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ShadyShady
6 Jul 2005, 04:54 AM
I dont endorse the jesus juice flowing towards the end of this article but the rest of it is pretty damning...


Why the Left is Dying
Hans Zeiger
December 11, 2004


The National Abortion Rights Action League's youth coalition, Generation Pro-Choice, dispatched an email this week with the headline "Rumors of Gen Pro-Choicers demise are greatly exaggerated." Interestingly, it didn't say that the "rumors" were false, only that they were exaggerated. It is increasingly clear to NARAL, though subtly expressed, that the demise of the Left is imminent.

And it seems that the Left is its own worst enemy. NARAL's "Generation
Pro-Choice" is dying because liberals are birthing fewer children.

James Pinkerton recently contended in Newsday that "the left has
birth-controlled, aborted and maybe also gay-libbed itself into a smaller
role in American society." Overall, the fertility rate in Kerry states is
around 12 percent lower than in Bush states. The Economist reports that in
the ultra-liberal state of Vermont, the annual fertility rate is 49 children
for every 1,000 women of childbearing age. But in the heavily pro-Bush state
of Utah, nearly twice as many children per 1,000 child-bearing-aged women
are being born. Of every 1,000 Utah women, 91 children are born.

Among liberal constituencies, homosexual couples are certainly not having
children. Despite the rapidity and effectiveness with which the homosexual
movement advances in politics and culture, homosexuals simply don't
reproduce.

Abortion has much more to do with the fertility rates amongst liberals. Of
the twenty states with the lowest abortion rates according to the Centers
for Disease Control, only Maryland, Maine, and Wisconsin voted for Kerry. Of
the ten states with the highest abortion rates, only Florida, Kansas, and
Virginia voted for Bush.

States that voted most overwhelmingly for Kerry tend to be ranked among the
highest abortion rates. Kerry's most impressive lead over Bush was in the
District of Columbia where he scored 90 percent. The District also has the
nation's highest annual abortion rate at 46 abortions per 1,000 women of
childbearing age. Of the nine states with the lowest abortion rates - Idaho,
Colorado, Kentucky, South Dakota, Mississippi, West Virginia, Utah,
Missouri, and South Carolina - the average winning percentage for Bush was
nearly 60 percent. Similar trends were projected by Planned Parenthood's
think tank, the Alan Guttmacher Institute, after the 2000 election.

According to the Census Bureau, the 2004 Voting Age Population was 217.8
million. Since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion in the 1973 Roe v.
Wade decision, over 40 million documented abortions have occurred. And of
those aborted Americans, 18,336,576 would have been at least 18-years old on
November 2. John Kerry lost the popular vote by only 3,461,992 ballots.
Kerry could have used another 18 million votes - five times his margin of
defeat. That isn't to say that all 18 million citizens would have voted for
Kerry, or voted at all, but given the power of parental influence the
chances are likely that these aborted Americans would have been a major
Democrat constituency.

What's more troubling for Democrats is that by 2008, the deficit in their
Voting Age Population will have risen to 24,408,960 - those who were aborted
between 1973 and 1990. "Liberals have been remarkably blind to the fact that
every day the abortions they advocate dramatically decrease their power to
do so," writes Larry Eastland in the American Spectator.

Wirthlin polling conducted a recent study of 2,000 Americans to determine
political connections to abortion. Democrats reported having a close
relationship with someone who had an abortion at 49.37 percent, while only
35 percent of Republicans said that they were close to someone who had an
abortion. Projecting these percentages onto the total numbers of abortion
since 1973, Eastland found that there are 19.7 million missing Democrats and
13.9 million missing Republicans. Democrats are at a disadvantage by 5.84
million missing voters.

James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal has referred to these trends as the Roe Effect. "Abortion is making America more conservative than it otherwise would be," writes Taranto. First, "liberal and Democratic women are more likely to have abortions." Second, "children's political views tend to reflect those of their parents - not exactly, of course, and not in every case, but on average. Thus abortion depletes the next generation of liberals and eventually makes the population more conservative."

Liberal author Philip Longman concludes in a recent Washington Post article
that the "empty cradle" is a result of evolutionary natural selection. "When
secular-minded Americans decide to have few, if any, children, they
unwittingly give a strong evolutionary advantage to the other side of the
culture divide."

To suggest that abortion has a very real impact on cultural trends is
neither evolutionary nor, from a conservative point of view, worthy of
celebration. The murder of a human being is equally wrong whether he or she
is born to a liberal or to a conservative, to an anarchist or to a
communist. And the survival of certain individuals over others says nothing
about the comparative worth of one person over another. The abortion of one
child does not indicate that his genes were less favorable than his peer's.
America is built on the principle of equality: that all men are created
equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that
among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That principle
is not predicated on the biological evolution of the human species. Quite to
the contrary, it is founded on the belief that God has made every soul in
His image.

The rejection of that most fundamental truth, the founding principle of
America, is the death wish of the American Left. Liberals have not only
failed to reproduce, they are quite literally killing themselves.

###

Hans Zeiger is a columnist, political activist, and student leader from Puyallup, Washington. At age 18, Hans is an Eagle Scout and president of the Scout Honor Coalition. He is the past chairman of Washington Young Americans for Freedom and a former research analyst at the Evergreen Freedom Foundation. He is a freshman at Hillsdale College in Michigan.

meshou
6 Jul 2005, 04:56 AM
Are there actually fewer liberals? I thought it was about even among voters. Also thought non-voters (college students) tended toward the liberal.

Second, are liberal women actually having fewer children? Do the people who are getting abortions vote in the first place, or do they tend to be in the college demographic?

Third, is politics genetic? I'd be more inclined to believe it's generational.

Too many assumptions in that article, most of them stupid.

Ka.avik
6 Jul 2005, 06:21 AM
not genetic, but parents do influence children strongly. Although personally I would expect as many parents to drive children to an opposing stance, as to encourage simiarlitude

EDIT: just have to say: HAHAHAHAHA to the idea of the left "killing itself". The right is just as hard at shooting, drinking, and illicitly drugging itself into oblivion.

No, scratch that. I just have to laugh: HAHAHAHAHA at the whole of that article.http://forums.intpcentral.com/images/smilies/holy.gif

ShadyShady
6 Jul 2005, 06:46 AM
edited for anyone that saw it: actually ill save that for later...im goin to sleep

Ka.avik
6 Jul 2005, 06:52 AM
edited for anyone that saw it: actually ill save that for later...im goin to sleep I was going to say.. "in the middle of the night?" but, I guess now we'll all have to guess what you were saying.

And, where/who were you quoting? I'd like to pass that on to a coworker (ENFP) who is annoyed at my appearent lack of, shall we say, interpersonal style? P.M. would be fine, if you don't want it getting out yet......

Serotonin
6 Jul 2005, 07:54 AM
I read an article saying that Roe vs Wade was the primary cause of the decrease in U.S. crime rates in the 1990s. Essentially because the socio-economic groups that commit the most crimes i.e. poor and black ones, tend to have the most abortions as well.

Ah, well. Conservatives in the majority. Big deal. It won't change my beliefs. I guess they like to imagine Democrat supporters gnashing their teeth and wailing inconsolably, but it seems both overly precious and an exaggeration.
That said, the guy who wrote the article has a fair point, but the "we must win the culture war!" attitude is a bit puerile. But aging journalists ahemGerard Hendersonahem do the same thing.

PenguinHunter
6 Jul 2005, 09:29 AM
Ok, I'm going to do something immature and post some NOFX lyrics; but seriously, this song always makes giggle like a different personality type. It's actually best if you can here Fat Mike sing it with his nasally voice.

It's called: Idiots are Taking Over

It’s not the right time to be sober
Now the idiots have taken over
Spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?
Mensa membership exceeding
Tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it’s really elementary
The industrial revolution
Has flipped the bitch on evolution
The benevolent and wise are being cornered, ostracized, what a bummer
The world keeps getting dumber
Insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason
Darwin’s rollin over in his coffin
The fittest are surviving much less often
Now everything seems to be reversing, and it’s worsening
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
Now angry mob mentality’s no longer the exception, it’s the rule
And I’m startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
Stranded on a primate planet
Apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
With generals and the armies that obeyed them
Followers following fables
Philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

There’s no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
Political scientists think the same one vote that some monkeys are inbred
Majority rule, don’t work in mental institutions
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

What are we left with?
A nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
Who feel it’s their duty to populate the homeland
Pass on traditionsHow to get ahead religions
And prosperity be a symbol to culture

The idiots are takin over

Swift
6 Jul 2005, 01:01 PM
Don't worry, this situation will correct itself when the Democrats will make it easier for immigrants with high birthrates to acquire American citizenship. Of course, this will drive more whites to the Right and Far Right, but who cares? You can always import more immigrants or encourage high illegitimate birthrates in minorities with more welfare programs.

Swift

kuranes
6 Jul 2005, 02:07 PM
Not familiar with Fat Mike, but I often share the sentiments. One of the few lengthy lyrics I have happily read all the way through, even though it seemed to lose its rhythm at times. I guess the truth is more important than rhythm. ( Last sentence a possible quote for a Catholic signature line to borrow from. :) )

ShadyShady
6 Jul 2005, 03:52 PM
I knew you were going to say that, swift.


doesnt it suck that the hordes know exactly what you are thinking and they laugh about it?
;P

you failed to keep your hoes in check. thats bad pimpin man...
:rofl:

booyalab
6 Jul 2005, 04:41 PM
I think the problem with the left is they need some new, relevant ideas. If social security becomes privatized that could be the nail in the coffin. ( because that would make the right the party with ideas :shock: )

joft
6 Jul 2005, 04:56 PM
the left has ideas, they just aren't allowed to execute any of them considering every branch of the government is controlled by the right right now

Zifmer
6 Jul 2005, 08:56 PM
The liberals need to promote democrates as the common folk and the republicans as the fat, rich bastards who are selling their jobs to china. They have propaganda, but they don't use it to overwhelm the republicans like they could. Oh, and finding a way to destroy mainstream christianty wouldn't be a bad idea for them either. They should create a new religion with a new book like the mormons did.

giftedmadness@hotmail.com
7 Jul 2005, 12:19 AM
The left isnt dying, it's just morphing into what's considered right-wing. Look at Bush's Medicare Old People Pill thing and No Child Left Behind.

abathur
7 Jul 2005, 12:40 AM
The liberals need to promote democrates as the common folk and the republicans as the fat, rich bastards who are selling their jobs to china. They have propaganda, but they don't use it to overwhelm the republicans like they could. Oh, and finding a way to destroy mainstream christianty wouldn't be a bad idea for them either. They should create a new religion with a new book like the mormons did.


Would you honestly rather have a country full of going door to door in suits with books to seek out the heathens, weird underwear wearing Mormon's?

Zero Angel
7 Jul 2005, 12:49 AM
The liberals need to promote democrates as the common folk and the republicans as the fat, rich bastards who are selling their jobs to china. They have propaganda, but they don't use it to overwhelm the republicans like they could. Oh, and finding a way to destroy mainstream christianty wouldn't be a bad idea for them either. They should create a new religion with a new book like the mormons did.
Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Claverhouse
7 Jul 2005, 01:57 AM
The Left is not dying. Due to the process of historical progressivism, yesterday's Left becomes in each generation today's Right. What you today call the 'Right' is mild, left-wing, subversive, corrupt and democratic to a true reactionary ( which latter label includes neither left nor right; nor does it embrace greater more hardline 'rightism': it's merely a different way of looking at things ).

The Leftists of the 1960s are today's establishment, and have become what they despised --- although they still stick to the liberal agenda. There are no obvious leftist movements in western society because capitalism --- which itself is bourgeois moderate leftism --- has temporarily won. Radicalism will now come from the Third World, and have a racialist anti-western tinge: it will be supported by the anti-globalist hordes here who daringly riot in a weak restrained fashion every May Day; but their own precepts prevent them having the necessary strong powerful leaders ( the Greens, for instance, have a definite policy against having notable magnetic leaders --- the late Petra Kelly being the nearest they have had, although she was not powerful ) or going much against the dominant parliamentary systems ( this includes the USA ) since those democratic systems already have achieved the democratic ideals these pseudo-leftists truly believe in.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Burble
9 Aug 2005, 10:02 AM
The Left is not dying. Due to the process of historical progressivism, yesterday's Left becomes in each generation today's Right. What you today call the 'Right' is mild, left-wing, subversive, corrupt and democratic to a true reactionary ( which latter label includes neither left nor right; nor does it embrace greater more hardline 'rightism': it's merely a different way of looking at things ). :ph34r:

Interesting. I have been told before that todays Republicans are very liberal, and the Democrats are very conservative, that is, in relation to the definition of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" in relation to their parties stereotypical, traditional roles.