To all those Extroverted Introverts Out there....

[David Carolina]

Since youre an INTP.....isn't it supposed to be against your nature to swallow hook line and sinker that youre EITHER predominantly introverted or extroverted?

You think for yourself, right?

Sure, as an INTP you find your own thought-world more interesting than the predominant herd mentality, but....

Arent there times when you are predominantly an extrovert?

Like when youre communicating with another INTP?

Or when you've had a drink of sangria?

Just trying to oppose ALL labels, and find more honesty.

[garak]

You simply don't understand what the words mean. Extrovert does not mean loud or outgoing, and introvert doesn't mean quiet or shy.

[joft]

to another person, maybe someone who isn't an INTP, that's exactly what those words mean

[garak]

Sure, but when you're talking about MBTI, you gotta get your definitions right.

[meshou]

I have red hair. People notice this.

Are there times I don't have red hair, like if it's grungy, or in the dark?

Meh.

Am I limited by people saying I have red hair? Of course. But I am limited much more by limiting my vocabulary because it's really sort of an orange, and color doesn't exist in nature, and another person might see it as more greenish etc.

Opposition is a fine thing, as is questioning. But there's a point where, once we have questioned something, it runs out of idea space, and we move on with our lives to better ideas.

Jung and the MBTI have a wealth of great ideas. If you're stuck on the idea of what an introvert and an extrovert are, that's much more limiting.

Plus, if you're limited by words, I have to say there must not have been much there to limit to begin with.

[s0978]

Opposition is a fine thing, as is questioning. But there's a point where, once we have questioned something, it runs out of idea space, and we move on with our lives to better ideas.
meshou, are you saying you're bored with the topic?

[meshou]

meshou, are you saying you're bored with the topic?Eh. I've heard this hundreds of times, and it is always profoundly stupid.

"If you don't question the meaning of clear, easy to understand English, you are dumb and sheep-like."

and

"Labels limit people, because everyone who has them is exactly the same."

It always ends up with them arguing against a concrete definition for anything, and devolves into near idealogical solipsisim.

It makes me pray that some day, these people will question why we use words at all, as language limits how people think. And then they will shut the fuck up. But, alas, such people never do.

[joft]

I don't have any fcking batteries

I recharge by sleeping

and I love red hair :blush:

[joft]

It always ends up with them arguing against a concrete definition for anything What's wrong with that?


It makes me pray that some day, these people will question why we use words at all, as language limits how people think. And then they will shut the fuck up. But, alas, such people never do. I do that all the time, I haven't found any other way of communicating yet, though, and I usually don't talk anyway

[meshou]

What's wrong with that?Because questioning how you argue is like burning the floor of the discussion out from under you.

Second, it dooms you to always talk about the same fucking thing-- why talk at all?

Which is fine. But it's done to death in the whiny fucker stage, and has the major drawback of being used almost exculsively by whiny fuckers.

People who've moved beyond it, who recognize that there are other people and ideas, and this is about the best means we have of expressing them right now end up actually getting to interesting new ideas.

So I suppose I object to it on the grounds that it is intellectually barren, used by almost universally unpleasant people, and actively chooses to be boring and repetitive.

Good enough for you?

[joft]

Ah, so that's where my ass went, thank you for handing it back to me :/

[booyalab]

I sometimes resort to arguing about definitions, not because I'm intellectually barren and boring and repetitive, but because if you're going to have any common ground at all in an argument it better be in the words you use and what you mean by them. If I say that cats are dumb and Joe says that cats are smart but Joe means something different by cats than I do, then what's the point? I like arguments to go somewhere and if it's not going anywhere I want to know why and what I can do to move it along and whether it's worth it.

[s0978]

Which is fine. But it's done to death in the whiny fucker stage, and has the major drawback of being used almost exculsively by whiny fuckers.
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