitely received far more insults than I have given out here on INTPcentral. I find it both ridiculous and condescending that you would deign to make such a request.

[Last Song]

FUCKING idiot. (:

*stab stab*

[CoHo]

I am adept at playing the game, and my reasons for participation here are not readily confined to the limited choices you present.

You spouted your mouth among your peers, as you described us, and we are calling you a fucking imbecile. Now, you can say we aren't your peers anymore and thusly you are someone better but that just doesn't sit since you are still here.

If we are so below you then fly, fly away!

[Hustler]

You spouted your mouth among your peers, as you described us, and we are calling you a fucking imbecile. Now, you can say we aren't your peers anymore and thusly you are someone better but that just doesn't sit since you are still here.

If we are so below you then fly, fly away!

Teachers don't fly away from classrooms, but they are not peers with all of the students there, either. But yes, you are below me -- you in particular. I've already said I think meshou is probably smarter than I am, what more do you want from me? I can't lie and say I feel the same about you, sorry.

[CoHo]

Teachers don't fly away from classrooms, but they are not peers with all of the students there, either. But yes, you are below me -- you in particular.

I think that is a perfect way to sum up why some of us think you are an idiot. Perfect, completly perfect.

[Last Song]

"I(67) N(89) T(89) P(32)". :ph34r:

[mgb]

Actually, at least there is a choice that you might be a genius in the title, a lot of bitching parlour threads don't even get that.

And why is being an INTJ an insult. I'm not insulting you when I say that. You just seem like a lot of the INTJs that have come on this site in my opinion, given that you seem that way, you might want to investigate whether or not you are actually that way by meeting some of your suggested peers and seeing if you get along with them better.

That's more what MBTI that spouting out absolutes about type. You seem more J. You word your arguments like a J. You get hurt and attack like an INTJ. No one is saying it's a bad thing or that you have to leave INTP Central, just that you might be more comfortable with your own type, just like most of us are.

As for you seeming like an asshole, the evidence is really piling up. Maybe you should try being less of an asshole and if you don't want to, don't complain about the onslaught of threads about you.

[mgb]

PS. The FUCKING was just an ode to Shai Gar.

[Architectonic]

"I(67) N(89) T(89) P(32)". :ph34r:

Yes, evidently his p-ness isn't very large at all. :ph34r:


Seriously though, why is it that people get upset when people disagree with them? I mean, I don't necessarily agree with Hustler, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to put him on ignore, or get the moderators to ban him from the forum. With a name like 'Huster', it is clear that his intention is to troll - but he doesn't seem to be all that convincing and is still rather harmless.

[CoHo]

I mean, I don't necessarily agree with Hustler, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to put him on ignore, or get the moderators to ban him from the forum. With a name like 'Huster', it is clear that his intention is to troll - but he doesn't seem to be all that convincing and is still rather harmless.

That is completely wrong and it is so wrong I don't even see the need to explain why it is so wrong. You're posting style expressed your inherent stupidity from the beginning and makes it that much more obvious why you are beneath being anywhere near me. For that matter I'm not even sure why I am replying to this absolute drivel since the 2 seconds it took my brain to process your post was worth more then a million years in yours.

[Hustler]

Actually, at least there is a choice that you might be a genius in the title, a lot of bitching parlour threads don't even get that.

Technically, I am. I am willing to trust Stanford-Binet over the opinion of the posters on this forum. Insults against my intelligence do not phase me, though I will admit some of them are entertaining.


And why is being an INTJ an insult. I'm not insulting you when I say that. You just seem like a lot of the INTJs that have come on this site in my opinion, given that you seem that way, you might want to investigate whether or not you are actually that way by meeting some of your suggested peers and seeing if you get along with them better.

Trust me, I've met INTJs in my time. I'm not one of them, I'm one of you, like it or not. I'm still willing to take bets from anyone who says otherwise and wants to make it interesting.


That's more what MBTI that spouting out absolutes about type. You seem more J. You word your arguments like a J. You get hurt and attack like an INTJ. No one is saying it's a bad thing or that you have to leave INTP Central, just that you might be more comfortable with your own type, just like most of us are.

I feel very comfortable here at INTPcentral. I think it is you who is not comfortable with me.


As for you seeming like an asshole, the evidence is really piling up. Maybe you should try being less of an asshole and if you don't want to, don't complain about the onslaught of threads about you.

I would never complain about the incessant posts which make attacks on me. It comes with the territory of being a jackass, an admission I made early on in the 'What is wrong with you people?' thread not so long ago. Even still, I have taken more abuse than I have dished out, and I'm willing to continue taking it, because my principles are more important to me than the opinions of other people.

[Hustler]

That is completely wrong and it is so wrong I don't even see the need to explain why it is so wrong. You're posting style expressed your inherent stupidity from the beginning and makes it that much more obvious why you are beneath being anywhere near me. For that matter I'm not even sure why I am replying to this absolute drivel since the 2 seconds it took my brain to process your post was worth more then a million years in yours.

Wrong thread, buddy. You can practice your Hustler impersonations at the pub in the 'Be Hustler' thread. Thanks.

PS - That impression sucked.

[CoHo]

How much do you make a year?

[Hustler]

How much do you make a year?

How big is your penis?

[CoHo]

I thought it was a simple question. You have been stressing how intelligent and successful you are, I would just like to see a measurement of this.

So how much is it?

[Hustler]

I thought it was a simple question. You have been stressing how intelligent and successful you are, I would just like to see a measurement of this.

So your measure of success is how much a person makes per year? Interesting.


So how much is it?

I can't see the point of telling you this information.

[CoHo]

I thought it was a simple question. You have been stressing how intelligent and successful you are, I would just like to see a measurement of this.

You really need to look at your post history. YOUR measurement on success has been on how RICH a person is... open your fucking eyes for just a few seconds


It probably has to do with my definition of rich. If I had to come up with some figure, I'd call millionaires rich. Furthermore, it would be a nice bonus to live well on your climb to being a millionaire. You will be hard-pressed to save very much over a lifetime of earning an average of $53,160, and I don't think you're likely to ever become a millionaire at that rate. After you have reached retirement age, you will probably have just enough saved up to live on a tight budget for your remaining years.

[Hustler]

You really need to look at your post history. YOUR measurement on success has been on how RICH a person is... open your fucking eyes for just a few seconds

You really are stupid. That's a definition of rich, not success, and I don't believe I have equated the two. I have also said that money can buy happiness. I stand by that. But, all the same, how much I make per year is still not anything I feel the need to share with you. You'd probably just accuse me of lying, anyway.

[CoHo]

That's a definition of rich, not success, and I don't believe I have equated the two.
I have also said that money can buy happiness. if money=happiness and happiness=success then money=success...

You need to look at your post history and maybe you would understand why people think you have a mental illness

[Architectonic]

That is completely wrong and it is so wrong I don't even see the need to explain why it is so wrong. You're posting style expressed your inherent stupidity from the beginning and makes it that much more obvious why you are beneath being anywhere near me. For that matter I'm not even sure why I am replying to this absolute drivel since the 2 seconds it took my brain to process your post was worth more then a million years in yours.

Completely harmless. :rofl:

[euterpenc]

I didn't like the options for the poll.

Idk if Hustler is "smart" or not, but he presents logical ideas. Where the discrepancy arises is where the feeling value judgements come in. Suppose Hustler is an asshole? What's wrong with that? Onesidedness is the only problem I see. He just seems to be on the opposite side of the spectrum as everyone else on the site, so naturally, most don't like him. I have noticed that most of the people on here are typical, stereotypical, and rather boring. We need some to come in and make things more exciting. People like Hustler, Shai Gar, and the now gone Edmond Zedo.

Hustler seems like a Mephistopheles to me, and perhaps he is to the rest of you, if anyone has ever read Faust.

[mgb]

I would never complain about the incessant posts which make attacks on me.

That's a flat out lie. You've already talked to admins about it.

What's really funny, and proves you aren't as smart as you think, is your counter-troll strategy. You could have left this thread alone and it would have died after 10 or 20 posts. Instead you are proving what an asshole you are while at the same time keeping the thread alive.

So, thanks for helping me out I guess.

[mgb]

I didn't like the options for the poll.

Idk if Hustler is "smart" or not, but he presents logical ideas. Where the discrepancy arises is where the feeling value judgements come in. Suppose Hustler is an asshole? What's wrong with that? Onesidedness is the only problem I see. He just seems to be on the opposite side of the spectrum as everyone else on the site, so naturally, most don't like him. I have noticed that most of the people on here are typical, stereotypical, and rather boring. We need some to come in and make things more exciting. People like Hustler, Shai Gar, and the now gone Edmond Zedo.

Hustler seems like a Mephistopheles to me, and perhaps he is to the rest of you, if anyone has ever read Faust.

All polls are inherently flawed by their possible options and the options that aren't there.

The problem is, he doesn't present logical ideas, he presents opinions on what he thinks are logical ideas. He'll say, "I have the best strategy." The strategy is the logical idea, calling it the best is his opinion of it. He never actually presents the stategy. So in only presenting his opinions and then responding to anyone that questions him with insults, he isn't going to make any friends.

Mostly, as you can see, he just annoys people.

[cjs55]

I like him, but I really like didactic posting (even when I disagree with it).

[kafkaesque]

Hustler's posts make me think of this Bertrand Russel quote:

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so sure of themselves, but wiser people are so full of doubts."

[Ka.avik]

The problem is, he doesn't present logical ideas, he presents opinions on what he thinks are logical ideas.
[...]
Mostly, as you can see, he just annoys people. Right. When SG posted his "why does everyone hate me?" thread, I told him he was cool, he just held nonstandard opinions. SG is an A*hole, as has been pointed out by his 'cumdumpster' logic.

This fellow is an idiot; it makes his A*hole aspect all the more irritating.

[Hustler]

That's a flat out lie. You've already talked to admins about it.

Are you completely insane? Please, I would love for an admin to share these so-called complaints. It will be impossible, as they don't exist.


What's really funny, and proves you aren't as smart as you think, is your counter-troll strategy. You could have left this thread alone and it would have died after 10 or 20 posts. Instead you are proving what an asshole you are while at the same time keeping the thread alive.

Why would I want to leave this thread alone? I like participating in it. I even gave it a five star rating. I don't care if you and everyone else think I'm an asshole. Those who can see my perspective for what it is can make use of the enlightenment I offer. Those who can't do what they can to discredit me and distance themselves from me in defining me in certains ways and just further imprison themselves in their ego-wrought shells.

[Hustler]

if money=happiness and happiness=success then money=success...

That's not the complete equation. You're jumping to conclusions. Think of it like buying a gun in America with the Brady bill in place. Not only do you need the money, but you need to pass a background check as well. The point is, money is only one part of the equation.

Try to be less retarded. Thanks.

[Hustler]

The problem is, he doesn't present logical ideas, he presents opinions on what he thinks are logical ideas. He'll say, "I have the best strategy." The strategy is the logical idea, calling it the best is his opinion of it. He never actually presents the stategy. So in only presenting his opinions and then responding to anyone that questions him with insults, he isn't going to make any friends.

My ideas are logical. I'm generally right. I'm not here to make friends.


Mostly, as you can see, he just annoys people.

I annoy stupid people.

[Last Song]

Yes, evidently his p-ness isn't very large at all. :ph34r:

Hehehehe. :ph34r: *stabstab*

[CoHo]

That's not the complete equation. You're jumping to conclusions.

I posted your quotes, if you can't even convince yourself of your own writing then there is no hope for you.



My ideas are logical. I'm generally right. I'm not here to make friends.

WHAT FUCKING IDEAS?! You haven't posted anything but complete bullshit like 'Crush those beneath you' Is that a fucking idea? Is that what you call success? Is that this hidden inner core of truth that you adhere will solve everyone’s problem? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Seriously, I think you have some pretty fucked up lifestyle issues and it is bleeding through by your posting style. In real life you are likely an arrogant prick who is so mad at the world he lashes out at people that challenge your ideas by calling them stupid, no matter how much better those ideas were if they were not your own then they were worthless.

Either that our you are some reclusive nobody that wants to build a fabrication that he can pull over himself for a few hours a day; A tiny nitch in the world where he can feel somewhat in control.

Who the hell do you think you are? How do you know us to assume you are so much better? Do you know how much I make a year? How many houses I have? How many 18 year old virgins I bang a night or how long my dick is? That seems to be your yardstick for success and what if I have surpassed you by a fucking mile? What if my life is every bit that of your just twice as good? What if I have a hotter girlfriend then you? Should you listen to what I have to say then? Does that make me a better person? Should I start posting my guidelines to success and how I earned my first million?

If you met someone with the exact same attitude as yourself you would hate him just as much as we hate you.

You depress me because you are so pathetic

[euterpenc]

Why do you hate him?

[mgb]

My ideas are logical. I'm generally right. I'm not here to make friends.



I annoy stupid people.

Why are you wasting your time here then? 90% of the people here are annoyed by you.

And trust me, smart people are easily annoyed by you as well, very easily.

[CoHo]

Three reasons.

People that think they are intelligent bother me because that implies that they don't have anything more to learn. Life should be a quest for knowledge and nothing else. If you are intelligent now then why bother learning anything more? People like to reach a point where they can just relax and settle... hey I'm a genius I don't need to spend my time reading all those books now. That is a foolish way to live, you should constantly be challenging yourself and you should never consider yourself more intelligent then another person.

A person that thinks he is intelligent so much so that he has no problems announcing this in front of a crowded room full of people he's never met is an imbecile. I have no idea who Hustler is just like he has no idea who I am. I could be more successful and intelligent than he will ever be, or maybe I'm not. Since I don't know him then I can't say. Does he have any way to know that I am not more successful then he is? If he doesn't then why would he insist that he is? Don't you find that hard to swallow?

Finally I am not interested in someone ‘teaching me’. I love to learn new things and I love to hear different opinions but only from people that respect that all they have is an opinion. Anyone that speaks of opinion in the veal of fact is a fool. Anyone that tries to hand down sagely advice to people he has never met is an idiot.
Some of these quirks bother me more then other, all three combined creates a very undesirable person

[mgb]

Three reasons.

People that think they are intelligent bother me because that implies that they don't have anything more to learn. Life should be a quest for knowledge and nothing else. If you are intelligent now then why bother learning anything more? People like to reach a point where they can just relax and settle... hey I'm a genius I don't need to spend my time reading all those books now. That is a foolish way to live, you should constantly be challenging yourself and you should never consider yourself more intelligent then another person.

A person that thinks he is intelligent so much so that he has no problems announcing this in front of a crowded room full of people he's never met is an imbecile. I have no idea who Hustler is just like he has no idea who I am. I could be more successful and intelligent than he will ever be, or maybe I'm not. Since I don't know him then I can't say. Does he have any way to know that I am not more successful then he is? If he doesn't then why would he insist that he is? Don't you find that hard to swallow?

Finally I am not interested in someone ‘teaching me’. I love to learn new things and I love to hear different opinions but only from people that respect that all they have is an opinion. Anyone that speaks of opinion in the veal of fact is a fool. Anyone that tries to hand down sagely advice to people he has never met is an idiot.

I'm going to add to your third point and say that someone who is truly intelligent (at least in my experience) takes the time to listen to others opinions. There may be a teacher/student relationship, but every teacher I've ever met is part student in that relationship. When you lose that student dynamic you become a preacher, not a teacher.

[euterpenc]

Three reasons.

People that think they are intelligent bother me because that implies that they don't have anything more to learn. Life should be a quest for knowledge and nothing else. If you are intelligent now then why bother learning anything more? People like to reach a point where they can just relax and settle... hey I'm a genius I don't need to spend my time reading all those books now. That is a foolish way to live, you should constantly be challenging yourself and you should never consider yourself more intelligent then another person.

A person that thinks he is intelligent so much so that he has no problems announcing this in front of a crowded room full of people he's never met is an imbecile. I have no idea who Hustler is just like he has no idea who I am. I could be more successful and intelligent than he will ever be, or maybe I'm not. Since I don't know him then I can't say. Does he have any way to know that I am not more successful then he is? If he doesn't then why would he insist that he is? Don't you find that hard to swallow?

Finally I am not interested in someone ‘teaching me’. I love to learn new things and I love to hear different opinions but only from people that respect that all they have is an opinion. Anyone that speaks of opinion in the veal of fact is a fool. Anyone that tries to hand down sagely advice to people he has never met is an idiot.
Some of these quirks bother me more then other, all three combined creates a very undesirable person

All three of these problems are your fault, not Hustler's. What he does should not make you angry. Are his activities destructive to your life? Is that his fault, or yours?

You keep saying he's this and he's that. Perhaps you should examine yourself. Hustler too, if he has not already done so. Perhaps Hustler has examined himself and others and has found that his thoughts and ideas are correct. You on the other hand, seem to be attacking someone who may or may not be better than you, in attempt to bring him down. If you want to battle him, bring yourself to a new level higher, rather than try to bring him down.

[CoHo]

If you want to battle him, bring yourself to a new level higher, rather than try to bring him down.

Why does it bother you so much that you have to defend him? Is he that high on your pedestal that my insults are affecting you as well?

The answer is we are here to interact with other people, this isn't a blog. Therefore sometimes we interact with people we don't like. I don't like Hustler for the very valid reasons I outlined, and I want him to know that.

I want see if he can think beyond his ego

Maybe you are right, maybe I'm the one who should go. First Songbird, then Thermo, then Swift now Hustler, I don't think I can take all of these idiots.

[Hustler]

People that think they are intelligent bother me because that implies that they don't have anything more to learn. Life should be a quest for knowledge and nothing else. If you are intelligent now then why bother learning anything more? People like to reach a point where they can just relax and settle... hey I'm a genius I don't need to spend my time reading all those books now. That is a foolish way to live, you should constantly be challenging yourself and you should never consider yourself more intelligent then another person.

You are equating intelligence with knowledge and that is a tremendous mistake. While it is true I have both in great quantity, I realize there are (a) more intelligent people than I am (meshou, for example) and, (b) people who have more knowledge than I do. And, you're right, I should be challenging myself. I think that is one of the things I've been saying to people all along. However, I have gotten sidetracked into answering the baseless attacks of fools like you.


A person that thinks he is intelligent so much so that he has no problems announcing this in front of a crowded room full of people he's never met is an imbecile. I have no idea who Hustler is just like he has no idea who I am. I could be more successful and intelligent than he will ever be, or maybe I'm not. Since I don't know him then I can't say. Does he have any way to know that I am not more successful then he is? If he doesn't then why would he insist that he is? Don't you find that hard to swallow?

I'm not an imbecile, I'm just pissing you off. There is a difference. If you cannot tell, then it is you who we should be accusing of outright arrogance and foolishness. I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because your attacks on my intelligence will find no purchase. I am simply above letting the opinions of a frustrated poster on this site influence me.


Finally I am not interested in someone ‘teaching me’. I love to learn new things and I love to hear different opinions but only from people that respect that all they have is an opinion. Anyone that speaks of opinion in the veal of fact is a fool. Anyone that tries to hand down sagely advice to people he has never met is an idiot.
Some of these quirks bother me more then other, all three combined creates a very undesirable person

You are simply closed-minded, that is all. You should strive to be above that, but if you never manage to open your mind, you won't be any worse off than the vast majority of people on the planet. But, if you do, you will understand that there is something to be learned from anyone, even someone you (incorrectly) consider an arrogant fool.

But wait, there's more...


WHAT FUCKING IDEAS?! You haven't posted anything but complete bullshit like 'Crush those beneath you' Is that a fucking idea? Is that what you call success? Is that this hidden inner core of truth that you adhere will solve everyone’s problem? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Seriously, I think you have some pretty fucked up lifestyle issues and it is bleeding through by your posting style. In real life you are likely an arrogant prick who is so mad at the world he lashes out at people that challenge your ideas by calling them stupid, no matter how much better those ideas were if they were not your own then they were worthless.

Either that our you are some reclusive nobody that wants to build a fabrication that he can pull over himself for a few hours a day; A tiny nitch in the world where he can feel somewhat in control.

Please, attack me more. Show us that you are so insecure with yourself that you must make assumptions about my life to protect your own ego. Accuse me of shortcomings and ills. Call me names, resort to playground tactics to erase me from the internet and make yourself feel better. I'm just glad I could help.


Who the hell do you think you are? How do you know us to assume you are so much better? Do you know how much I make a year? How many houses I have? How many 18 year old virgins I bang a night or how long my dick is? That seems to be your yardstick for success and what if I have surpassed you by a fucking mile? What if my life is every bit that of your just twice as good? What if I have a hotter girlfriend then you? Should you listen to what I have to say then? Does that make me a better person? Should I start posting my guidelines to success and how I earned my first million?

Yeah! Now that's what I'm talking about when I say I want you to attack me more. And yes, I think you should post your guidelines to success. If I've learned nothing else about you from this exchange, it is that you are very insecure and you want the world to know that you are successful and, specifically, more successful than I am. I think you should share. Don't let yourself get all emotional and angry because of me, just use my apparently infuriating presence here as a means to tell us how much greater you are than me. Tell us how hot your girlfriend is. Tell us how much you make in a year, I know you want to share. That, not my posts, is what is eating away at you. You need someone to pat you on the back. I'm here for you, I would love to hear the stories of an INTP triumphing in this world on all fronts, I think it would be inspiring for all of us. My mind is open and I am prepared to learn your wisdom.


If you met someone with the exact same attitude as yourself you would hate him just as much as we hate you.

I love myself. A lot.


The answer is we are here to interact with other people, this isn't a blog. Therefore sometimes we interact with people we don't like. I don't like Hustler for the very valid reasons I outlined, and I want him to know that.

That's fine. I can live with that if you can, but I think you're missing out.


Maybe you are right, maybe I'm the one who should go.

But your crusade to track down all of the "idiots" and destroy them is so noble. What would INTPcentral do without you?

[jyakulis]

Blah, blah, blah. I see you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is. I guarantee you I'm not an INTJ, why won't you take me up on that bet?

You don't have any way of proving what type you are, idiot. If you had any WISDOM about MBTI you'd understand that. Making bets ain't gonna prove to me you are an INTP or an INTJ. You'vedone nothing but annoye me since day 1 being here, but I chose to ignore you hoping you'd just be a normal member of the board eventually. But maybe that was me going soft.

[s0978]

Hustler, why are you such an asshole?

[Star]

We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're no friends of mine

Say, we can go where we want to, a place that they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind

And we can dance

We can go when we want to, the night is young and so am I
And we can dress real neat from our hats to our feet
And surprise them with the victory cry

Say, we can act if we want to, if we don't nobody will
And you can act real rude or totally removed
And I can act like an imbecile

Safety Dance
Say we can dance, we can dance
Everything's out of control
We can dance, we can dance
They're doing it from pole to pole
We can dance, we can dance
Everybody look at your hands
We can dance, we can dance
Everybody taken the chance

The safety dance
The safety dance
The safety dance

We can dance if we want to, we've got all your life and mine
As long as we abuse it we are never going to lose it
And everything will work out right

Say, we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
well they're no friend of mine

[PiccoloNamek]

Huster seems to me like the kind of person that would stand on a drowning man's shoulders to save his own life. I say this as an objective observation, without malice. I simply get the feeling that he might be somewhat ruthless.

All in all though, I don't really care either way about Hustler. What he says or does here doesn't concern me at all. All of this fucking idiot and posting out of a library stuff seems to me to be rather childish and not at all like INTP behavior. Get a grip people. You shouldn't let people get under your skin like that.

[shum]

what a bunch of nasty. tsk. tsk.

if you people are going to call someone out on intelligence, learn to spell. you will seem smarter that way.
and this thread is full of personal feeling, stick to thinking. thats your gig isnt it?

[Hustler]

You don't have any way of proving what type you are, idiot. If you had any WISDOM about MBTI you'd understand that. Making bets ain't gonna prove to me you are an INTP or an INTJ. You'vedone nothing but annoye me since day 1 being here, but I chose to ignore you hoping you'd just be a normal member of the board eventually. But maybe that was me going soft.

Shhh. I'm hoping someone will take the bet. Why do you have to be such a know-it-all? By the way, I hope you see the irony in all of this, what with the whole unfalsifiability of MBTI and all.

[s0978]

Sometimes I feel I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get away
From the pain that you drive into the heart of me
The love we share
Seems to go nowhere
And I've lost my light
For I toss and turn I can't sleep at night

(chorus)
Once I ran to you (I ran)
Now I'll run from you
This tainted love you've given
I give you all a boy could give you
Take my tears and that's not nearly all
Oh...tainted love
Tainted love

Now I know I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get away
You don't really want IT any more from me
To make things right
You need someone to hold you tight
And you'LL think love is to pray
But I'm sorry I don't pray that way

(chorus...)

Don't touch me please
I cannot stand the way you tease
I love you though you hurt me so
Now I'm going to pack my things and go
Tainted love, tainted love (x2)
Touch me baby, tainted love (x2)
Tainted love (x3)

[Hustler]

Hustler, why are you such an asshole?

Why don't you tell me? I know I am perceived as a jackass, and I'm even willing to say as much. But, of course, I blame the limitations of others for this label.

[shum]

going down the kitchen at the top of the stairs
can I mix in with your affairs
share a smoke, make a joke
grasp and reach for a leg of hope
words to memorize, words hypnotize
words make my mouth exercise
words all failed the magic prize

[Star]

PS:

Wrong, sir! Wrong! Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if -- and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy -- "I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained," et cetera, et cetera... "Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum," et cetera, et cetera... "Memo bis punitor delicatum"! It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!

[mgb]

what a bunch of nasty. tsk. tsk.

if you people are going to call someone out on intelligence, learn to spell. you will seem smarter that way.
and this thread is full of personal feeling, stick to thinking. thats your gig isnt it?

Isn't ENFP Haven your gig?

If you don't like this thread or forum for that matter, head over to N Central.

[euterpenc]

Why does it bother you so much that you have to defend him? Is he that high on your pedestal that my insults are affecting you as well?

The answer is we are here to interact with other people, this isn't a blog. Therefore sometimes we interact with people we don't like. I don't like Hustler for the very valid reasons I outlined, and I want him to know that.

I want see if he can think beyond his ego

Maybe you are right, maybe I'm the one who should go. First Songbird, then Thermo, then Swift now Hustler, I don't think I can take all of these idiots.

It doesn't bother me. I find both sides to be not completely correct, Hustler is just more right than most of you. You all fall into his trap, and he wins everytime. You can say I "defend" him because I like playing devil's advocate. It's no fun going along and agreeing with the majority.

You people seem really angry, and it IS because of insecurity, and fear. Your world is being intruded upon, and new views are being added. God forbid authority in your world is questioned. "Is it possible I'm wrong?" is what you are asking yourself. Hustler raises doubt in your breast, and you don't like it.

A change is refreshing, especially with all the bland "INTP" conversation we get here.

[Star]

Get my lipstick. It's in my purse. Has anyone seen my purse? It has all my cards in it. God, my mom's gonna kill me.

[melancholeric]

Get my lipstick. It's in my purse. Has anyone seen my purse? It has all my cards in it. God, my mom's gonna kill me.
I think ShadyLady-or-whatever-the-latest-troll-wants-to-call-itself might have stolen that.

[Imen de Naars]

I like Hustler. Maybe it's just a bit rude but hey, since this is an NT forum, hopefully you won't take this personally.

[YardGnome]

Upon reading this thread I had no opinion on the matter but after reading a few threads whereupon the culprit has spewed forth his "great" wisdom I'd have to agree... Definitely a douche...

For example...


Don't listen to the people who have "contributed" their worthless ideas to this thread so far, as it is very clear that they have not devised and implemented a winning strategy in the game of life. Most of them have not even determined what it means to win, and instead hide behind a veil of iconoclasm to shield them from their own malaise. Malaise is not inevitable, it only comes through selecting a weak strategy to use in the game of life. As an INTP, you can rise above poor strategy.

Let go of your moral inhibitions and unrealistic idealism regarding your fellow man and crush them under the force of your cold, rational will.

If you want specific and confidential elaboration on these things, I will be happy to share them with you in a private conversation. But, the majority of the rest of this board is simply not ready for this knowledge.

What the fuck is that??? I suppose you hold the answers then to all of life's mysteries? Enlighten me, let me bask in your great wisdom...

[Architectonic]

Three reasons.
People that think they are intelligent bother me because that implies that they don't have anything more to learn. Life should be a quest for knowledge and nothing else. If you are intelligent now then why bother learning anything more? People like to reach a point where they can just relax and settle... hey I'm a genius I don't need to spend my time reading all those books now. That is a foolish way to live, you should constantly be challenging yourself and you should never consider yourself more intelligent then another person.


I think you are confusing the terms knowledgeable and intelligence. Intelligence is the ability or potential to aquire and apply knowledge, whereas someone who is knowledgeable possesses or displays knowledge.

The bothersome characteristic that Huster displays is his know-it-all attitude. It is the continual pushing of his dogmatic views and his unwillingness to consider opinions that are different from his own.

(Hustler isn't necessarily the only one with those characteristics though.) ;)


It doesn't bother me. I find both sides to be not completely correct, Hustler is just more right than most of you. You all fall into his trap, and he wins everytime. You can say I "defend" him because I like playing devil's advocate. It's no fun going along and agreeing with the majority.

Are you really disagreeing with the majority?
Can you objectively prove that he is more right than most of the people who disagree with him?



You people seem really angry, and it IS because of insecurity, and fear. Your world is being intruded upon, and new views are being added. God forbid authority in your world is questioned. "Is it possible I'm wrong?" is what you are asking yourself. Hustler raises doubt in your breast, and you don't like it.

LOL

Maybe its because his views aren't all that original and he doesn't seem to back them up with anything other than thin air.


A change is refreshing, especially with all the bland "INTP" conversation we get here.

Then why do you bother coming here at all if you find it bland?

[YardGnome]

You people seem really angry, and it IS because of insecurity, and fear. Your world is being intruded upon, and new views are being added. God forbid authority in your world is questioned. "Is it possible I'm wrong?" is what you are asking yourself. Hustler raises doubt in your breast, and you don't like it.

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...

[euterpenc]

Then why do you bother coming here at all if you find it bland?

To see if anything interesting comes up.

It was my mistake for defending Hustler, I really don't care about the whole topic. Also, this point has probably been made before, but Hustler does seem to be able to handle things himself, what would he need someone else to defend him for?

[Watermark]

I'm going to add to your third point and say that someone who is truly intelligent (at least in my experience) takes the time to listen to others opinions. There may be a teacher/student relationship, but every teacher I've ever met is part student in that relationship. When you lose that student dynamic you become a preacher, not a teacher.

I agree with your comments and observation. It has been my experience as well. The best teachers are the ones that are capable of being open to learning from others. A teacher who, as intelligent and as knowledgeable as they may appear, is also wise enough to humble themselves to the possibility of learning from their student, to not think themselves so above or superior to their student as to belittle the them or degrade the learning experience. There is nothing like calling your students 'baffoons', 'idiots' or 'stupid', or shoving unwanted philosophy down a student's throat, to close the mind from learning.

[Dman]

I'm remaining neutral here for the time, since I've been away from the board for a while and don't know much about what's going on, but glancing through this thread a thought occurred (hallejuh! A thought!) -

Why would anyone who had figured out the "game" of life and was immensely successful bother to spend time posting on some random INTP website (no offense to INTP Central)? Wouldn't there be a lot more interesting/entertaining things to do and keep one such as that occupied?

Unless, of course, your idea of success involved posting things on a bulletin board. If that's the case, I'm much more successful than I thought I was. Cool.

[indie]

Hustler, I've read all the posts you posted and have meditated. Afterward, I drew the conclusion that we are all very wrong about you. At first, I did not realize you were like me. This understanding of wisdom and truth we share is as divine as the sunshine warming a placid pool of water. But the fish. The small beings underneath the surface do not realize that the warmth of creation comes from above. . . from a place that is so far beyond their understanding that they cannot even begin to comprehend it.

These fetid creatures amongst us have tainted the very essence of humanity, with their insults and belittlings of our divine calling as Teachers of Truth. It is not our place to judge them, merely to smile at their futile attempts. Any angst they lash out with as a self-defense mechanism is wasted, as all wasteful things want. In time, perhaps, will they understand. And now, Master Hustler, I bow before thee, as thy servant.

"I sit at my table and wage war on myself
It seems like it's all, it's all for nothing.
I know the barricades, and
I know the mortar in the wall breaks
I recognize the weapons. I've used them well.
This is my mistake. Let me make it good.
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down.
I've a rich understanding of my finest defenses:
I proclaim that claims are left-unstated,
I demand a rematch.
I decree a stalemate.
I divine my deeper motives.
I recognize the weapons.
I've practiced them well, I fitted them
Myself.
It's amazing what devices you can sympathize, empathize.
This is my mistake. Let me make it good.
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down.
Reach out for me, hold me tight, hold that memory.
Let my machine talk to me. Let my machine talk to me.

This is my world, and
I am world leader pretend.
This is my life, and
This is my time.
I have been given the freedom to do as I see fit.
It's high time I razed the walls that I've
Constructed.
It's amazing what devices you can sympathize
This is my mistake. Let me make it good.
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down.
You fill in the mortar.
You fill in the harmony.
You fill in the mortar.
You fill in the harmony.
I raised the wall and I am the only one, I will be the one to knock it down."

[Lee]

:rofl:

We should have a section for the best posts ever! this would have to be included.

[Watermark]

Hmm, looks like making of a new cult - "The Divine Teachers of Truth"

Indiejade's inspirational words can become the Divine Knowledge Creed. We can all stand side-by-side in a figure 8 sign, signifying 'knowledge at infinity', hold hands and chant the words to the creed.

Lee's avatar could be used as the Logo representing the fish.

[Hustler]

Why would anyone who had figured out the "game" of life and was immensely successful bother to spend time posting on some random INTP website (no offense to INTP Central)? Wouldn't there be a lot more interesting/entertaining things to do and keep one such as that occupied?

I have a lot of free time and, well, INTPcentral is kind of interesting and definitely entertaining. What is it you do when you're not posting here?

[cwazyonyx]

I am insulted daily here. Called a troll, labelled an INTJ/ENFJ/etc., all because I am willing to post beliefs and information many consider incorrect. I maintain it is they who are wrong, and that people with an open mind can benefit from my ideas. For this greater cause -- the presentation of TRUTH -- I am willing to sit here and take the abuse.


Ann Coulter thinks she's always right too. She's "right" but she's not right.

[kuranes]

WHAT ideas? If all you're referring to is advising people to be creative, and make their own rules, that's fine. But that's like saying "It's usually cold in the winter". Not a false statement, but not really helpful to anyone but a 2 year old. The threads concerning you are long ones, to be sure, but very sparse on any real ideas coming from you, and instead heavy on you finger pointing at other people on the forum, telling them they ought to avoid unhappiness and other obvious moves. Lately you've hinted that you will give specifics only in PM's, which was not mentioned before. In fact, I invited you to PM me waaaay back at the beginning of this, before I joined in the criticism. You never communicated a thing. Instead you just continued to thrash around the way you've been doing since. Maybe that's all you'll ever do.

[Hustler]

WHAT ideas? If all you're referring to is advising people to be creative, and make their own rules, that's fine. But that's like saying "It's usually cold in the winter". Not a false statement, but not really helpful to anyone but a 2 year old. The threads concerning you are long ones, to be sure, but very sparse on any real ideas coming from you, and instead heavy on you finger pointing at other people on the forum, telling them they ought to avoid unhappiness and other obvious moves. Lately you've hinted that you will give specifics only in PM's, which was not mentioned before. In fact, I invited you to PM me waaaay back at the beginning of this, before I joined in the criticism. You never communicated a thing. Instead you just continued to thrash around the way you've been doing since. Maybe that's all you'll ever do.

Your invitation was insincere, at best. Furthermore, you do not qualify as one I would enlighten in private messages. You are not ready.

[mgb]

Your invitation was insincere, at best. Furthermore, you do not qualify as one I would enlighten in private messages. You are not ready.

Poor grasshopper.

*snicker*

[Serotonin]

FWIW, Hustler's advice in "what is wrong with you people" I pretty much agree with. It's just the style, not the substance that is so un-INTPish. Just the "This is the way it is, this is what you should do, and that's all there is to it" style of delivery is grating. Usually I have a bit more doubt in my mind, and just have to take the extra time to consider all points of view, before I come to conclusions similar to his. If that makes me a soft-cock pansy, so be it. I have no desire to slip into the arrogant jackass jumpsuit, because it's just not me.

Edit: This is why the "Be Hustler" thread was created, to mock his assholishness, not necessarily his arguments.

[Lee]

FWIW, Hustler's advice in "what is wrong with you people" I pretty much agree with. It's just the style, not the substance that is so un-INTPish. Just the "This is the way it is, this is what you should do, and that's all there is to it" style of delivery is grating. Usually I have a bit more doubt in my mind, and just have to take the extra time to consider all points of view, before I come to conclusions similar to his. If that makes me a soft-cock pansy, so be it. I have no desire to slip into the arrogant jackass jumpsuit, because it's just not me.

Edit: This is why the "Be Hustler" thread was created, to mock his assholishness, not necessarily his arguments.The problem with hustler's sermons is that they only apply if you want the same things as hustler (or at least very similar things), I do not want to be the person or live the life that hustler describes, because I do not want it, his preachings do not apply (interesting though they may be). Upon reaching this obstacle hustler then proceeds to try and convince people that they must have something wrong with them and do in fact want the same as him e.g. The not really introverts thread, or the incessent underhand comments and snide remarks are good examples of this.

The problem is that these totally subjective biased arguments outlive thier worth because neither side will give up an unwinnable debate.

[euterpenc]

Hustler, can you condense your ideas into one post? or at least a series of posts, so we can actually find out if you've even set forth any ideas?

[kuranes]

Poor grasshopper.

*snicker*
I was open to hearing what his scam was, if anything. After a time it looked like the scam or "hustle" was just to waste people's time on this forum. We'll see what he says now that Zeitgeist is actually calling him out. I predict that it will be more of the same B.S. But he seems to feel that Zeitgeist is "ready" for his ideas. So it will be a tug of war inside Hustler. Does he go with his Gut, and just reel out more B.S.? Or does he give his protege Zeitgeist a little something? Of course, he could say that he PM'd Zeitgeist specifics, but I think Z would admit if the advice PM'd was just more generalities, wouldn't you Z? Heh Heh *TV quiz show "clock is ticking while we wait on your answer" music begins to play*

[Sally]

I was open to hearing what his scam was, if anything. After a time it looked like the scam or "hustle" was just to waste people's time on this forum. We'll see what he says now that Zeitgeist is actually calling him out. I predict that it will be more of the same B.S. But he seems to feel that Zeitgeist is "ready" for his ideas. So it will be a tug of war inside Hustler. Does he go with his Gut, and just reel out more B.S.? Or does he give his protege Zeitgeist a little something? Of course, he could say that he PM'd Zeitgeist specifics, but I think Z would admit if the advice PM'd was just more generalities, wouldn't you Z? Heh Heh *TV quiz show "clock is ticking while we wait on your answer" music begins to play*

Now, now. We mustn't pressure young Z to play the spy. That path to Darkness leads.

[kuranes]

I wasn't asking him to "spy". Just to be honest about whether any specifics were supplied in a PM, or if it was more "business as usual" from Hustler. ( I wouldn't ask Z to tell me what the specifics were. )

[Hustler]

Hustler, can you condense your ideas into one post? or at least a series of posts, so we can actually find out if you've even set forth any ideas?

I could not condense my ideas into one post. Besides, my very specific ideas are only useful when tailored to an individual's own needs and desires. I offered a basic and generic outline of my ideas at the outset of the 'What is wrong with you people?' thread and some further elaboration in some of the subsequent posts.

Anyway, you know what you have to do if you want to explore my world of ideas and decide if any of them are for you. My door is open.

[kuranes]

So, once more. . . . . . .nothing.

[Dman]

I have a lot of free time and, well, INTPcentral is kind of interesting and definitely entertaining.

Fair enough. Still don't buy it though.

The implication that I have received from you is that you are financially independent. Being financially independent has its qualifications, however, including what kind of lifestyle you have. Homeless people are typically financially independent. They get free meals, shelter, and if they need some spending money they ask people for it. However most people would not consider that a pleasant lifestyle.

I think it's fair to say that most people's definition of financial independence means they can afford a comfortable, pleasant lifestyle without having to work for it, or at least with minimal effort.

I could be mistaken though, perhaps you are not financially independent. But that is the implication, is it not, that you are "successful" and have plenty of time on your hands? Again though, YOUR idea of successful may be similar to a homeless person's - having very little cash outflows, very little assets, thus no need for much cash inflows. I don't think that would fit the majority of people's definition of successful, nor would it result in much happiness.


What is it you do when you're not posting here?

When not posting here I work in a cubicle for a large corporation, putting in a lot of overtime while compensated with a relatively underpaid salary and pretty good benefits. Oh yeah, surrounded by people I don't fit in with. It's the price I pay for the lifestyle I've chosen to live.

Am I content? No. I'm constantly looking for a "better way". But I'm not miserable either, in fact I have it pretty good. It's all relative. And all options must be weighed out - I could support myself robbing banks, but to me, it's not worth the risk (aside from the moral ramifications). I could also start day-trading and gamble my money in hopes of a big payoff. Again not worth the risk to me. Everything is a trade-off between risks and rewards, and everyone has a different level of tolerance.

Your "secret method" is no exception. If you claim it has "very little or no risk" but "huge rewards" then you're no different than any other "get-rich quick" shyster.

[YardGnome]

Anyway, you know what you have to do if you want to explore my world of ideas and decide if any of them are for you. My door is open.

Let's here them then all great and knowing one. I'm all... Ear I mean Eyes...

[Ka.avik]

A true sign of a BS salesman. He's willing to "give it away for free" ... but only if you entice him. Either he's selling something after all, or his "plan" is nothing more than a little common sense, and would only make sense to you if you've already come to his conclusions.

I like the image of him actually being an ENFP who mistatkes himself for an INTP. Have seen that happen -- I'll probably post elsewhen about it...

[Dman]

Didn't take much to remove the wind from those sails, did it?

[Hustler]

Didn't take much to remove the wind from those sails, did it?

That's not entirely accurate. What happened was that you and this thread started to bore me to death. Even I get tired of threads about how great I am. But, I will humor you.

I could belittle you for being a corporate cog, sitting in a cubicle, unsatisfied with your lot in life, but what would be the point? What you don't seem to understand is that I offer no method, only a perspective. You analyze things in terms of risk and reward, but you neglect the risk you are running by rotting in your cubicle everyday. You say you have it good, but we both know that is a lie. Where you are and where you want to be are so far apart, the only way you can stand it is by trying to convince yourself you have it good. Sure, maybe compared to a dirt farmer in Sierra Leone you have it good, but is that enough to keep you happy?

[kuranes]

Hustler, you're about to discover why I nicknamed D-Man "the cheerful pugilist". Of course, you'll have to wear your boxing belt at waist height, and actually hit back in a timely manner, not use knives in lieu of fists, etc. ( Munches popcorn )

Hustler - Well, you decided to move your boxing belt up past your nose, so that only your eyes and toupee peek out from under there. At this rate you'll soon be tying it over your head. You'll continue to command a dwindling amount of attention on this board, but only as a figure stumbling around blindly in this outfit while people pelt it with old tomatoes, dog turds etc.

Why don't you "start over" with some fresh observations, since you're obviously unable to give in on this? Like that knight in the Monty Python movie who is still saying "Come on, you pussies, FIGHT" after all his arms and legs have been chopped off.

[Dman]

That's not entirely accurate. What happened was that you and this thread started to bore me to death. Even I get tired of threads about how great I am. But, I will humor you.

I could belittle you for being a corporate cog, sitting in a cubicle, unsatisfied with your lot in life, but what would be the point? What you don't seem to understand is that I offer no method, only a perspective. You analyze things in terms of risk and reward, but you neglect the risk you are running by rotting in your cubicle everyday. You say you have it good, but we both know that is a lie. Where you are and where you want to be are so far apart, the only way you can stand it is by trying to convince yourself you have it good. Sure, maybe compared to a dirt farmer in Sierra Leone you have it good, but is that enough to keep you happy?

….and bait taken. :)

Funny the thread got boring when someone starting asking the tough questions.

I wasn't necessarily attacking you, just trying to read through the cryptic comments to try & understand the heart of what you are saying. You had no refute to what I had put out there, so my inference is that there is no substance to what you’ve said. Prove me wrong, I’m listening, as I’m sure others are.

I get the whole “why do it if it’s not fun” thing, with regards to working for a living, but I’ve never heard any valid alternatives that didn’t have some sort of trade-off, like I mentioned earlier. You seem to be proposing something that is “win-win”, i.e. no trade-offs, all you have to do is throw your moral inhibitions out the window. I say BS, but again, I’m patiently waiting/listening to be enlightened.

None of this “PM me” stuff either, that’s a cop-out. If you can put your supercilious comments all over the board publicly, you can put your “answers” out publicly as well, eh?

As for belittling me for being a corporate cog, that is fine with me, I can handle it. I once washed dishes for a living too; made pizzas; did some janitorial work; drove delivery trucks. They all seem more productive than spouting off about “TRUE happiness” with some enlightened “perspective” on an internet bulletin board. (You aren’t some sort of spammer, are you?)

Speaking of boring, anyone can speak about “perspectives”. Who cares about your perspective if your entire method of delivery is by insulting everyone and claiming transcendental insights that you conveniently don’t feel at liberty to share? We only care if you are willing to share details rather than vague references and obvious, everyday perspectives. There are a billion people who can say “you are all whiners, the key is to be happy, I know how”. That is essentially what you have said to date, so don’t wonder when people are curious to hear more but lose interest/respect when you don’t have anything more to offer except “figure it out” or “I’ll tell you when you’re ready”.

I think you are “ready” to hear that you’re probably the quickest example of someone who went from interesting to troll that I’ve seen on this board.

I apologize if I sound harsh or offensive, but I’m getting frustrated with the empty innuendo after spending so much time reading your posts, only to be left hanging. Seems like a typical example of a windbag. Again, I’m listening and willing to retract and give a second chance, if there’s anything there to be heard.

[indie]

Hustler, the problem with your vision of "enlightenment" is that it isn't actually about enlightenment for the individual, its about enlightenment for you. . .

You, as an individual, are the only one who is able to perceive enlightenement from your perception that others are perceiving/coveting your enlightenment. If you were truly an enlightened soul, you would not go about enlightening us with all of this gibberish, and you *certainly* would not be so ____________ about it all.

[cjs55]

He certainly should make more posts like his first (I liked that one).

The most essential part about trying to impart any sort of advice is predicting others reactions and manipulating them accordingly to produce the desired effects/learning. Thus, this could all be part of a master plan, but I'm not so certain what the effects are yet.


(edit: The most most essential part? I'm a fucking idiot.)

[mgb]

He certainly should make more posts like his first (I liked that one).

The most essential part about trying to impart any sort of advice is predicting others reactions and manipulating them accordingly to produce the desired effects/learning. Thus, this could all be part of a master plan, but I'm not so certain what the effects are yet.


(edit: The most most essential part? I'm a fucking idiot.)

I believe what you are describing can better be described by the verb troll.

[sbw]

mg, to my knowledge troll is a noun--does it have a (verb-form) internet-specific meaning? I realize this might be one of those things that everyone knows but me--like my brother called me a "noob" the other day, and when I asked what that was, he explained that it is a sort of catch-all insult used in interactive computer RPG's, with which I'm unfamilar

Scott

[ApeTheDog]

Aha! I know this.

The word troll has it's roots in usenet - which is something that is older than browsers and also worked with threads people could give their opinions in - and it started being used there to describe somebody who starts arguments for the sake of starting them, not because he disagrees. They needed to come up with a new word to describe it because people behaving like that do not exist in real life. I don't know why the picked troll. Maybe because you can only kill them by flaming them to death?

The word noob (or n00b as it tends to be spelled) is short for newbie, which basically just means you suck at the game in such a degree as that people would think you had never played it before.

I think wikipedia will have entries about troll. They tend to have a lot of information about internet history stuff like that.

[mgb]

Aha! I know this.

The word troll has it's roots in usenet - which is something that is older than browsers and also worked with threads people could give their opinions in - and it started being used there to describe somebody who starts arguments for the sake of starting them, not because he disagrees. They needed to come up with a new word to describe it because people behaving like that do not exist in real life. I don't know why the picked troll. Maybe because you can only kill them by flaming them to death?

The word noob (or n00b as it tends to be spelled) is short for newbie, which basically just means you suck at the game in such a degree as that people would think you had never played it before.

I think wikipedia will have entries about troll. They tend to have a lot of information about internet history stuff like that.


I've always equated troll with fishing, like you are trolling for people to comment on your post. The "troll" is less about the person and more about the post at that point. In fact, a good troll (noun) won't have much to do with their original post after the bait has been set.

[meshou]

I've always equated troll with fishing, like you are trolling for people to comment on your post. The "troll" is less about the person and more about the post at that point. In fact, a good troll (noun) won't have much to do with their original post after the bait has been set.
Yeah, it originated in fishing.

Especially when you consider most trolls don't actually flame, but post "flame bait." A non-offencively worded post that will end up in flame wars.

For instance:

"Wait, most of the people here aren't Christian? Wow.

INTPs strike me as the most intilligent, thoughtful types around. It's so surprising that so many here don't have a personal relationship with Jesus."

Flame bait. Someone posting that could be considered trolling, especially if they were aware of the effect.

[Claverhouse]

The divine Fravia (http://www.fravia.com/) --- from Finland --- has a page with numerous links explaining most stuff about trolls: Trolling Lore (http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm)

It is worth reading the section on Schopenhauer with a link in English to his per fas et nefas (http://www.searchlores.org/schopeng.htm): 38 Ways of Winning an Argument, although Fravia claims this is not an ideal translation.


1 Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it. The more general your opponent's statement becomes, the more objections you can find against it. The more restricted and narrow your own propositions remain, the easier they are to defend.

3 Ignore your opponent's proposition, which was intended to refer to some particular thing. Rather, understand it in some quite different sense, and then refute it. Attack something different than what was asserted.

6 Confuse the issue by changing your opponent's words or what he or she seeks to prove. Example: Call something by a different name: "good repute" instead of "honor," "virtue" instead of "virginity," "red-blooded" instead of "vertebrates"

11 If the opponent grants you the truth of some of your premises, refrain from asking him or her to agree to your conclusion. Later, introduce your conclusions as a settled and admitted fact. Your opponent and others in attendance may come to believe that your conclusion was admitted.

16 When your opponent puts forth a proposition, find it inconsistent with his or her other statements, beliefs, actions or lack of action. Example: Should your opponent defend suicide, you may at once exclaim, "Why don't you hang yourself?" Should the opponent maintain that his city is an unpleasant place to live, you may say, "Why don't you leave on the first plane?"

23 Contradiction and contention irritate a person into exaggerating their statements. By contradicting your opponent you may drive him into extending the statement beyond its natural limit. When you then contradict the exaggerated form of it, you look as though you had refuted the original statement. Contrarily, if your opponent tries to extend your own statement further than your intended, redefine your statement's limits and say, "That is what I said, no more."

25 If your opponent is making a generalization, find an instance to the contrary. Only one valid contradiction is needed to overthrow the opponent's proposition. Example: "All ruminants are horned," is a generalization that may be upset by the single instance of the camel.

32 A quick way of getting rid of an opponent's assertion, or of throwing suspicion on it, is by putting it into some odious category. Example: You can say, "That is fascism" or "Atheism" or "Superstition."
In making an objection of this kind you take for granted 1)That the assertion or question is identical with, or at least contained in, the category cited; and 2)The system referred to has been entirely refuted by the current audience.

37 Should your opponent be in the right but, luckily for you, choose a faulty proof, you can easily refute it and then claim that you have refuted the whole position. This is the way in which bad advocates lose good cases. If no accurate proof occurs to your opponent, you have won the day. Also not to be missed, is The WAY of the KOOK (http://www.searchlores.org/way_kook.htm). A different species, but certes I have identified both here more than several times.



Always believe that only you know the TRVTH.
Never allow logic or reason get in the way of a good k00k.
When being overwhelmed by logic and reason: k00ksuit!
If you are going to be wrong, do it at the top of your lungs.
Quote notorious scientists or writers - it makes it look as if they approve the drivel you are writing!
Scare your enemies with lawsuits, police escorts and whines.
Post lots of boasts about your high IQ and incredible talents.
Do not consult psychiatrists or other mental health professionals. They are part of the konspiracy, and will sedate you and lock you away and keep you drugged if you tell them the truth.
Be vigilant in your redundancy. The more you repeat yourself, the more likely others will believe you!
If you can't find anyone as crazy as yourself to support you in the flamewars you start with the normal population, create sock puppets and use anonymous remailers that shamelessly hang on every word you write. As ever with Fravia, there's lots more there; and much in general to identify trolls and their kindred.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


Note: There are several mirrors for this site:
For Europe: http://www.fravia.com/
For USA: http://www.searchlore.org/
For OZ: http://www.searchlores.org/

[Dman]

The divine Fravia (http://www.fravia.com/) --- from Finland --- has a page with numerous links explaining most stuff about trolls: Trolling Lore (http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm)

It is worth reading the section on Schopenhauer with a link in English to his per fas et nefas (http://www.searchlores.org/schopeng.htm): 38 Ways of Winning an Argument, although Fravia claims this is not an ideal translation.

Also not to be missed, is The WAY of the KOOK (http://www.searchlores.org/way_kook.htm). A different species, but certes I have identified both here more than several times.

As ever with Fravia, there's lots more there; and much in general to identify trolls and their kindred.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


Note: There are several mirrors for this site:
For Europe: http://www.fravia.com/
For USA: http://www.searchlore.org/
For OZ: http://www.searchlores.org/

once again you have confused the bejesus out of me - I'm generally a pretty quick study, but my god man

[kuranes]

The divine Fravia (http://www.fravia.com/) --- from Finland --- has a page with numerous links explaining most stuff about trolls: Trolling Lore (http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm)

It is worth reading the section on Schopenhauer with a link in English to his per fas et nefas (http://www.searchlores.org/schopeng.htm): 38 Ways of Winning an Argument, although Fravia claims this is not an ideal translation.

Also not to be missed, is The WAY of the KOOK (http://www.searchlores.org/way_kook.htm). A different species, but certes I have identified both here more than several times.

As ever with Fravia, there's lots more there; and much in general to identify trolls and their kindred.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


Note: There are several mirrors for this site:
For Europe: http://www.fravia.com/
For USA: http://www.searchlore.org/
For OZ: http://www.searchlores.org/
Pay particular attention to number #3 on the above list. Still, you can't deny the guy's at least a LITTLE bit "sly". It's like when we were talking about using "fool" as a "swear word." ( Statement made while invoking the memory of Sir Isaac, fishnet hose, etc.. )

[Hustler]

Funny the thread got boring when someone starting asking the tough questions.

What question is that, exactly? I just looked over your post again and I see no direct questions, just a bunch of opinions and allusions. What do you want to know, exactly?


I wasn't necessarily attacking you, just trying to read through the cryptic comments to try & understand the heart of what you are saying. You had no refute to what I had put out there, so my inference is that there is no substance to what you’ve said. Prove me wrong, I’m listening, as I’m sure others are.

Again, prove what wrong?

Are you trying to ask me what I do to avoid the fate of sitting in a cubicle in as round-about a fashion as humanly possible? Do you need a few more posts to get that one out?


None of this “PM me” stuff either, that’s a cop-out. If you can put your supercilious comments all over the board publicly, you can put your “answers” out publicly as well, eh?

I have a sneaking suspicion I won't be telling you anything in a PM or in a post.


Speaking of boring, anyone can speak about “perspectives”. Who cares about your perspective if your entire method of delivery is by insulting everyone and claiming transcendental insights that you conveniently don’t feel at liberty to share? We only care if you are willing to share details rather than vague references and obvious, everyday perspectives. There are a billion people who can say “you are all whiners, the key is to be happy, I know how”. That is essentially what you have said to date, so don’t wonder when people are curious to hear more but lose interest/respect when you don’t have anything more to offer except “figure it out” or “I’ll tell you when you’re ready”.

Alright, alright...transcendental insights...let's see: try to cut hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils out of your diet, you'll live longer that way, and thus have more time to figure out for yourself how to free yourself from your cubicle.


I apologize if I sound harsh or offensive, but I’m getting frustrated with the empty innuendo after spending so much time reading your posts, only to be left hanging. Seems like a typical example of a windbag. Again, I’m listening and willing to retract and give a second chance, if there’s anything there to be heard.

If you had really paid attention to my posts to date, this whole line of questioning and accusations on your part would be wholly unnecessary. Thus it is I who must offer you the second chance at finding the nuggets of wisdom in my bombastic belittling of the unseeing multitudes here.

[Hustler]

Hustler, the problem with your vision of "enlightenment" is that it isn't actually about enlightenment for the individual, its about enlightenment for you. . .

It seems I have to repeat myself over and over to drive one of my central points home. I realize that my vision is enlightenment to me, but I am also aware that this is a forum for INTPs and I am an INTP. We share many things in common and, it stands to reason, some may have similar visions to my vision of enlightenment. This is precisely why I cannot offer specific advice on every facet of enlightenment -- we're not identical -- but why I think some of my general ideas will serve other INTPs well.

[lexiphanic]

I just read the entire thread. Blech.

I get the impression that hustler is the epitomization of what all spam writers so badly desire to be. I see his posts and his arguments in the little blue link that says SPAM(11262 unread messages). Seems crystal clear to me. He is the perfect salesman. Ruthless, cocky, assumes respect, and refuses to back down from anything.

I like most trolls, but his posts just grate.

[Last Song]

bump

[lexiphanic]

*stab* *stab*

[Hustler]

I like most trolls, but his posts just grate.

Maybe it's because I'm not a troll. Whatever you feel is the case, thanks for the kind words in your post.

[YardGnome]

Isn't it blatant ignorance to claim that you have all the answers to everything?


What question is that, exactly? I just looked over your post again and I see no direct questions, just a bunch of opinions and allusions. What do you want to know, exactly?

What is the secret to lifelong happiness? What is the meaning of life? (This should be good...)

[ShadyShady]

What is the secret to lifelong happiness? What is the meaning of life? (This should be good...)

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/Resize_of_comic2-573.jpg

[mgb]

"Trolling can be described as a breaching experiment, in which in an alternate persona allows for normal social boundaries and rules of etiquette to be tested or otherwise broken. Self-proclaimed "trolls" may style themselves as devil's advocates, gadflies or "culture jammers," challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of forum discussions in an attempt to break the status quo of groupthink." from cjs55

I think I would respect Hustler more if he was a troll. I don't think a troll is neccessarily a bad thing, nor does it make you less of a "rational". In fact, I'd say it makes someone more of a rational since it represents emotional detatchment from a subject coupled with a joy of seeing others fight and squirm or something.

Hustler says himself that he believes in what he says and thinks it has some benefit to others. I find that approach to be much more dogmatic, kind of like tragula's "absolute truth" thread or something you'd find in a church. Mind you, I'm not accussing him of not being an INTP, just saying I'd appreciate him more if he actually was being a troll because I find that emotional detachment to be much more palatable in the long run.

[ShadyShady]

Whats wrong with making a logical choice to act irrational and dogmatic?
Is this why some INTP's say they can switch into INTJ mode sometimes?
I do this all the time.

[cjs55]

Isn't it blatant ignorance to claim that you have all the answers to everything?

It depends if you are right or not, obviously.


In fact, I'd say it makes someone more of a rational since it represents emotional detatchment from a subject coupled with a joy of seeing others fight and squirm or something.

Minus the joy part, you'd be correct. Trolling is the best way that I have ever seen to weed out irrational thinking from any forum. However, this has nothing to do with joy of foolishness, but rather joy of reality. But, in drunken idiocy, I have sabotaged my own position on the matter. Oh well...

I could always create another persona, after all.

[mgb]

It depends if you are right or not, obviously.



Minus the joy part, you'd be correct. Trolling is the best way that I have ever seen to weed out irrational thinking from any forum. However, this has nothing to do with joy of foolishness, but rather joy of reality. But, in drunken idiocy, I have sabotaged my own position on the matter. Oh well...

I could always create another persona, after all.

If you get a new persona, maybe don't do it with a suicide thread. I hear those cause some problems.

And at some point the troll either has to come clean or disappear, otherwise they risk becoming the position they have chosen to pursue, at that point they cease to be a troll and wonder across the line into dogmatic spaz, and become supremely unlikable.

[cjs55]

And at some point the troll either has to come clean or disappear, otherwise they risk becoming the position they have chosen to pursue, at that point they cease to be a troll and wonder across the line into dogmatic spaz, and become supremely unlikable.

I know precisely what you are saying, but all trolls (hopefully) try to expose a truth by some means (often exageration). Thus, abandoning a position entirely doesn't really make sense, even though said position will usually be defined by opposition. It's sort of a middle ground between personal opinion and common opinion.

I would encourage all trolls...from hustler to _____, because if they are intelligent, they are useful. The Devil's Adovate is the most important role there is, especially when people may be incorrect in certain assumptions.

Unlikability should never be a deterrant (to anything!)

[Architectonic]

Whats wrong with making a logical choice to act irrational and dogmatic?
Is this why some INTP's say they can switch into INTJ mode sometimes?
I do this all the time.

Because being irrational and dogmatic is against my nature.








Unless of course SUVs are involved. :P

[Hustler]

I think I would respect Hustler more if he was a troll. I don't think a troll is neccessarily a bad thing, nor does it make you less of a "rational". In fact, I'd say it makes someone more of a rational since it represents emotional detatchment from a subject coupled with a joy of seeing others fight and squirm or something.

I would respect you more if you used correct grammar. That said, the lack of respect I receive from you is very unlikely to compel me to become a troll in hopes of appeasing you.


Hustler says himself that he believes in what he says and thinks it has some benefit to others. I find that approach to be much more dogmatic, kind of like tragula's "absolute truth" thread or something you'd find in a church. Mind you, I'm not accussing him of not being an INTP, just saying I'd appreciate him more if he actually was being a troll because I find that emotional detachment to be much more palatable in the long run.

Since when does the presence of emotional detachment require some degree of trolling? A belief does not require emotion. If I believe 2 + 2 = 4 and you disagree, there is no need for emotion to enter the picture. A forum is a place where people put up opinions and thoughts. It is merely coincidental that my beliefs are wildly different than those of many other people, so much so that it causes them to get emotional when their arguments run up against the brick wall that is my arrogant certainty. You are just another one to buckle:


Whatever troll.

Maybe you should look up the definition of troll. You don't have to be stupid to be a troll, just annoying, and you certainly qualify for that.


He really does sound like Thermo though before he discovered he was an INTJ. I really think Hustler should do some reading about the INTJ type and head over to INTJ Central.

Keep backing down, keep changing your position, keep being a fool. I'm a troll, I'm not a troll. I'm an INTJ, I'm an INTP. Whatever. It isn't going to bother me because, unlike you, I have retained my emotional detachment, even in the face of you flipping out:


You seem to have this, "I am smart everyone else is stupid, God complex". Maybe it's time for a poll to see if that's true.

And you are a fuckwad. Fuckwad.

And, of course, getting paranoid ( and hypocritically so, I might add ):




I would never complain about the incessant posts which make attacks on me.

That's a flat out lie. You've already talked to admins about it.

In the meantime, I will continue being unapologetically correct and continue to induce envy in the likes of you. And, in closing, please try to generalize this emotion-free statement of fact regarding your efforts in another thread to apply to everything you post: http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=119977&postcount=117. Try not to let that upset you or get you all emotional. Afterall, it's just me saying something I believe and not absolute truth, or is it?

[Last Song]

Hustler is wrong.

[Vagabond]

...and continue to induce envy in the likes of you. LOL

[coffeezombie]

If you get a new persona, maybe don't do it with a suicide thread. I hear those cause some problems.

And at some point the troll either has to come clean or disappear, otherwise they risk becoming the position they have chosen to pursue, at that point they cease to be a troll and wonder across the line into dogmatic spaz, and become supremely unlikable.

Are you having trouble with that "ignoring people" thing we talked about, mg? You only feed his trollishness or whatever the hell you want to call it if you get worked up about his behavior.

To tell the truth, I don't think I've ever read a single Hustler post in full. His posting tone in general disagrees with what I like to read on here.

[s0978]

Unlikability should never be a deterrant (to anything!)
but it is

[Claverhouse]

I keep reading that as detergent, and then it makes less sense.

'Unlikability should never be a detergent (to anything!)'


I never really 'got' James Joyce; although vanity dictated that one pretended one did, back in kindergarten. Still, I agree with the sentiment --- unsentimental as it admirably is.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[ And of course, whilst one is regarding 'them' as unlikable, they too are reciprocating right back at one. So it swings both ways. ]

[mgb]

Are you having trouble with that "ignoring people" thing we talked about, mg? You only feed his trollishness or whatever the hell you want to call it if you get worked up about his behavior.

To tell the truth, I don't think I've ever read a single Hustler post in full. His posting tone in general disagrees with what I like to read on here.

Oh, don't ge me wrong, I have him on ignore. You didn't see me quoting him...

I was just thinking out loud that I probably wouldn't mind Hustler if he was a troll. If he was a troll, using cjs55's definition, I could say, "Ok, you got me, good one." But it doesn't seem to be the case, at least so far. I'm guessing by his last post on the thread he had something nasty to say. Hopefully it wasn't lost on the rest of you.

Hustler reminds me of Zedo actually. I hated him at the start. But after a while I got used to him and started liking him, realizing what he was doing. But Zedo was just screwing around. I'm not sure Hustler is. Which is unfortunate.

[YardGnome]

Oh, don't ge me wrong, I have him on ignore. You didn't see me quoting him...

I was just thinking out loud that I probably wouldn't mind Hustler if he was a troll. If he was a troll, using cjs55's definition, I could say, "Ok, you got me, good one." But it doesn't seem to be the case, at least so far. I'm guessing by his last post on the thread he had something nasty to say. Hopefully it wasn't lost on the rest of you.

Hustler reminds me of Zedo actually. I hated him at the start. But after a while I got used to him and started liking him, realizing what he was doing. But Zedo was just screwing around. I'm not sure Hustler is. Which is unfortunate.

Maybe Hustler is Zedo!

...

:blink:

[mgb]

Maybe Hustler is Zedo!

...

:blink:

No.

[Hustler]

Oh, don't ge me wrong, I have him on ignore. You didn't see me quoting him...

You wish you could ignore me, but you can't. This whole thread is a testament to that.


I was just thinking out loud that I probably wouldn't mind Hustler if he was a troll. If he was a troll, using cjs55's definition, I could say, "Ok, you got me, good one." But it doesn't seem to be the case, at least so far. I'm guessing by his last post on the thread he had something nasty to say. Hopefully it wasn't lost on the rest of you.

Hahaha. More backpedalling, more story-changing, more denial of your obvious inability to ignore me. I guess I don't blame you. While this approach is certainly weak, it at least gives you less room to make a complete fool of yourself.

[Hustler]

To tell the truth, I don't think I've ever read a single Hustler post in full. His posting tone in general disagrees with what I like to read on here.

A brazen lie. It's one thing to make this absurd claim in the face of the many exchanges we've had on numerous threads, but what makes it brazen is that you started it with 'To tell the truth.' Or maybe you just need more sleep and less coffee to keep that memory from fading away.

[YardGnome]

No.

Yeah you're probably right, he's worse...

[kuranes]

Hustler, you've pulled that boxing belt of yours up past your nose so that only your eyes and toupee are sticking out. Pretty soon you're going to have to take your shorts all the way up and tie them over your head, and stumble around blindly. You will still command a dwindling amount of the attention you seem to crave ( and get ) but people will be mostly just pelting this stumbling figure with tomatoes, dog turds etc.

You'd be better off starting some new observations going than just continuing to go on the way you have, conceding nothing, like the knight in the Monty Python movie did, yelling "Come on you pussies, FIGHT!" even though his arms and legs had gradually been all chopped off.

Why don't you start some new threads going that show other sides of yourself? I know you've done a couple, but heck, for somebody like the great HUSTLER, why those few must have been just a minute's worth of work, right?

[Hustler]

kuranes, I'm only going to tell you this once: lay off the pipe.

Anyhow, I'm sure you'll get your wish someday and I'll start a new, compelling and controversial thread. You really can't blame me for this one, I'm not the one who decided to start a Hustler vs. the world thread. You have mgbradsh, troll extraordinaire, to thank for that one.

[kuranes]

I was referencing your original "what's wrong with you people" stance, as i'm sure Mgbradsh was too. Looking forward to some new things from you.

[Claverhouse]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS

[Architectonic]

Hustler, why are you such an asshole?

Anyone remember this classic thread?

[Carebear]

Thank God they got rid of that Hustler dude.

(Still haven't decided how I'll vote in this poll, but it seems to be lacking some categories.)

Edit: Never mind, I found one I liked. Seems he voted the same. :)

[Ferrus]

I wonder if Hustler is 4'3" in real life... the Napoleon complex and so on.

[Lurker]

I wonder if Hustler is 4'3" in real life... the Napoleon complex and so on.

I guess we'll find out when pics are posted from the Vegas Meet-Up. :highfive:

[Ferrus]

I guess we'll find out when pics are posted from the Vegas Meet-Up. :highfive:
Do you think they're safe in his prescence? He might imprison them and wager them in a poker match.

[Lurker]

Do you think they're safe in his prescence? He might imprison them and wager them in a poker match.

I saw Rajah online last night...as for the rest of them, only time will tell.

How much would they all be worth, I wonder?

[Ferrus]

I saw Rajah online last night...as for the rest of them, only time will tell.

How much would they all be worth, I wonder?
It depends what acts they can be coaxed into performing for the camera.

[demagogic_schizoid]

Anyone remember this classic thread?

Necromancer:frypan:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/necromancer.jpg

[enjoysham]

Intelligence, success, wit...

Hustler has fallen into a typical INTP/J trap.

Fear not though, mortals... for even the great Hustler shall feed worms within 100 years. As will we all.

Then again, I guess that train of logic opens up the door to existential, hedonistic enterprises like this thread.

Hmm...

In the words of Johnny Storm: Flame on!

[SolitaryWalker]

I think that Hustler is only good at rhetoric. There is not much real merit to his thought.

[Lurker]

I think that Hustler is only good at rhetoric. There is not much real merit to his thought.

Isn't his rhetoric a product of his thoughts? What you are saying is that you don't see much merit in his ideas (?)

I'm a little confused as to how you can determine whether someone's thoughts have merit or not.

[Jennywocky]

I think that Hustler is only good at rhetoric. There is not much real merit to his thought.

This could get interesting.

(or... maybe not.)

[pulls up seat, reads psychology journals while waiting for the action]

[naruto littles helpers.jpeg]

Isn't his rhetoric a product of his thoughts? What you are saying is that you don't see much merit in his ideas (?)

I'm a little confused as to how you can determine whether someone's thoughts have merit or not.

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/kissmyapethebutt.gif

[Toonia]

I wish this thread provided more options. :P All we are given is an either-or fallacy. First of all, there are people out there quite capable of being both genius and f-ing idiot. Besides that, both of those options are not all that interesting. It should include more things like: sad clown, arctic fisherman, urban gypsy, Austrailian emu wrangler, big mama, funk lord... you get the idea.

[Hustler]

I think that Hustler is only good at rhetoric. There is not much real merit to his thought.
Are you just saying that because you're terrible at rhetoric (along with everything else)?

[meshou]

I think that Hustler is only good at rhetoric. There is not much real merit to his thought.Are you just saying that because you're terrible at rhetoric (along with everything else)?lol pwnt

[SolitaryWalker]

Are you just saying that because you're terrible at rhetoric (along with everything else)?

Are you insinuating that you are actually capable of real thinking, as opposed to just putting on an air of importance and making yourself look like a thinker?

[Hustler]

Are you insinuating that you are actually capable of real thinking, as opposed to just putting on an air of importance and making yourself look like a thinker?
All I was saying is that you suck at rhetoric, among other things.

[s]

Ok, I am pretty sure Hustler is still fapping to this thread.

[Architectonic]

As the skeletons fall out of the closet....

[meshou]

I still think he's a troll, but now he's also an Admin. So I have to change my vote to "Fucking Genius."

[Jennywocky]

btw, what dumb ass made up this poll without an "All of the Above" category?

If there's not something I can't stand more than people who make up polls, it's people who are so damn incompetent they can't even provide intelligent responses.

Hustler should be insulted at how this poll has limited him. I'm quite sure he's ridiculously smart, a fucking idiot, a total and incorrigible asshole, and posts from his great Aunt Tilda's pathetic eMachine because he can't hold down a job long enough to fund a personal connection.

How the hell am I supposed to vote on this thing?

...wait... looks like asshole is the most popular...



(wormfeeding)

You know, when I first saw your username, I thought it said "EnjoyShum."
I guess that's completely different.

[Leftfield]

I can't vote one way or another!

He is borderline genius and isn't afraid to speak up, but there are lines that he crosses that maybe go too far in modern society; but to him it's "who cares?"... he reminds me of Cartman from South Park, and if prior pictures are accurate, looks like him too, "are you a little tubby Hustler"?

You aren't going to be friends with everyone and he's definitely an individual that can not be replicated; for better or worse.

~ Leftfield

P.S. I didn't see voting Option E: A very small and little man.

[booyalab]

he reminds me of Cartman from South Park
Maybe an unfunny Cartman. Or maybe I just need to imagine Hustler yelling at his kitty in between flames for trying to steal his pot-pie.

[fresh]

Are you just saying that because you're terrible at rhetoric (along with everything else)?

Don't yank my dog's chain, asshat. :mad:

[songbird36]

Are you insinuating that you are actually capable of real thinking, as opposed to just putting on an air of importance and making yourself look like a thinker?

:theclap:

[targo]

I see I have been away for far too long and it's finally safe to come back. While I find Hustler to be brilliant he is an ass and conceited ass at that. I just realized that he no longer has any power in these parts and it so makes me laugh!

you know I love yah hustler :hug: :smooch:

[Hustler]

I'm glad to see that you all went and revived this old thread because you didn't think there were enough current threads about me.

[targo]

I'm glad to see that you all went and revived this old thread because you didn't think there were enough current threads about me.



Hustler honey this place has always been about you..... don't you realize that we have nothing better to do than to pay attention to you???? Come on you know it's true ! ;P

[fresh]

I'm glad to see that you all went and revived this old thread because you didn't think there were enough current threads about me.

I want to change my alias to SolitaryStalker... It's apparent SolitaryWalker's dull wit by itself does not match you. With my stupidity and dubiously "fresh" spin, we together stand a chance to win. Unite to rage against the machine, motherfuck. ;)

(seriously, who do i suck off to get my alias changed?)

[!diom]

As for the OP, it really all depends on what kind of Mac he owns..

MacBook? MacBook Pro? iMac? Mac Pro?

[targo]

besides Hustler for an INTP you know you love the attention.... you can't deny that......

[Karl]

moar liek teh smartest on teh planet

[Hustler]

As for the OP, it really all depends on what kind of Mac he owns..

MacBook? MacBook Pro? iMac? Mac Pro?

I kick it old school (c. 2004) with my dual G5.

[!diom]

Ooooohh shit!

[Night]

This was a real thread?

[amazingkae]

Apparently. I had no idea that Hustler was an INTJ troll suspect. I have a secret theory that Hustler is the boyfriend of our recent famous poster shittydrama. He keeps silent and after she has her way with him he comes here to perpetuate the chain of a hostile family environment. They say child abusers always begin because somebody did it to them. Perhaps Hustler, since he's been here so long and though highly intelligent is clearly troublesome, is like the drunken father and we are his "never quite good enough for him" punching bag children.

Just thoughts. Everybody knows when Hustler is not on the attack he writes excellent posts. It's only difficult to read when he's taking aim or pulling the trigger and regaling in dragging his bloody prey through the Virtual Forum Forrest Trees of Threads as a sign of his "sportsmanship". Great resurrection... I don't know how I missed this one.

I'm voting troublesome Devil's Advocate... and unfortunately, the damage done to people's impressions of INTPs here is overwhelmingly sad. I have to overlook most of what he's said... and I wish he's be more helpful (because he's a really good writer and if he wanted, he could write things that are actually good). I don't need him to be all fluffy and sweet--just offering more productive commentary. [And I know what I offer the forum by way of insight, experience, humor or perspective he finds unreadable and does not value but one or two others do.]

*Deep SIGH and hopes for help to the board to get through this growing pain period and come out better for the world*

[Hustler]

[who cares?]I think you ought to take the drama to some NF site where it and you belong.

[lymigo]

Apparently. I had no idea that Hustler was an INTJ troll suspect.



We all know that some people have to over-compensate for their lack of P-ness.

[Sojourner]

I think you ought to take the drama to some NF site where it and you belong.

It's difficult to stand by and see yourself portrayed as something that you consider unpleasant, but... unless (and it's very possible, of course) my sarcasm detector has crashed, amazingkae seems to have said her bit with far more courtesy than many other posters in this thread. The only part of her post which might have been interpreted as sarcastic was the first paragraph, but the rest seemed sincere enough.

[Hustler]

It's difficult to stand by and see yourself portrayed as something that you consider unpleasant, but... unless (and it's very possible, of course) my sarcasm detector has crashed, amazingkae seems to have said her bit with far more courtesy than many other posters in this thread. The only part of her post which might have been interpreted as sarcastic was the first paragraph, but the rest seemed sincere enough.

I don't see what sarcasm or courtesy has to do with anything she said or my response to it. This is and always has been an attack thread on me and, while I consider that a form of tribute and enjoy the hate, people should know what sort of responses to expect from me when they offer up their opinions here, no matter how courteous they are. In amazingkae's case, I'm calling her out for being a stealth NF posting NF drama in my thread.

[Sojourner]

This is and always has been an attack thread on me and, while I consider that a form of tribute and enjoy the hate, people should know what sort of responses to expect from me when they offer up their opinions here, no matter how courteous they are.
Yes, it was created as an attack thread, but the thread-creator's original intent does not dictate the sentiment of the responses, and neither does the majority sentiment. It doesn't look like amazingkae was attacking - unless, as before, she was being sarcastic. She mentioned certain characteristics that she perceived in you, some being negative and some being positive. What constitutes an attack?


In amazingkae's case, I'm calling her out for being a stealth NF posting NF drama in my thread.
Why is she a stealth NF?

[amazingkae]

It's okay all. My post was logical and sound from a professional, ethical, and marketing standpoint and I'm sticking with it. I'd understand the F retort if it was aimed at me for hurt feelings for not being part of the club, or whatever... but quite honestly, it is unnecessary.

Hustler,

To request that an intelligent person with a gift for writing write posts on an information forum that are smart, witty, factually oriented and simultaneously entertaining is perfectly reasonable. In that, to express my regret that the forum is dominated by these styles of dramatic antics is not emotionally based at all (except if you qualify the thread boring).

Cheers, man. I have voiced my support for you on many occasions. In return, you have retaliated (rather than ignored)? It's an interesting way to live, but not one I'd recommend--but it certainly does get you a lot of praise from emo teens and basement fans.

I do understand how to open a door for polite interaction and to close it when integrity demands. You hate women--and especially nice ones. That, we all understand.

[songbird36]

You hate women--and especially nice ones. That, we all understand.

One day we'll no doubt get the story behind that on a blog thread (although it won't be called a blog, 'cos blogs are for suckers) :)

[Sojourner]

It's okay all.

I would still like to see Hustler's response to my questions. It seems that he has offended many members, going by the general atmosphere of hostility, but he hasn't directly offended me yet, so I claim the right to relatively unbiased interaction. Otherwise it's just a vicious cycle and no smart, witty, factually oriented and simultaneously entertaining posts will get written in all the fuss ;)

[Of course, he could just take a look at the page and metaphorically throw up his hands with a "whatever", and ignore aforesaid questions, but...]

[amazingkae]

Okay, Soj... Just so long as I am not the latest lamb up for the slaughter I think Hustler will plan.

[Hustler]

Why is she a stealth NF?
Stuff like this:


It's okay all. My post was logical and sound from a professional, ethical, and marketing standpoint and I'm sticking with it. I'd understand the F retort if it was aimed at me for hurt feelings for not being part of the club, or whatever... but quite honestly, it is unnecessary.

Hustler,

To request that an intelligent person with a gift for writing write posts on an information forum that are smart, witty, factually oriented and simultaneously entertaining is perfectly reasonable. In that, to express my regret that the forum is dominated by these styles of dramatic antics is not emotionally based at all (except if you qualify the thread boring).

I do understand how to open a door for polite interaction and to close it when integrity demands. You hate women--and especially nice ones. That, we all understand.


Apparently. I had no idea that Hustler was an INTJ troll suspect. I have a secret theory that Hustler is the boyfriend of our recent famous poster shittydrama. He keeps silent and after she has her way with him he comes here to perpetuate the chain of a hostile family environment. They say child abusers always begin because somebody did it to them. Perhaps Hustler, since he's been here so long and though highly intelligent is clearly troublesome, is like the drunken father and we are his "never quite good enough for him" punching bag children.

Just thoughts. Everybody knows when Hustler is not on the attack he writes excellent posts. It's only difficult to read when he's taking aim or pulling the trigger and regaling in dragging his bloody prey through the Virtual Forum Forrest Trees of Threads as a sign of his "sportsmanship". Great resurrection... I don't know how I missed this one.

I'm voting troublesome Devil's Advocate... and unfortunately, the damage done to people's impressions of INTPs here is overwhelmingly sad. I have to overlook most of what he's said... and I wish he's be more helpful (because he's a really good writer and if he wanted, he could write things that are actually good). I don't need him to be all fluffy and sweet--just offering more productive commentary. [And I know what I offer the forum by way of insight, experience, humor or perspective he finds unreadable and does not value but one or two others do.]

*Deep SIGH and hopes for help to the board to get through this growing pain period and come out better for the world*

Veiled ad hominem. Appeals to emotion. Appeals to guilt. Reference to professionalism and ethics on an internet forum. Brazen and illogical ad hominem to go with the aforementioned veiled, back-handed stuff. Feeler dramatics and "exasperation." Holier-than-thou appeals to personal integrity, in which implications of the other not living up to a supposed objective (but actually subjective) set of standards is occurring. Fi-based conclusions drawn with no factual evidence to support it. Making histrionic reference to the growing pains of a forum that is over three years old and has more or less stopped growing and leveled off. It's all there in black and white.


I would still like to see Hustler's response to my questions. It seems that he has offended many members, going by the general atmosphere of hostility, but he hasn't directly offended me yet, so I claim the right to relatively unbiased interaction. Otherwise it's just a vicious cycle and no smart, witty, factually oriented and simultaneously entertaining posts will get written in all the fuss ;)
If I offend people, it's on them. It's not my problem and it never will be. Most people here either ignore me or don't get offended by me, because they know not to take the rather blunt things I say personally and they know not to take my jokes seriously. If they do decide to get personal and start in with the attacks, they can handle what happens next without getting upset. I'm pretty sure you will not get offended by me. As far as I can tell, you're one of the top 10 n00bs of 2007, and you seem to get it. Which it? The ineffable it that eludes so many people.

[Jennywocky]

...Stuff like this:It's all there in black and white.

You know you don't know shit about her in real life, don't you? How the hell can you effectively type someone on the basis of THOSE particular comments alone...?

The fact is that her gender, her age/maturity level, her life stage, and a bunch of other unique aspects have made her more difficult to type via mere forum posts. People become more complex (hopefully) as they age or undergo stressful growing situations, and so they fit the stereotypes less and less.

(Curiously, one reason I would question the NF status you assign her is because most NFs will get all whiny and desperate when they go head to head with someone with as aggressive as you happen to be in a conversation such as this one. I don't sense any of that around her, she's pretty much as cool as a cucumber and very relaxed; this is much more typical of NTP, who end up not giving a damn what others think and still remain fairly impersonal in how they take things. Things such as that leave me undecided.)

In the end, I would feel hesitant trying to type her... as much as I would feel hesitant about typing YOU on the basis of some of your comments here online. (This is why I don't get into the middle of the occasional bitchfest about whether or not you are a closet INTJ. How the hell would I know -- unless I had met you in real life? I'm only getting half the picture from a forum thread.)

[Sojourner]

Veiled ad hominem. Appeals to emotion. Appeals to guilt. [...] Brazen and illogical ad hominem to go with the aforementioned veiled, back-handed stuff. Feeler dramatics and "exasperation."
That's not exclusive to Fs. Look around these forums - INTPs can be pretty dramatic.


Reference to professionalism and ethics on an internet forum.
Could you explain this further? I'm not quite sure I see why this implies an NF.


Holier-than-thou appeals to personal integrity, in which implications of the other not living up to a supposed objective (but actually subjective) set of standards are occurring.
Personal integrity: well, it could possibly be interpreted that way.
Subjective "objective" standard: I must point out that few standards are objective when it comes to these sort of issues.
Holier-than-thou: where?


Fi-based conclusions drawn with no factual evidence to support it.
Are you referring to any specific conclusions, one post or the other, or everything in general? I'm hoping it's the first, or you'll have a hard time backing it up.


Making histrionic reference to the growing pains of a forum that is over three years old and has more or less stopped growing and leveled off.
What's your definition of a forum that is still growing? What are the indicators of a growing forum?


If I offend people, it's on them. It's not my problem and it never will be. Most people here either ignore me or don't get offended by me, because they know not to take the rather blunt things I say personally and they know not to take my jokes seriously. If they do decide to get personal and start in with the attacks, they can handle what happens next without getting upset.
Unfortunately, I can't comment on this, since I haven't paid attention to whatever conflicts may have arisen in the past between you and other members. I do agree with your last sentence. The line between bluntness and plain rudeness is a very fine line, however - are you so sure that you've never crossed it? Another thing to consider is the clarity (or lack thereof) of the supposedly offensive post. People often jump to conclusions about and/or misread the intentions of a post - it's a natural tendency, and the resulting fallout could be avoided if only people 1) took pains to make themselves clear in the first place, or 2) explained themselves more clearly in response to an angry post.


I'm pretty sure you will not get offended by me. As far as I can tell, you're one of the top 10 n00bs of 2007, and you seem to get it.
I'm honored.


Which it? The ineffable it that eludes so many people.
Did you mistype something in these sentences?

[Hustler]

You know you don't know shit about her in real life, don't you? How the hell can you effectively type someone on the basis of THOSE particular comments alone...?

The fact is that her gender, her age/maturity level, her life stage, and a bunch of other unique aspects have made her more difficult to type via mere forum posts. People become more complex (hopefully) as they age or undergo stressful growing situations, and so they fit the stereotypes less and less.

(Curiously, one reason I would question the NF status you assign her is because most NFs will get all whiny and desperate when they go head to head with someone with as aggressive as you happen to be in a conversation such as this one. I don't sense any of that around her, she's pretty much as cool as a cucumber and very relaxed; this is much more typical of NTP, who end up not giving a damn what others think and still remain fairly impersonal in how they take things. Things such as that leave me undecided.)

In the end, I would feel hesitant trying to type her... as much as I would feel hesitant about typing YOU on the basis of some of your comments here online. (This is why I don't get into the middle of the occasional bitchfest about whether or not you are a closet INTJ. How the hell would I know -- unless I had met you in real life? I'm only getting half the picture from a forum thread.)
I don't care. I don't have to know someone in real life to make educated guesses about her type. Neither do you, apparently, with your NTP proclamations in the same parenthetical aside containing your statements about hesitancy to type people online. Why don't you take your hypocritical beating around the bush to some thread I'm not going to read. Perhaps a blog. If a person's posting history leaves me with an impression of her type, I'm going to roll with that impression until better data is made available. In amazingkae's case, I've found enough examples of NFery in her last few posts to convince me that I was right about her in the impression I formed a long time ago. That you're here sticking up for her just further supports my case, because you're a habitual champion of NFs on this site.

[Sojourner]

I don't care.
Surely you realize that this is a bad opening?


Why don't you take your hypocritical beating around the bush to some thread I'm not going to read.
This isn't ad hominem and rather pointless?


I don't have to know someone in real life to make educated guesses about her type.
Agree. Key term "educated guesses".


Neither do you, apparently, with your NTP proclamations in the same parenthetical aside containing your statements about hesitancy to type people online.
I believe he was attempting to argue using your method to show you the perceived inaccuracy of conclusions derived from that method.


In amazingkae's case, I've found enough examples of NFery in her last few posts
Sample size.


to convince me that I was right about her in the impression I formed a long time ago.
I.e., NFness?

[Hustler]

That's not exclusive to Fs. Look around these forums - INTPs can be pretty dramatic.
Yeah, and SJs can be logical. So what?


Could you explain this further? I'm not quite sure I see why this implies an NF.
To claim to have posted in a professional fashion in a medium that is anything but professional is (1) pointless (2) illogical (3) unmeasurable (4) demonstrating a lack of detachment from the whole posting process. To bring ethics into it is to bring out the NF maul of moral righteousness. Besides which, who is anyone to self-proclaim ethical behavior on a forum where ethics are largely undefined. It shows a lack of understanding of the NT relation to the medium in which we're operating.

That said, I'm not going to answer all your nit-picking. It's all pretty self-explanatory and you can either use your intuition and understand my point of view or choose not to. I don't care, and I'm not about to enter into subjective/objective discussions or define what a growing forum is or give examples of naked and brazen ad hominem. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to figure out which of the quoted passages in bold I consider to be the most egregious and unfounded ad hominem and then go on to speculate why I think it was derived from an NF tendency to take something personally and then draw a global conclusion from it. If you really want to understand where I'm coming from, try that.


Did you mistype something in these sentences?
I doubt it.

[Hustler]

Surely you realize that this is a bad opening?
I don't care.


This isn't ad hominem and rather pointless?
No.


Agree. Key term "educated guesses".
Is there any other way to analyze a system of incomplete information?


I believe he was attempting to argue using your method to show you the perceived inaccuracy of conclusions derived from that method.
No, he wasn't. He was just being Fortunato and hopping in anywhere he can find an opening to post-whore and let us all know he exists and that he has an opinion. This is his schtick.


Sample size.
Invalid use of the sample size objection. We're not talking about a statistical process here; we're talking about forming impressions about someone's personality.

[Sojourner]

Yeah, and SJs can be logical. So what?
A question that I will reply to much in the manner that you replied to mine. You are the one whose possible geniushood (or fuckingidiothood, but geniushood is the important one here) is being debated in this thread!



To claim to have posted in a professional fashion in a medium that is anything but professional is (1) pointless (2) illogical (3) unmeasurable (4) demonstrating a lack of detachment from the whole posting process.
(1) Depends on what you're trying to prove.
(2) Is the claim illogical, or the act itself? Rare first editions of famous books don't usually fall into the hands of public libraries, but that doesn't mean it contradicts logic.
(3) I will assume that you are calling professionalism unmeasurable.
(4) Detachment is a trait of the INTP.


To bring ethics into it is to bring out the NF maul of moral righteousness. Besides which, who is anyone to self-proclaim ethical behavior on a forum where ethics are largely undefined? It shows a lack of understanding of the NT relation to the medium in which we're operating.
It is one thing to understand and another thing entirely to choose to follow the conventions. If I may point out your post in demagoguic_schizoid's Reputation thread?


That said, I'm not going to answer all your nit-picking. It's all pretty self-explanatory and you can either use your intuition and understand my point of view or choose not to. I don't care, and I'm not about to enter into subjective/objective discussions or define what a growing forum is or give examples of naked and brazen ad hominem.
Alas, again we see "I don't care". Hustler, I shall assume that you don't care; it is the image that you wish to portray of yourself. I am attempting to understand your point of view, but it's not quite as self-explanatory as you believe it to be - and in any case, clarification never hurt.


Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to figure out which of the quoted passages in bold I consider to be the most egregious and unfounded ad hominem and then go on to speculate why I think it was derived from an NF tendency to take something personally and then draw a global conclusion from it. If you really want to understand where I'm coming from, try that.
If I am looking at the right section... well, I think she was joking. Obviously, since I'm not amazingkae, I can't definitively say so, but it appears to be the most reasonable explanation. Let me point out a quote from a previous post of yours:
Most people here either ignore me or don't get offended by me, because they know not to take the rather blunt things I say personally and they know not to take my jokes seriously.


I doubt it.
Never mind, I see it now. :D

[venerationOFrabbits]

Can someone point out why they suspect Hustler is INTJ?

[Sojourner]

I don't care.
Of course not. :happpy:


No.
Since you didn't provide reasons, I will assume that this is one of those subjective thingamajigs that you mentioned earlier.


Is there any other way to analyze a system of incomplete information?
No. People tend to forget, however, that they are only educated guesses, and treat them as absolute truths.


No, he wasn't. He was just being Fortunato and hopping in anywhere he can find an opening to post-whore and let us all know he exists and that he has an opinion. This is his schtick.
This statement would apply if we were discussing his entire post.


Invalid use of the sample size objection. We're not talking about a statistical process here; we're talking about forming impressions about someone's personality.
It's analogous. You're gathering statistics pertinent to her type and using these statistics to form that impression. In the case that you mean "impression" in the sense of a vague and unfounded feeling... well, no. I'll dismiss that as a negligible possibility.

[Hustler]

If I am looking at the right section... well, I think she was joking. Obviously, since I'm not amazingkae, I can't definitively say so, but it appears to be the most reasonable explanation.

She wasn't. Consider the context. The most reasonable explanation is that she's not an INTP.

[Supergirl]

I'm new to this forum, so I hope I'm not out of line here, but I went back and read a good number of Hustler's posts (he sure does post a lot). I'm not sure what the big deal is but he certainly gets a lot of attention from many folks here. For the most part, it seems he's a good contributor and a nice addition to this forum. The best way to procure his insults is to submit to them. Perhaps "P's" get frustrated when they can't think of a clever retort? I don't know. I wouldn't care if an anonymous person tried to insult me or belittle my intelligence. Whatever. I know who I am. Bring it!

And Hustler, if you're reading this, I'm Supergirl...pleasure to make your acquaintance. :) Do you like tea?

[Hustler]

Can someone point out why they suspect Hustler as INTJ?
I think a lot of people are still operating under the mistaken assumption that INTJs are smarter than INTPs and, as such, it only seems plausible for me to be an INTJ. But, in fact, INTPs are the brighter bulbs.

[Karl]

Can someone point out why they suspect Hustler as INTJ?

Because he comes across as very sure of his opinions, I think. I've even gotten "are you sure you're an INTP" once because of this. But if we go to the INTP profile, suddenly everything makes sense...


Where the extraversion of the iNtuition function becomes obvious is during discussions, especially heated ones. In contrast to INTJs, an INTP will often make controversial, speculative points of argument, often annoying the discussion-partner, and make them in such a way as to leave the impression that he is very serious about what he says. In reality, the INTP is not actually even certain himself whether he really stands by what he is saying, but his Ne strongly suggests that there must be a core of truth there. The purpose then of his outspoken style of argument is to sharpen his own intuitive understanding by testing the reaction of the listener, and indeed to examine the logic of his own arguments in real time while speaking them out. On occasion, INTPs may seem brash and tactless, but for themselves it is part of their way of getting closer to the truth. This is another aspect of the Ne grappling with the external world (in this case discussion with another) to understand it. The Ne provides the raw material for the Ti core to analyse. The INTJ, on the other hand, with Ni dominant and Te as secondary, tends to avoid letting uncertain speculative ideas out in the open: he presents a more considered structured viewpoint to the world while holding his private thoughts free for intuitive reasoning. The INTJ resembles a chess player, ruminating on the possibilites and then making decisive accurate moves. If the INTP played life as chess, he would keep wishing to modify the allowed-move-properties of his various pieces to optimise his strategy, find that that isn't allowed, and ask to start the game afresh! The ENTP chess player would indeed modify the rules to his advantage and complain that the standard rules were inadequate! The ENTJ would play by the standard rules but insist on making the moves for his opponent as well !

[Hustler]

And Hustler, if you're reading this, I'm Supergirl...pleasure to make your acquaintance. :) Do you like tea?

Hi. Yes, I do.

[Sojourner]

She wasn't. Consider the context. The most reasonable explanation is that she's not an INTP.
The reason I consider it to be a joke is because I've seen her joke about it before.


I'm new to this forum, so I hope I'm not out of line here, but I went back and read a good number of Hustler's posts (he sure does post a lot). I'm not sure what the big deal is but he certainly gets a lot of attention from many folks here. For the most part, it seems he's a good contributor and a nice addition to this forum. The best way to procure his insults is to submit to them. Perhaps "P's" get frustrated when they can't think of a clever retort? I don't know. I wouldn't care if an anonymous person tried to insult me or belittle my intelligence. Whatever. I know who I am. Bring it!
You're one up on me, then... >.> [lazy] Do you mean procure (=obtain) or something else entirely? (How would your post be out of line? )

[Hustler]

Because he comes across as very sure of his opinions, I think. I've even gotten "are you sure you're an INTP" once because of this. But if we go to the INTP profile, suddenly everything makes sense...

What the fuck, man. Didn't I just see a thread somewhere that said you were taking a leave of absence from the forum? Shouldn't you be blowing in your trombone or something?

[Sojourner]

What the fuck, man. Didn't I just see a thread somewhere that said you were taking a leave of absence from the forum? Shouldn't you be blowing in your trombone or something?
The ineffable pull of the INTPc forums ;)

[Hustler]

Since you didn't provide reasons, I will assume that this is one of those subjective thingamajigs that you mentioned earlier.
Or you could just pay attention to what I say and take note of how many times I've stated I don't care. I don't care enough about this discussion to take it anywhere near seriously enough to answer your unending torrent of questions and nit-picks. That's because you're a n00b, this aspect of the discussion is more about amazingkae (who barely registers on my radar anyway) than it is me, and because I'm quite sure this argument is just as boring to everyone else as it is to me.

[Deckard]

I'm not sure what the big deal is but he certainly gets a lot of attention from many folks here.
It's the asshole/egotist persona he affects. Riles people up, in more ways than one. ;)

By the way, amazingkae comes off as a total NF. Not sure why the controversy, other than the fact Hustler made the claim.

[Karl]

What the fuck, man. Didn't I just see a thread somewhere that said you were taking a leave of absence from the forum? Shouldn't you be blowing in your trombone or something?

Take a look at my post again...


I'm going to have about 2 more hours injected into tuesday-thursday, and much more injected into friday. So instead of using that time to refresh INTPC more, I'm going to devote an hour to practicing the trombone and an hour to learning. So starting monday, I'm going to leave for a while.

I may make a topic, depending on how things go, and that would be the exception. I'll also check my PMs.

I know no one cares, but if I come out and say it, then it's easier for me to do, for whatever reason.

I have three more hours of INTP Central.

Actually I'm going to sleep sooner than that but still.

[Sojourner]

Or you could just pay attention to what I say and take note of how many times I've stated I don't care. I don't care enough about this discussion to take it anywhere near seriously enough to answer your unending torrent of questions and nit-picks. That's because you're a n00b, this aspect of the discussion is more about amazingkae (who barely registers on my radar anyway) than it is me,
Actually, it was about your treatment of Fortunato, and indirectly, amazingkae.


and because I'm quite sure this argument is just as boring to everyone else as it is to me.
Have you ever heard of the policy known as "don't feed the trolls"? From your perspective, it may be best rephrased as "don't feed the bore". If you truly don't care, the best solution to these boring, thread-cluttering posts is to stop replying to them. Eventually the bore will get bored and wander off. Of course, you know this already; you only deigned to reply to my previous posts because you were bored.

[venerationOFrabbits]

Because he comes across as very sure of his opinions, I think. I've even gotten "are you sure you're an INTP" once because of this. But if we go to the INTP profile, suddenly everything makes sense...

From my experience an INTJ wouldn't get this involved in a Fe thread such as this. Their Ni would set off red flags and if they did contribute anything, it would be a post which made an end all, be all declaratory statement about accusations against him, or the thread itself, and that would probably be the end of it.

INTJ's can become nitpicky but only when they feel some sort of injustice must be corrected. Then, if they are unsatisfied with life and are out of balance, they may forgo their N and try to correct it with S, that is when endless nitpicks ensue. For the most part, the battle remains emotionless on their end, but because they have disregarded N for S, and are getting nowhere, that may cause some emotion in them, it would be more of an internalized emotional blow rather than a proactive one.

So is Hustler an INTJ?

I don't think so.... Hustler doesn't Se all over the board, he Fe's on it. INTP to the max.

[Architectonic]

Can someone point out why they suspect Hustler is INTJ?

Not all of us do, some of us just wanted to make a joke at Hustler's expense. :ph34r:

[helium]

The most reasonable explanation is that she's not an INTP.

The most reasonable explanation is wrong.

[Supergirl]

Hey Deckard, nice to meet you.


It's the asshole/egotist persona he affects. Riles people up, in more ways than one. ;)

So? Let him be an asshole/egotist if he wants (although I would describe him differently). His manner (or lack thereof) shouldn't bother anyone one bit. If I know INTPs the way I think I do, they shouldn't be getting "riled up" by Hustler or anyone else here at all. But it does make things more interesting. :popcorn:

[fripping]

furthermore, in my 20 years experience as a professional baked potato peeler,

[Deckard]

Hey Deckard, nice to meet you.
Likewise.

So? Let him be an asshole/egotist if he wants (although I would describe him differently). His manner (or lack thereof) shouldn't bother anyone one bit. If I know INTPs the way I think I do, they shouldn't be getting "riled up" by Hustler or anyone else here at all. But it does make things more interesting. :popcorn:
You're right in an ideal sense, however INTPs can occasionally be manipulated into emotional responses by the cavalier asshole attitude and air of superiority that Hustler so carefully cultivates. Though it could be argued that he gets most mileage out of the NFs. Personally it doesn't bother me, nor probably most of the regulars - the drama is entertaining.

[amazingkae]

It's the asshole/egotist persona he affects. Riles people up, in more ways than one. ;)

By the way, amazingkae comes off as a total NF. Not sure why the controversy, other than the fact Hustler made the claim.

I'm COMPLETELY okay coming off on an Internet forum as all NF-ie... I think it's cute. When I grow up I want to be more like IVY. In a planet filled with rude, she always keeps her cool.

:wub:

[Deckard]

I'm COMPLETELY okay coming off on an Internet forum as all NF-ie... I think it's cute. When I grow up I want to be more like IVY. In a planet filled with rude, she always keeps her cool.

:wub:
Yeah, it does seem like you put on the NF persona on a bit...though it seems half affectation, half actually you. So I'm sure you understand the confusion.

[amazingkae]

Yeah, it does seem like you put on the NF persona on a bit...though it seems half affectation, half actually you. Out of curiosity, did you grow up with a lot of NFs?

Thought about answering with more than a no, but this really is Hustler's attention thread. I pm'd a mini piece of explanation.

Hustler's posts about me were great! Well written, with clearly outlined reasons for his entirely logical judgments and conclusions. There is only the few flaws related to the truth of his asserted premises (again); otherwise, as theories they go, they were misdirected and demeaning to everyone striving for integrity on the board (or who come here legitimately for information) but still excellent (as far as word craft extends).

I do hyper-extend my use of imagery to make certain points because without people having the ability to pick up physical or tonal clues about one another's intentions, everyone is at a disadvantage understanding the meaning of words. It saves time for people not to have to question. I also prefer communication with friends, not foes. However, there are lessons to be learned from both.

If Hustler is a genius, he was wise to question my intention. He was just wrong to leap to a conclusion without verifying. It was easier for him to shoot first and keep up the appearance of his reputation.

It is actually not him I object to so much as I think there could be more productive forum organization that would take so much pressure off the mods and users making judgements... without just whining about the forum, consider my across the board suggestion:

If a person flames often, start a purgatory thread for each of them--like a list of flammable quotations. Then, the informational personality research INTP stuff stays in the threads where it belongs, with the inflammatory marks noted and extracted. Instantly, comment counts are tallied in the thread--and LOCK them so only mods can dump comments in them. Once the post count hits high enough for flaming, trolling, and CRAP, put the poster in Purgatory. If they get out and it keeps up, have a structured time list and post count violation chart posted in the rules and you can objectively ban them.

Also consider the logic behind my posting it.

First, this is a great board, and in the digital age where nearly all personal and professional communication goes through a virtual medium, you have to realize that like it or not this board is here as a service. The footprints we leave when we write are professional market images of INTPness. All of this arguing and juvenile shit--no matter how much we cleverly dress it up to be adult with fancy words and clever high tech appearance makes all of us look like idiots.

Second, all people searching for help and information will remember the tone and tenor of this site as a collective--not just as some immortal character of Hustler, Apple, CTG, Meticulum, or whomever the troll-du-jour. They form and impression of who we are and what we're like by what we do and say here--and most types don't take the time to pour through our type description to say, "well he does this because" or "she responds that way when..."

Finally, please understand I truly believe you can't beat any system until you join it and learn to live in it. That's why I am vocally here reminding people that being rude or cruel is a CHOICE. There is absolutely no required law that says if you are an INTP you have to be a bully or a loser or a 24/7/365 hermit. There is also no reason to post an overtly fake personna on the internet.

For these reason, I hope anything I say is taken productively if its words are helpful content. Mods need to gang up and take control to make life less subjective and easier on themselves. If someone gets banned, with a purgatory blog set up for each of the board's regular offenders, then restrictive actions are an unarguable reason (publicly posted numbers of infractions). Post parts of threads that are sent to purgatory can still be questioned, but unless the person on the receiving end vocally overrides its extraction and asks for its replacement, leave it as questionable content.

That's it. I'm unsure how someone like Hustler or myself would fare under the rules of an objective system.

:mellow:














*Any typos are from late hour and not editing. Apologies for my typing. I will edit in the morning.

[Shimpei]

Leave poor Hustler alone, guys. He's so stressed out by all your crap he has to clean up after you on this forum.

[booyalab]

I'm new to this forum, so I hope I'm not out of line here, No, but you are relatively ignorant.

[Ferrus]

Leave poor Hustler alone, guys. He's so stressed out by all your crap he has to clean up after you on this forum.
Must... resist urge... to Godwin...

[hoodrich84]

superman dat hoe. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vum3qgoh0x4)

[Supergirl]

No, but you are relatively ignorant.

I'm new to this forum as a participant. But, I've been an observer for some time before joining. I also re-read Hustler's posts before replying to this thread. So, don't be so quick to judge me, booyalab.

Apparently, you're the one that's ignorant. By way, it's nice to finally meet you.

[booyalab]

I'm new to this forum as a participant. But, I've been an observer for some time before joining. I also re-read Hustler's posts before replying to this thread. So, don't be so quick to judge me, booyalab.

Apparently, you're the one that's ignorant.

I wasn't judging you any more than you were judging everyone who likes to tease Hustler. And unless by "some time" you mean "since Hustler joined", I stand by my original statement.

[Supergirl]

I wasn't judging you any more than you were judging everyone who likes to tease Hustler. And unless by "some time" you mean "since Hustler joined", I stand by my original statement.

That's so ridiculous and illogical. But, perhaps that's how long it would take you to understand someone's attitude and online manner. Pardon me, I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

[Lateralus]

That's so ridiculous and illogical. But, perhaps that's how long it would take you to understand someone's attitude and online manner. Pardon me, I shouldn't be so quick to judge.
How is it illogical? You judged everyone who "dislikes" Hustler, whether you admit it or not.

Hustler has made well over 5000 posts. How many did you read? 500? 1000? I'm guessing that number is closer to 10. That's not a good sample size.

[nfinityi]

This thread is some kinda wonderful. 5 stars :)