enneagram type 7

[Helios]

Given that the 7 is part of the "thinking triad" I am suprised that I seem to be the only God damn seven here! (now that MM has gone) We seem to be awash in 5s, which is cool, my fav INTP on earth is a five;(she has yet to post here). Oddly I don't see many 6s, which is the center of the thinkers, with 5 leaning toward feeling and 7 toward instinct.

I would suspect that an INTP would have to fall someplace from 5-8, otherwise you are too far away from thinking to score a T on MBTI, some 4s with close T/F maybe xNTP.

[Xenophon]

I'm a 9, and though I'm close to the T/F border, I'm pretty sure I'm INTP.

[Lee]

I don't know what I am.

[Mariel]

I'm a 7, although not INTP. Seems most INTPs tend to be 5s.

[Helios]

Just for kicks I took a silly online test, the results always about the same anyway

Introverted (I) 66.67% Extroverted (E) 33.33%
Intuitive (N) 69.7% Sensing (S) 30.3%
Thinking (T) 81.25% Feeling (F) 18.75%
Perceiving (P) 86.67% Judging (J) 13.33%

Type 1 Perfectionism |||| 16%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 30%
Type 3 Image Awareness |||||||||| 36%
Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||||| 46%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||| 53%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||| 23%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||| 36%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 63%


Your variant is sexual..............Duh!

[IIMACCAII]

I'm mostly 7, but im also very close to 5...

[coffeezombie]

Sevens are intelligent of course but usually they are out in the world doing things and can't be bothered with Internet message boards.

[elle]

i'm a four but also very close to being a seven

[Imen de Naars]

I'm either ENTP 5 or INTP 7

[misutii]

i'm 4w5, many think it's unlikely for an intp to be 4 but in my opinion it's not too difficult to comprehend. for example i'm divided by 2 viewpoints. when i think of the world, i think analytically and objectively as a typical intp. i'm not motivated to think of the world in terms of feelings blah blah, just cold rational and reasonable thoughts.
when i think about me on the other hand, i'm extremely irrational and led by feelings. i try extremely hard to maintain certain moods and to avoid other ones. i think when most people think of mbti and the enneagram they don't realize that some people are capable of having these 2 differing mindsets. enneagram 4 describes my motivations and what i want, intp describes my behavioural patterns

there is no possible way i'm infp, as i've been to the infp forums and i don't like it. too much unwarranted "compassion." when im discussing/thinking issues that are not me, i want the cold hard facts and don't care about how people 'feel' on these issues, i want to know what they think

i'm definitely not a 5 either as i'm much too self-absorbed and prone to irrational mood swings to such a degree that 5 is impossible. in the end i'd rather focus on my created inner world. when seeking knowledge i tend to seek what i feel will benefit and beautify my inner reality

as for INTP 7s i see that as entirely possible. i often go through mood swings where i desire nothing more than to be high and entertained

out of curiousity helios do you believe you have any wings? like being 7w6 or 7w8?

the only enneagram #s i haven't yet seen represented by intps are 1,2, 3 and 8. an intp 3 i must say would be fascinating to meet

[Helios]

I think that MBTI tells you more about how you doing things, while enneagram is more about the deep sitted why. I think I am a pretty solid 7, but if I leaned one way it would be toward the 8 for sure. So maybe I have a mini-8 wing, lol. I can see a four being an INTP, while being just inside the feeling triad, in boarders 5 which is thinking.

[Melange]

I'm your typical INTP 5w4, I haven't seen too many 7's here. They probably have actual lives and are out doing some fun stuff while us fives are practically joined at the hip to our computers going to forums :)

[sasapurdue]

I always test straight up 5. But I think I have 5w4 leanings.
It's pretty unlikely that an INTP would be a 7. I would think that someone who is testing INTP and testing 7 is probably mis-testing on one or the other. 7's are hedonists and very concrete. They aren't abstractionists. They are people who are big-time doers always looking for life's surface thrills. My ex-best friend (from the time we were 5 to the time we were 23) is a dyed-in-the-wool 7 and we really really couldn't be more different in our approach to life. 7's aren't philosophical, they aren't looking for the deeper meaning of their experiences they are just looking for the experiences.
Keep in mind that 7's are the most extroverted of the enneagram types while INTP's are probably one of the most introverted of the MBTI types. A 7 more likely corresponds to an extraverted type like ESTP or maybe ENTP with strong S leanings.

[Helios]

I always test straight up 5. But I think I have 5w4 leanings.
It's pretty unlikely that an INTP would be a 7. I would think that someone who is testing INTP and testing 7 is probably mis-testing on one or the other. 7's are hedonists and very concrete. They aren't abstractionists. They are people who are big-time doers always looking for life's surface thrills. My ex-best friend (from the time we were 5 to the time we were 23) is a dyed-in-the-wool 7 and we really really couldn't be more different in our approach to life. 7's aren't philosophical, they aren't looking for the deeper meaning of their experiences they are just looking for the experiences.
Keep in mind that 7's are the most extroverted of the enneagram types while INTP's are probably one of the most introverted of the MBTI types. A 7 more likely corresponds to an extraverted type like ESTP or maybe ENTP with strong S leanings.


I know what you are saying agrees with convention wisedom and various sterotypes, but INTP is basically how we work inside our minds. Where our energy comes form, how we link and handle information, what we base our rationalization on, and if we are closed or open ended. To be a 7 at its core is to looking outward to fill an emotional void/disconnect. Just cause one is looking to "import" a solution doesn't mean that one's source of energy is outside. Your enneagram type is the result of your childhood, while I believe we are born with our MBTI.

In fact I would think being a E and 7 would be a blissful combo, since the operation could be successful, since being an I and a 7 is a never ending futility ! Ironically irl I have only met one other 7 of any type ,ever. He is an INTP, needless to say we have been friends since grade school.

[Maniac]

Where to take this enneagram test all of you are taking?

[panda]

Where to take this enneagram test all of you are taking?

Google is your friend.

[Maniac]

Google is your friend.

Duh, but to get results which will mean something when compared with yours or someone elses, I'd want to use the one that was used by others here.

[sasapurdue]

I know what you are saying agrees with convention wisedom and various sterotypes, but INTP is basically how we work inside our minds. Where our energy comes form, how we link and handle information, what we base our rationalization on, and if we are closed or open ended. To be a 7 at its core is to looking outward to fill an emotional void/disconnect. Just cause one is looking to "import" a solution doesn't mean that one's source of energy is outside. Your enneagram type is the result of your childhood, while I believe we are born with our MBTI.

In fact I would think being a E and 7 would be a blissful combo, since the operation could be successful, since being an I and a 7 is a never ending futility ! Ironically irl I have only met one other 7 of any type ,ever. He is an INTP, needless to say we have been friends since grade school.

MBTI is about temperament and how we tend to perceive and interact/relate with the world not just how our minds work. Both systems discuss temperament, MBTI tends to focus more on the cognitive and the conscious while enneagram focuses more on the unconscious and motivations.

If you read the description of the Enneagram type 7 on the enneagraminstitue.com website one of the first things it says is that the 7 is the most extroverted type. INTP is an introvert. One can't be an introvert and an extrovert at the same time. Also in some of the books I have read about personality theory they will have a section which relates MBTI to Enneagram and which types correspond with each other. INTP is most commonly a 5, but obviously someone can be INTP and be some other enneagram type also. If you do some research online (there are many sites that discuss the correlation between these two systems) you will see that type 7 corresponds most often to types ESTP, ENTP, ENFP,and ESFP.
It just kind of doesn't make sense that someone could be an INTP and a 7 since there are elements of what it means to be INTP that contradict what it means to be a type 7 (namely a tendency toward strong extraversion).

If you test as a definite 7, I would guess that you are probably riding a pretty close line on the E/I spectrum and maybe lean more toward being an ENTP. I also suspect that some people on here who are INTP but say that they test 9w1 on enneagram have some ISFP or INFP leanings (they aren't strong T's).

What I said in my previous post really had nothing at all to do with stereotypes or conventional wisdom, it had to do with my interpretations of the reading I have done on MBTI and Enneagram over the past 10 years and my personal nearly 20 year experience with a 7 in my life (which I understand is not exactly how all 7's will be). I consider it below my logical nature to base an argument on conventional wisdom or stereotypes. Not to sound snobby, but I can't imagine being accused of anything worse. There is probably nothing I trust less than conventional wisdom, and stereotypes go without saying.

[Helios]

What I said in my previous post really had nothing at all to do with stereotypes or conventional wisdom, it had to do with my interpretations of the reading I have done on MBTI and Enneagram over the past 10 years and my personal nearly 20 year experience with a 7 in my life (which I understand is not exactly how all 7's will be). I consider it below my logical nature to base an argument on conventional wisdom or stereotypes. Not to sound snobby, but I can't imagine being accused of anything worse. There is probably nothing I trust less than conventional wisdom, and stereotypes go without saying.


Adolf Hilter liked the Alps, Helios likes the Alps, so they "agree" this doesn't mean however that Helios is a Nazi, nor that he gained his views from a certain Austrian.

I personally found almost everything I read about enneagram online to be not worth the time. In fact it was so bad I almost wrote off the system, but found a better understanding could be conveyed by books. I'd suggest that to anyone looking into it. (this is a generic statement, since it seems you have already does this)



edit-(stray thoughts) I always test solid INTP with the "weakest" being indeed the "I" at about 65% I, and 35% E. But that isn't what I would call boarderline. But perhaps it helps. I can't however see how a 7 could ever be anything F-ish, since the 7 more than any other type is most removed from it's feeling. I am confused as to how you can include feelers into the 7s, but exclude an introvert?

[jetboots]

MBTI is about temperament and how we tend to perceive and interact/relate with the world not just how our minds work. Both systems discuss temperament, MBTI tends to focus more on the cognitive and the conscious while enneagram focuses more on the unconscious and motivations.

If you read the description of the Enneagram type 7 on the enneagraminstitue.com website one of the first things it says is that the 7 is the most extroverted type. INTP is an introvert. One can't be an introvert and an extrovert at the same time. Also in some of the books I have read about personality theory they will have a section which relates MBTI to Enneagram and which types correspond with each other. INTP is most commonly a 5, but obviously someone can be INTP and be some other enneagram type also. If you do some research online (there are many sites that discuss the correlation between these two systems) you will see that type 7 corresponds most often to types ESTP, ENTP, ENFP,and ESFP.
It just kind of doesn't make sense that someone could be an INTP and a 7 since there are elements of what it means to be INTP that contradict what it means to be a type 7 (namely a tendency toward strong extraversion).

If you test as a definite 7, I would guess that you are probably riding a pretty close line on the E/I spectrum and maybe lean more toward being an ENTP. I also suspect that some people on here who are INTP but say that they test 9w1 on enneagram have some ISFP or INFP leanings (they aren't strong T's).

What I said in my previous post really had nothing at all to do with stereotypes or conventional wisdom, it had to do with my interpretations of the reading I have done on MBTI and Enneagram over the past 10 years and my personal nearly 20 year experience with a 7 in my life (which I understand is not exactly how all 7's will be). I consider it below my logical nature to base an argument on conventional wisdom or stereotypes. Not to sound snobby, but I can't imagine being accused of anything worse. There is probably nothing I trust less than conventional wisdom, and stereotypes go without saying.

You're not beaming to much openmindedness to this discussion. I am for instance a solid INTP, but very much a 9. Why does a peacekeeper need to be all "F" about it? I have all my life have had that role, partially due to my environment (lots of travelling as a child) very logically and openmindly and am very much a T, not an F.

All this typing (in MBTI and enneagram) leads to stereotyping of types, which is what I think anyone does if they purely define things on the basis of some definition found on some "official" site.

INTP 7 exists, but is not that common, it's a pretty logical conclusion. Ya, I would too say that it means their I is not superstrong, but it's a bit of a moot point.

Stereotype that men are stronger than women, and you will usually be right. But don't completely close the possibilities that if a women happened to be stronger that she must of mistyped herself and is actually a man.

Happy monday.

[sasapurdue]

I think of personality typing as a continuum with people somewhere along each (E-----I etc.) But what is the point of personality types at all if we don't draw some sort of lines at some point. If we are going to say that F's can simultaneously be T's and I's can simultaneously be E's than we might as well just say that personality typing all together is a waste.
Your analogy about stereotyping men and women is not a good analogy to what you call "stereotyping" types because men and women don't come with defined characteristics of man-ness and woman-ness, it is open-ended. The whole point of typing is to say that these are the tendecies that this particular type has.

It's contradictory to say that someone has a tendency toward being a very strong extrovert (enneagram type 7) and being an INTP. I was reading one of the Riso-Hudson books I have at home last night -- Extravertedness is like an overriding theme of 7ness. So how one is a 7 and an INTP at the same time I can't understand.

This is a system created by the people so the system is defined in their terms (reference to your "official site" statement). If it's completely open to interpretation then I could say that it's a monkey. How is that for open mindedness? Personality typing is actually a monkey. I am a 9 and an ENTJ! open minded enough for you?

You say I am not being open-minded but I think you are failing to recognize blatant contradiction.

[placid_panic]

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 26%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 42%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||| 42%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||| 30%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||| 34%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 70%

sp/sx/so


those are my results after taking the enneagram test at similarminds. so i tested highest for a 5, but 9 and 7 are up there too. i really don't think it's impossible to be both an intp and a 7, because extraversion is not a necessary characteristic of a 7. one thing that may be apparently contradictory is that 7's are supposed to be experience-oriented while intp's are supposed to be concept-oriented. but in my own experience i've found that it's often necessary to explore an experience in order to explore a concept. it's not too hard to be a solitary adventurer either. in my own experience i've sometimes had to take relatively extreme measures to find solitude, like hitchiking up and down the coast or moving to another country on a whim.

[misutii]

It's contradictory to say that someone has a tendency toward being a very strong extrovert (enneagram type 7) and being an INTP. I was reading one of the Riso-Hudson books I have at home last night -- Extravertedness is like an overriding theme of 7ness. So how one is a 7 and an INTP at the same time I can't understand.
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no offense but the reason you don't understand is because you're thinking inside the little box that these shallow books have made you. Enneagram is motivations. so 7 is apparently supposed to be one of the more extroverted numbers..., INTPs who are 7s want to be like the ideals that 7s represent... it doesn't mean they have to follow some petty behavioural patterns, enneagram is NOT about behaviour, that's what mbti is for. ignore bad grammar...tired

[Serotonin]

I've come to appreciate what the 7 "mindset" has to offer. Good food, random excitement, quick wit, and a fairly insouciant attitude to life. A close 7w6 friend of mine (ENFP) is only a fairly mild E, but his expansive, joyful approach to life is undoubtedly 7. I've found that with some people who are hard to peg with MBTI, that the enneagram does a better job.

[sasapurdue]

no offense but the reason you don't understand is because you're thinking inside the little box that these shallow books have made you. Enneagram is motivations. so 7 is apparently supposed to be one of the more extroverted numbers..., INTPs who are 7s want to be like the ideals that 7s represent... it doesn't mean they have to follow some petty behavioural patterns, enneagram is NOT about behaviour, that's what mbti is for. ignore bad grammar...tired

those shallow books are written by the foremost experts on the subject. But whatever, I already said that if its whatever we want it to be then I am an ENTJ and a 9.

[ChristiRB]

Heh....ENFJ, 6w7 here. I love having a 7 wing. Wanting to be carefree, active and out in the world balances out my neuroticism.

[INTrPosr]

I'm either ENTP 5 or INTP 7Interesting oxymoron. Clearly E7 integrating to E5 is a good thing, however, the opposite is a disintegration, which is unhealthy. E5s are introverted and E7s are extraverted. If you are truly INTP with E7 characteristics, it may be due to stress.

[sasapurdue]

Interesting oxymoron. Clearly E7 integrating to E5 is a good thing, however, the opposite is a disintegration, which is unhealthy. E5s are introverted and E7s are extraverted. If you are truly INTP with E7 characteristics, it may be due to stress.
good point.

[Helios]

Ok, still got some time to kill here, so I'll wade in. From what I understand being a 7 is from a feeling of insecurity about nurturing as a child, hence one seek things,item and such to fill this void. Since the void is internal the outside is seen a point to which something maybe imported, but this acquisitive mind set, does not have to mean that one's "home" or place of mental regeneration is seated there, only that what isn't inside, maybe outside (that fact that it isnt really, is moot)

[Vagabond]

Ok, still got some time to kill here, so I'll wade in. From what I understand being a 7 is from a feeling of insecurity about nurturing as a child, hence one seek things,item and such to fill this void. Since the void is internal the outside is seen a point to which something maybe imported, but this acquisitive mind set, does not have to mean that one's "home" or place of mental regeneration is seated there, only that what isn't inside, maybe outside (that fact that it isnt really, is moot) If you are saying that the enneagram type is a nurture type, I most certainly have to disagree. In my opinion, the environment/external conditions influence our level of personality health, but not our personality type. My sister is a Seven, I am a Five, we both seeked stuff to fill any void we may have had, but totally different stuff. She looked for sevenish stuff (making friends, having a good time, playing etc), I seeked fiveish things (reading, asking "difficult" questions, questioning my environment's standard perceptions and beliefs etc). The more open-minded and nurturing the environment, the healthier the individual personality-wise, but within the traits of their type. The enneagram is about motivations. Sure it is likely for a Five to be Sevenish and the opposite, just like it is possible for an Introvert to act extrovertish and the opposite; you have to ask yourself what your fundamental motivation is though, above all things. Like it has been said, on the E/I level the Five is quite the recluse, needing to be left alone and looking forward to being left alone most of the times; the Seven is the opposite - not necessarily a party person, but one that needs human interaction and seeks out being around people most of the times, because that's essential to their well-being. For instance, I really can't imagine a Jish Seven either, since the Seven motivation is about keeping the options open, multitasking etc I can't see how they could act INTJishly for instance, even if they tried to for the heck of it. An introvert seven, an extrovert five, a thinker Two, a feeler eight, a P One - the motivation clashes with the expressed behaviour way too much to consider the combinations as viable ones. If I were you, I would look into the xNTP possibility, or the (dis)integration lines of each type. But of course, that's just what I would do. In my mind, the combinations you suggest trash the big picture rather than completing it.

(Irrelevant: For all it counts, I always got Nineish vibes from you Helios. :P )

[Helios]

V, I don't think we are on the same page,I am not sure you understood what I was saying, but I had a few drink at dinner so that may add to the cloudyness. Really the books I read on this didn't seem to impose the limits that many of you have in your understanding, but perhaps that only means I should read more.

[MaroonBells]

just to revive this thread for us 7's

[Serotonin]

Yesterday, after about 3 years of celebrating my connection to this wonderful enneagram point, I decided to cut down. Reasons:

- Weight: I step on the scales yesterday... fuck. 80 kg. Being raised by health-freak parents, I was always on the waif side of normal weight. The last three years I have rebelled against this, and have eaten and drunk what I want, when I want. Lots of Thai takeaway, fries, full-strength beer, pizza, and roast potatoes. God how I love roast potatoes. But carbs aren't filling. They just put on the kilos. So now it's fruit for breakfast, a small sandwich for lunch, lean meat and veggies for dinner, and no snacks. Buh, it's annoying. But I've partied too hard.

- Seven is wasteful. It uses up a lot of energy. It's profligate, it flings money around, and has a soft spot for short-term happiness. After constantly thinking long-term, my latter university days were spent more in-the-moment, enjoying the present laughter, riches, company, what have you. Now my group of uni friends is diverging, and there is less of a reason to go out again and again and again. Which is good. I mean, I'm only 23, there is still a lot of fun to be had, but I'm going to use a bit more of my discretion and not say "yes" to every offer of hedonism, which I have done in the last 3 years.

[doob]

My enneagram results from a test taken on 01-28-08, shortly after joining INTPc.


type score type behavior motivation

7 15 I must be high and entertained to be happy.

5 12 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.

8 12 I must be strong and in control to be happy.

4 10 I must avoid painful feelings to be happy.

6 10 I must be secure and safe to be happy.

9 10 I must be peaceful and easy to get along with to be happy.

2 9 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.

1 8 I must be perfect and good to be happy.

3 5 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.

after finding a link to enneagram descriptions and reading this thread I took the test again today.


Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 36%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||| 40%
Type 3 Image Awareness |||| 16%
Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||| 33%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||| 36%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 70%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 56%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||| 56%

guess I'm a 7 too.



thread bump

[YHWH]

So you're either an odd INTP or the standard ENTP; not too hard to figure that one out.

[edge walker]

Yeah... INTPs are typically 5s (5w6s in the majority, but plenty of 5w4s), almost as commonly 9w1s, more rarely 6w5s, with tiny handful of 4w5s left over. Other Enneagram types for INTPs are basically unheard of, though no combination of MBTI and Enneagram type is completely impossible.

7s are typically ExxPs, with the odd ISFP mixed in.

[doob]

Yeah... INTPs are typically 5s (5w6s in the majority, but plenty of 5w4s), almost as commonly 9w1s, more rarely 6w5s, with tiny handful of 4w5s left over. Other Enneagram types for INTPs are basically unheard of, though no combination of MBTI and Enneagram type is completely impossible.

7s are typically ExxPs, with the odd ISFP mixed in.

Following a link in one of your posts somewhere 'round here, took me to http://ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?&MMN_position=12:12 after reading some information I found an enneagram test I'd taken and ignored, I re-took the test to confirm my results.

I've been sure about "NTP" for a while now, less sure about the I vs E. Using these definitions:


Extraverts often prefer more frequent interaction, while introverts prefer more substantial interaction.

Introverts are rested and energized by solitude, and very effective in solitary pursuits. An introvert (I) is a person who prefers to process thoughts internally. Introverts tend to think before they speak.

Introverts draw their energy from being alone, and expend energy with other people?Extraverts draw their energy from being with people, and expend energy alone.


I'm introverted, though it is true I can be energized with like minded folks. I posted my results...


just to revive this thread for us 7's

[nazirah]

Even though this thread is basically dead, I'd just like to add that my results were 7w8, and 5w4 and 5w6 was off by 1 point.

Felt SO narcissistic after taking it though?