Mbti for and of Sherlock Holmes...

[Tlalocone]

I is almost for sure.
N is possible.
T is really possible.
J or P I can not tell.

[Shai Gar]

Mycroft is an INTP - beyond the shadow of a doubt (based on "the greek interpreter", "the final problem" and "the bruce-parington plans"

Sherlock is an INTJ - Textbook INTJ, in the story "The Adventure of the Three Garridebs" he shows his deep love and loyalty for john when john gets injured. in all of the rest of them he shows himself to be INTJ with just about every action possible, as interpereted by the SJ john watson. it is interesting to read the story that sherlock wrote himself, "The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier", it is in "the casebook of sherlock holmes" (yes i had fun at the bookfest)

John watson is an interesting character, i have this feeling that he is an ISFJ, because he is a LOT like my father who is isfj, and his social circle is willingly limited to a few mere people like his wife, sherlock, lestrade, the people he refers only slightly too in the later years in the casebook, though in his junior years he did play rugby, and he became an army doctor in order to help people.

Professor James Moriarty - INTJ a lot like holmes, had holmes every gone bad, and i mean morally bad, not just breaking the law once or twice for good reasons as he did in "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton" when he temporarily became a burgular to steal back from Milverton some documents that would cause his client some scandal (and allowed a woman to murderlise charles)

Colonel Sebastian Moran - no definate idea, probably ESXP, most likely ESFP

Lestrade - i think this inspector was an NF, just a hunch though

[misutii]

i think sherlock was INTP...... we'll blame the J on the coke

[jimkopelli]

What about Sir A.C. Doyle, and what about Dupin, for that matter?

[Shai Gar]

i dont know much about arthur conan doyles life, nor do i know a dupin.

and no, he only did the coke to keep his mind mentally aware, as he states in the novel "The sign of four". he is a definate INTJ

[jimkopelli]

Dupin was from "Murders in the Rue Morgue"... by Poe... and was actually the inspiration for Holmes.

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/murders.html

Dupin appeared first (and in only that story) in 1841... and Holmes didn't show up till 1878.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes

[euterpenc]

Socionics said Shelock Holmes was ESTJ... I don't know if I believe that, but he doesn't seem like an I so much. ENs can spend a lot of time alone reading without mind. ENTP I think would be about right.

[Shai Gar]

zeitgeist, no, he is not estj, you are right there.
he is also not ENTP, you are wrong there.

goddamn read all the books damnit.

and jimkopelli, no, the inspiration did not come from dubin, it came from doyles medical professor, when arthur was training to be a doctor.

hell the link you provided proved it "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle credits the inception of Holmes on his teacher at the medical school of Edinburgh University, the gifted surgeon and forensic detective Joseph Bell, forensic science being a new type of science at the time."

jesus, am i the only holmes fan who has a true understanding of it?


oh and on dupin again, this is from the study in scarlet, where waton meets holmes

Watson says "You remind me of Edgar Allan Poe's Dupin. I had no idea that such individuals did exist outside of stories."

Sherlock Holmes rose and lit his pipe. "No doubt you think that you are complimenting me in comparing me to Dupin," he observed. "Now, in my opinion, Dupin was a very inferior fellow. That trick of his of breaking in on his friends' thoughts with an apropos remark after a quarter of an hour's silence is really very showy and superficial. He had some analytical genius, no doubt; but he was by no means such a phenomenon as Poe appeared to imagine."

[euterpenc]

I've never read it, just what I see on TV.

[Shai Gar]

ah, well the TV sherlock is an arsehole

[euterpenc]

Fair enough..

[Tlalocone]

It is elementary(should and could it be??), dear whatzon(tv?-the memories of Sherlock Holmes.-fine)

[Shai Gar]

did you know, that while sherlock has often said "elementary" and also "my dear watson" he has never once said "elementary my dear watson"

[Lamerstu]

I think that Sherlock Holmes was either an INTJ or an INTP.

TV Sherlock is disgusting:P

[BAJ]

I'm unaware of TV Holmes. I did read all the books, and visit the museum on Baker Street in London.

I'm attracted to Holmes as an interesting character. I wouldn't argue about the personality type of a fictional character, not seriously.

I like how he goes through papers and throws them on the floor. That's sort of like me, I'm afraid.

However, he makes judgments quickly and easily, whereas, as an INTP, I would find that quite difficult.

I have divergent theories in my head, so I have difficulty making decisions. He simply goes down a decision-tree.

Thus I think he's "J"

[Persephone]

I'm unaware of TV Holmes. I did read all the books, and visit the museum on Baker Street in London.

I'm attracted to Holmes as an interesting character. I wouldn't argue about the personality type of a fictional character, not seriously.

I like how he goes through papers and throws them on the floor. That's sort of like me, I'm afraid.

However, he makes judgments quickly and easily, whereas, as an INTP, I would find that quite difficult.

I have divergent theories in my head, so I have difficulty making decisions. He simply goes down a decision-tree.

Thus I think he's "J"

I think he's fast on deciding because he has simultaneously a very developed N and S. Not sure about J though. He's phenomenal at observing things and picking out details, but his ability at connecting the dots and making deductions based on details doesn't fall behind.

[AllAboutSoul]

I loved Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes, now there was an interesting guy.

INTJ

[eggs]

Definitely J, he is way too disciplined to be a P. I like to study things as my mind wanders. He specifically learned things that are useful and tried to forget or never learn things he determined useless.

[man_on_phyr]

i dont know much about arthur conan doyles life, nor do i know a dupin.

and no, he only did the coke to keep his mind mentally aware, as he states in the novel "The sign of four". he is a definate INTJ


Poe is generally recognized as the father of the modern detective story. His C. Auguste Dupin is the forerunner to every literary private detective, from Holmes to Poirot, Spade to Wolfe, Archer to Spencer.




Dupin was from "Murders in the Rue Morgue"... by Poe... and was actually the inspiration for Holmes.

Dupin appeared first (and in only that story) in 1841... and Holmes didn't show up till 1878.


Wrong.

Poe wrote THREE Dupin tales:

The Murders in the Rue Morgue (the original "locked room" mystery)
The Mystery of Marie Roget (the first known detective story based on true events)
The Purloined Letter (the first story in which the detective accepts $ for his services)



and jimkopelli, no, the inspiration did not come from dubin, it came from doyles medical professor, when arthur was training to be a doctor.

hell the link you provided proved it "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle credits the inception of Holmes on his teacher at the medical school of Edinburgh University, the gifted surgeon and forensic detective Joseph Bell, forensic science being a new type of science at the time."

Shai Gar, if you had read a bit further down the page from your quote, you would have seen this:

Although Sherlock Holmes is not the original fiction detective (he was influenced by Edgar Allan Poe's C. Auguste Dupin and Émile Gaboriau's Monsieur Lecoq), his name has become a byword for the part.

Also, there's this (sorry, I'm prevented from posting a link; just search "C. Auguste Dupin" in Wiki):

C. Auguste Dupin is generally acknowledged as the first detective in fiction. The character served as the prototype for many that were created later, including Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle and Hercule Poirot by Agatha Christie. Doyle once said, "Each [of Poe's detective stories] is a root from which a whole literature has developed... Where was the detective story until Poe breathed the breath of life into it?"

Many tropes that would later become commonplace in detective fiction first appeared in Poe's stories: the eccentric but brilliant detective, the bumbling constabulary, the first-person narration by a close personal friend. Dupin also initiates the storytelling device where the detective announces his solution and then explains the reasoning leading up to it. Like Sherlock Holmes, Dupin uses his considerable deductive prowess and observation to solve crimes. Poe also portrays the police in an unsympathetic manner as a sort of foil to the detective.

The character helped established the genre of detective fiction, distinct from mystery fiction, with an emphasis on the analysis and not trial-and-error. Brander Matthews wrote: "The true detective story as Poe conceived it is not in the mystery itself, but rather in the successive steps whereby the analytic observer is enabled to solve the problem that might be dismissed as beyond human elucidation." In fact, in the three stories which star Dupin, Poe created three types of detective fiction which established a model for all future stories: the physical type ("The Murders in the Rue Morgue"), the mental ("The Mystery of Marie Rogêt"), and a balanced version of both ("The Purloined Letter").

Fyodor Dostoevsky called Poe "an enormously talented writer" and favorably reviewed Poe's detective stories. The character Porfiry Petrovich in Dostoevsky's novel Crime and Punishment was influenced by Dupin.

[kali]

IMO Sherlock Holmes was a bit of a Gary Stu and represented all the positive aspects of each mbti preference.

[MisterLiver]

I think Holmes would be classified as mroe of an INFP. Or ISTJ.
INFP rather than T because in 'The Adventure of the Three Garidebs, Watson says
"It was worth a wound—it was worth many wounds—to know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single-minded service culminated in that moment of revelation."
Holmes doesn't get attatched easily, but when he does, it's it witjh the utmost loyalty.

[oxford comma]

Sherlock Holmes is the biggest overlooked Gary Stu. Almost-supernatural powers of induction (and occasionally deduction), a violin virtuoso, proficient in martial arts and fist-fighting, a master at disguise and not to mention meticulously clean.

Can we really quantify this character when the principle of MBTI is "gifts differing", not "the gifted and the not"?

[Tlalocone]

Sherlock Holmes: "Good guy" INTj
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His archenemy, Professor Moriarty: "bad guy/villain" variant of intJ.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/Viktor_Yevgrafov_as_Moriarty.jpg/250px-Viktor_Yevgrafov_as_Moriarty.jpg


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[Professor Chaos]

In the Sherlock Holmes with Downey, he was a textbook ENTP. Using his extraverted intuition to constantly decipher external patterns and had the quick wit of one to boot. Not sure whether or not Holmes was intended to be a ENTP in that flick, or it was just Robert Downey Jr. who is almost always a ENTP in his movies.

[Tlalocone]

In the Sherlock Holmes with Downey, he was a textbook ENTP. Using his extraverted intuition to constantly decipher external patterns and had the quick wit of one to boot. Not sure whether or not Holmes was intended to be a ENTP in that flick, or it was just Robert Downey Jr. who is almost always a ENTP in his movies.

But that Sherlock Holmes version was made for "Hollywood-movie-loving" people, so I do not consider Downey a 'trustful' performer of impersonating Sherlock's character. So I would not say ENTP.(Maybe Downey Jr, is an Entp one, I dunno..:D)

[oxford comma]

In the Sherlock Holmes with Downey, he was a textbook ENTP. Using his extraverted intuition to constantly decipher external patterns and had the quick wit of one to boot. Not sure whether or not Holmes was intended to be a ENTP in that flick, or it was just Robert Downey Jr. who is almost always a ENTP in his movies.

Seems like Robert Downey Jr is ENTP himself, as well as the characters he plays.

His sense of humour:

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Youtubing him purely for MBTI research purposes, and not because he's so unbearably hot, I swear

[mancroft]

The definitive screen Holmes:

http://www.gbscreenstars.co.uk/communities/5/004/007/484/295/images/4530731858.jpg

.

(Although in the books he is more likely to have smoked a clay pipe.)

I go along with Shai Gar - INTJ. Mycroft definitely INTP.

[Shai Gar]

Poe is generally recognized as the father of the modern detective story. His C. Auguste Dupin is the forerunner to every literary private detective, from Holmes to Poirot, Spade to Wolfe, Archer to Spencer.




Wrong.

Poe wrote THREE Dupin tales:

The Murders in the Rue Morgue (the original "locked room" mystery)
The Mystery of Marie Roget (the first known detective story based on true events)
The Purloined Letter (the first story in which the detective accepts $ for his services)




Shai Gar, if you had read a bit further down the page from your quote, you would have seen this:

Although Sherlock Holmes is not the original fiction detective (he was influenced by Edgar Allan Poe's C. Auguste Dupin and Émile Gaboriau's Monsieur Lecoq), his name has become a byword for the part.

Also, there's this (sorry, I'm prevented from posting a link; just search "C. Auguste Dupin" in Wiki):

C. Auguste Dupin is generally acknowledged as the first detective in fiction. The character served as the prototype for many that were created later, including Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle and Hercule Poirot by Agatha Christie. Doyle once said, "Each [of Poe's detective stories] is a root from which a whole literature has developed... Where was the detective story until Poe breathed the breath of life into it?"

Many tropes that would later become commonplace in detective fiction first appeared in Poe's stories: the eccentric but brilliant detective, the bumbling constabulary, the first-person narration by a close personal friend. Dupin also initiates the storytelling device where the detective announces his solution and then explains the reasoning leading up to it. Like Sherlock Holmes, Dupin uses his considerable deductive prowess and observation to solve crimes. Poe also portrays the police in an unsympathetic manner as a sort of foil to the detective.

The character helped established the genre of detective fiction, distinct from mystery fiction, with an emphasis on the analysis and not trial-and-error. Brander Matthews wrote: "The true detective story as Poe conceived it is not in the mystery itself, but rather in the successive steps whereby the analytic observer is enabled to solve the problem that might be dismissed as beyond human elucidation." In fact, in the three stories which star Dupin, Poe created three types of detective fiction which established a model for all future stories: the physical type ("The Murders in the Rue Morgue"), the mental ("The Mystery of Marie Rogêt"), and a balanced version of both ("The Purloined Letter").

Fyodor Dostoevsky called Poe "an enormously talented writer" and favorably reviewed Poe's detective stories. The character Porfiry Petrovich in Dostoevsky's novel Crime and Punishment was influenced by Dupin.

"It is simple enough as you explain it," I said, smiling. "You remind me of Edgar Allan Poe's Dupin. I had no idea that such individuals did exist outside of stories."

Sherlock Holmes rose and lit his pipe. "No doubt you think that you are complimenting me in comparing me to Dupin," he observed. "Now, in my opinion, Dupin was a very inferior fellow. That trick of his of breaking in on his friends' thoughts with an apropos remark after a quarter of an hour's silence is really very showy and superficial. He had some analytical genius, no doubt; but he was by no means such a phenomenon as Poe appeared to imagine."

"Have you read Gaboriau's works?" I asked. "Does Lecoq come up to your idea of a detective?"

Sherlock Holmes sniffed sardonically. "Lecoq was a miserable bungler," he said, in an angry voice; "he had only one thing to recommend him, and that was his energy. That book made me positively ill. The question was how to identify an unknown prisoner. I could have done it in twenty-four hours. Lecoq took six months or so. It might be made a textbook for detectives to teach them what to avoid."

[Robb]

I didnt even remotely think of Holmes when I read the Dupin stories. Perhaps its just the fact that im the only one who touches the dusty mystery section at the local cafe/book store and am cauterized to it, but so far as the mentality of the character I wasnt reminded of Sherlock at all.

[Shai Gar]

Sherlock didn't think so either.