EdwinJefferson - Public Announcement

[Division56]

This is a public announcement that EdwinJefferson was just permanently banned from INTP Central. This is due to his repeated personal attacks on members and his numerous attempts to cause states of unrest on the entire site.

[BorisYeltsin]

"Edwin, I don't know what your personal beef with me is and honestly I don't care. Quite frankly I've become offended by your constant attacks against my personality and identity. Regardless, you don't know me and I don't know you. You don't have any right to "trash" who I am because you don't like me or something about me. So for whatever reason you don't like to see my posts...you don't have to...stop reading it and stop responding if it is an issue for you.

I wont be online again untill late this afternoon, hopefully by then you will have disapeared either from this thread, or the earth in general."

[Division56]

The above post was by Edwin, on a new username.

We have now banned him fully from the site using his ip address.

[file cabinet]

so there is no confusion.. the administration of intpcentral don't want to be nazis but sometimes it is a necessary evil. some new rules/guidelines(that are within reason) will be posted in the coming days.

[Swift]

Too bad this had to happen, but it was his own fault.

[jyakulis]

So can I call him edwin dorkerson like i've been thinking for all this time now that he's gone or does that make me a troll.

[int]

That just feeds his mis-placed arguements, so I wouldn't.

[jyakulis]

ok statement retracted

[Lee]

Unfortunate, but understandable

[synchronous]

Agreed, it is unfortunate. But, I thank the admin of the board to have taken action.

[jyakulis]

I called him getting on as a new account. He prolly should of layed low for awhile. What a complete lack of strategy.

[synchronous]

Much appreciated. Interestingly enough, I was just about to write Edwin a parental, "stern lecture" rant on Garincini's thread. You know the kind - the "I have had enough!!" lecture that us parents like to belt out ;)

[Claverhouse]

I can only say as with Father Jack, I'm so sorry.


And if you've never seen 'Father Ted', it doesn't matter...



Claverhouse :ph34r:



:mellow::mellow::laser:

[SensEye]

He was a strange cat. Not an overt troll, but so out to lunch on so many points. And very defensive about it.

[Garyincinci]

I am truly sorry it came to this. I do not like anyone being censured and banned, but when someone begins to attack you personally and not your opinions, then they go to far. I know that I'm not the cause, I was just the last straw of an apparent string of events I am unaware of. I would however like to thank the admins. I know it's tough making a decision to ban someone (Well...ok...maybe not always) and you will almost always receive greif, but I thank you none the less.

[garak]

:thumbup:

[Edmond Zedo]

Hey gary, I think your opinions...SUCK, AND SHOULD DIE. Well, not really, I don't know them that well yet.

[Boneca]

Thank you.
It was getting a bit like Magic 8-ball; ask a question and receive a random insult.

[Shai Gar]

FUCKING SHIT. CUNTING DAMNIT.
there were times that i liked edwin but mostly i didnt like him, but even so couldnt you have just deleted his account and given him a one week suspension and let him back on with the parole that he does not make personal attacks.

FUCK.
twasnt just ghostehs banning i was opposing as a friend of his, i was opposed to the idea of banning people because there are lots of other ways of doing these things. every heard of moderation of posts for specific people?

[matthew0028]

there were times that i liked edwin but mostly i didnt like him, but even so couldnt you have just deleted his account and given him a one week suspension and let him back on with the parole that he does not make personal attacks.
Not that I have any say in the matter, but Shai has a point. I think that would have worked well, and when he came back (and almost certainly made a personal attack almost right away), you (talking to admins here) could ban him *and* say you warned him. Although, you may have warned him in PMs; I don't know (though confirming or denying this publicly could make anti-ban people more satisfied that he was warned)..


He was a strange cat. Not an overt troll, but so out to lunch on so many points. And very defensive about it.
Yeah, he was definately an odd fellow. I'm not one who is generally easily irritated, but he really managed to get under my skin. The odd thing was that by his posts he *seemed* to think he knew what he was talking about, even though he clearly didn't seem to actually know what he was talking about...

[shaytana]

Not that I have any say in the matter, but Shai has a point. I think that would have worked well, and when he came back (and almost certainly made a personal attack almost right away), you (talking to admins here) could ban him *and* say you warned him. Although, you may have warned him in PMs; I don't know (though confirming or denying this publicly could make anti-ban people more satisfied that he was warned)..


Yeah, he was definately an odd fellow. I'm not one who is generally easily irritated, but he really managed to get under my skin. The odd thing was that by his posts he *seemed* to think he knew what he was talking about, even though he clearly didn't seem to actually know what he was talking about...

He could have had that chance. We never said that we wont review bans, heero is actually working up a system to do just that. But he registered again a couple times after he was banned trying to cause trouble so he is going to have to wait a while before we will review his ban(s) again.

[jyakulis]

He could have had that chance. We never said that we wont review bans, heero is actually working up a system to do just that. But he registered again a couple times after he was banned trying to cause trouble so he is going to have to wait a while before we will review his ban(s) again.


Heeryo got banned? I always kinda liked his posts....

[Edmond Zedo]

I wouldn't have banned Edwin, not for being a goofball, but wtf do I know? I'm only the forum leader de facto.

[shaytana]

Heeryo got banned? I always kinda liked his posts....

Yeah you didn't go to the lynching? Good times...

[jyakulis]

Yeah you didn't go to the lynching? Good times...

Bahh lynchings aren't worth my time. Stonings are the way to go. Everyone gets a piece of the action.

[Lee]

"Jehovah!"

(Monty Python anyone..)

[booyalab]

Edwin Jefferson is in the process of taking over my brain/screen name, "trying to cause trouble". I guess you'll have to ban me now, it's for the greater good.

(p.s. Edwin's the "new" Great Satan)

[rich036]

It seems to be part of the INTP personality to dislike Edwin, so I'll join in :)

From what I've read he seems likean emotional psychotic little troll and I'm glad the moderators know what's best and have made this a more peaceful and pleasant place.

Also, if this many INTPs think he was a troll, they can't be wrong :)

[CreativeChaos]

You know? Now that this Edwin thing has died down a bit, I think I’ll post my NF analysis of the situation.

When I first came here Edwin seem like “one of the guys”. Things were going merrily along, as far as I could tell. I don’t really even look at large parts of this forum, so this is just from what I could see. All of the sudden I saw this “ban so and so” stuff coming out. So, naturally I started watching that with keen interest, but kept my nose out.

It appeared to me that the issue of trolling and freedom of speech stopped becoming the real reason for him posting. Somewhere, somehow, he got his feelings hurt and was on the defensive. I don’t know where or how, but this is how I see it. Then it wasn’t “The Issue”, it was him and his hurt and angry feelings.

At that point, the best thing too have done (I know, this is hindsight, but you can learn from hindsight) would have been to start addressing his feelings. (And yes this might sound simply NF, but it’s not.) If this kind of thing happens again I would recommend the monitors and admins to back off of arguing the issue, because that isn’t the issue anymore. It past being the issue, for him, for quite some time. The real question for him was, “when and where did you get hurt and how can we help you feel better (so your posts won’t be so attacking and disrupting)?” Some of you may have tried to do just that, and he may have come back with “No, it’s the issue”. But I wouldn’t have believed it. I would have shut up about the issue and kept it to, “Okay, but why do you sound so angry? Are you angry?” and persisted with that line of thought, even if he brought you back to “The Issue”.

Yeah, I know, “online counseling”, who needs it? Well apparently this forum did with Edwin. I don’t see him as a “real” troll. Even if he made some very ugly comments and lashed out fiercely. He was a “normal” part of the group for a while and made “normal” contributing comments. I still see them all over the places where I post, and wander, “Gee, what really happened here?”

I see him as a hurt, angry, possibly isolated kid, who was struggling to be heard. Not on this troll and freedom of speech issue which got argued beyond the point of being productive. He is a REAL kid out there somewhere, probably very hurt, dejected and crying his eyes out.

We N’s need to stick together. We are isolated enough as it is. It’s a lonely world out there for a lot of us. We have had lives of feeling all alone and “weird”. And perhaps this is the only place he had to feel some sort of connection. Maybe he’ll come over to the INFP site. I hope he does. He’ll get no arguing from INFPs over there. We hate to argue. (This is not a criticism of you guys, I’m stating this as a matter of fact.)

Personally, I feel sorry for him. When he came to the N site I started, I tried to be really nice to him. He seemed like a perfectly nice, normal, confused kid. That “real” troll was obviously just a jackass coming in to stir up shit. I would suggest letting Edwin come back in, with a “strategy” to soothe his feelings. And ignore his angry, name-calling comments.

I just hate to have seen it come to all this. But I still think it could be fixed. Let him back in, and see him for what he really is. HURT. Very hurt and angry. And treat him accordingly. But it’s your forum, if you don’t want to put up with that, I guess I can’t blame you. He can come to the INFP site, after all and start over again, perhaps wiser, this time.

Just my thoughts and opinion. If you disagree, fine. But I learned my lesson real quick on here, to not argue with you guys. When I first came in I felt attacked at a very quick point, lashed out with some “be ye kind to one another comment” and left for a while to cool my heals. Maybe that’s all that Edwin needs. Some time to cool his heels, “forcibly”, since he didn’t seem to have the maturity to do if for himself.

[Lee]

Was he a troll or did the residents of INTPcentral make a troll?

I may not be religious but the bible does make a few good points about forgiveness, but I fear we may be past the point of no return on this one.

1 more chance might be the right thing to do.

[booyalab]

I know Edwin and it wasn't totally a matter of his feelings being hurt (though I appreciate seeing another perspective for a change)I don't believe he was a troll either, I believe it was a matter of clashing principles/values and the admins wanting to look more in control.

[jyakulis]

Why does it have to be troll. N00b is so much cooler. STFU N00B (I know he wasn't a technically a newbie but n00b is a tad different)

[booyalab]

Why does it have to be troll. N00b is so much cooler. STFU N00B (I know he wasn't a technically a newbie but n00b is a tad different)
but noob is boon backwards....think about it

[rich036]

Mills & Boon publish some good soft porn novels.

[jyakulis]

but noob is boon backwards....think about it

Well to everyone that DOESN'T have dyslexia it'd be fine. Anyway STFU N00B.

[Edmond Zedo]

UFTS z0rz!

[heeroyuy]

If you disagree with bans you can question them, if your reasons show merit the ban will be reviewed. Each ban may have up to one review, and spamming the system will be restricted. This will hopefully satisfy people, at least some, who are worried about abuse, as you can get a list of all banned members (though not their IPs, I'm not cruel). This is the plan, should be done this week sometimeish.

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by EZ:
UFTS z0rz!

Nooge!

[Serotonin]

*pokes head above ground, looks around tentatively*
Hi folks, I disappeared from the fold a while because of the EJ "Ban X" nonsense, but it seems to have been cleared up. Looks like things are back to normal. Yay!
And congrats division56... sometimes we just have to act like INTJs and take decisive action.

[Zero Angel]

You know? Now that this Edwin thing has died down a bit, I think I’ll post my NF analysis of the situation.

When I first came here Edwin seem like “one of the guys”. Things were going merrily along, as far as I could tell. I don’t really even look at large parts of this forum, so this is just from what I could see. All of the sudden I saw this “ban so and so” stuff coming out. So, naturally I started watching that with keen interest, but kept my nose out.

It appeared to me that the issue of trolling and freedom of speech stopped becoming the real reason for him posting. Somewhere, somehow, he got his feelings hurt and was on the defensive. I don’t know where or how, but this is how I see it. Then it wasn’t “The Issue”, it was him and his hurt and angry feelings.

At that point, the best thing too have done (I know, this is hindsight, but you can learn from hindsight) would have been to start addressing his feelings. (And yes this might sound simply NF, but it’s not.) If this kind of thing happens again I would recommend the monitors and admins to back off of arguing the issue, because that isn’t the issue anymore. It past being the issue, for him, for quite some time. The real question for him was, “when and where did you get hurt and how can we help you feel better (so your posts won’t be so attacking and disrupting)?” Some of you may have tried to do just that, and he may have come back with “No, it’s the issue”. But I wouldn’t have believed it. I would have shut up about the issue and kept it to, “Okay, but why do you sound so angry? Are you angry?” and persisted with that line of thought, even if he brought you back to “The Issue”.

Yeah, I know, “online counseling”, who needs it? Well apparently this forum did with Edwin. I don’t see him as a “real” troll. Even if he made some very ugly comments and lashed out fiercely. He was a “normal” part of the group for a while and made “normal” contributing comments. I still see them all over the places where I post, and wander, “Gee, what really happened here?”

I see him as a hurt, angry, possibly isolated kid, who was struggling to be heard. Not on this troll and freedom of speech issue which got argued beyond the point of being productive. He is a REAL kid out there somewhere, probably very hurt, dejected and crying his eyes out.

We N’s need to stick together. We are isolated enough as it is. It’s a lonely world out there for a lot of us. We have had lives of feeling all alone and “weird”. And perhaps this is the only place he had to feel some sort of connection. Maybe he’ll come over to the INFP site. I hope he does. He’ll get no arguing from INFPs over there. We hate to argue. (This is not a criticism of you guys, I’m stating this as a matter of fact.)

Personally, I feel sorry for him. When he came to the N site I started, I tried to be really nice to him. He seemed like a perfectly nice, normal, confused kid. That “real” troll was obviously just a jackass coming in to stir up shit. I would suggest letting Edwin come back in, with a “strategy” to soothe his feelings. And ignore his angry, name-calling comments.

I just hate to have seen it come to all this. But I still think it could be fixed. Let him back in, and see him for what he really is. HURT. Very hurt and angry. And treat him accordingly. But it’s your forum, if you don’t want to put up with that, I guess I can’t blame you. He can come to the INFP site, after all and start over again, perhaps wiser, this time.

Just my thoughts and opinion. If you disagree, fine. But I learned my lesson real quick on here, to not argue with you guys. When I first came in I felt attacked at a very quick point, lashed out with some “be ye kind to one another comment” and left for a while to cool my heals. Maybe that’s all that Edwin needs. Some time to cool his heels, “forcibly”, since he didn’t seem to have the maturity to do if for himself.Nah, he was simply trying to manipulate, either by playing the role of intimidator, judger, or poor-me. Sometimes all of them at once. He came into this community with his own unrealistic judgements ("INTPs are supposed to be non-judgemental", well everyone is judgmental to a degree). Also, He wasnt being on the defensive, he was being on the offensive and clearly using judgement and a poor-me attitude to manipulate for attention, even resorting to attacking superficial things like appearance and calling people names outright, even though I did no such thing, unless it was the truth.

However, If I would approach the situation again, I would give him the energy that he desires, but in a form that I control, not him. In the end he seemed to have started to clean up his act to the point where his behavior was acceptable, but he already made his bed.

Anyways, good job guys. Heres to hoping that next time, justice is more swift.

[rich036]

Talk about killing the last romantic..

[Zero Angel]

What do you mean by that?

[rich036]

Nothing. *runs away*

[Zero Angel]

Do you mean that EJ was being romantic and we put him off somehow and caused him to act offensively? Or that we somehow restrict the use of feeling when we seek to infuse logic with it?

Just curious.

[rich036]

No. I was refering to how you laid into creative's comments, which were 'aww' inducing.

[Zero Angel]

Maybe I am basing my own judgements more on actions too much, rather then trying to discern the motives for those actions. Thanks rich and CC.

[Claverhouse]

Actually, CC's elegy made me feel a trifle unwell... I don't really get feeling.

;P

However, I'd like to set straight the illusion that Universal was the first troll/idiot/roamer. Does anyone else ancient enough to have lived through the First Incarnation, Present At The Beginning, as it were --- bearing in mind Apethedog's warning as to how those elderly here have a rosy remembrance of those far-off days of yore, and thus presently possess a jaundiced view of the vibrant reality of the Now --- remember a weird Russian chap who insisted on speaking in Slavic poetry of his own devising ?


After all these decades, it came back to me. Memory plays funny tricks in your old age.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[mgb]

I have a question.

How come it is so easy for everyone to come out of the closet now and attack Edwin? How come no one felt that they could do that before (I mean, I know you would probably be responded to as soon as you made your feelings known)?

I just find it odd that people wouldn't overtly challenge him on the board about his views and ideas, but instead would disappear to avoid him.

Sorry, don't mean to be defensive or attacking here, I am just curious about the mentality. I also wonder if things wouldn't be easier to deal with in the future if we just got our views out on the table while the person is still around.

[Geoff]

Because he was acting like a troll - deliberately trying to wind up, or outright 'shouting' names. I can not easily comment how much he may have been driven to that by others, but I very much doubt by me (I dont fight with people, much, cant be bothered!)

However, I didnt appreciate posting a reasoned a comment and being told to f*ck off for no apparent reason.

It's well known that when someone trolls like that you just ignore them until they go away, any response is just fuel to the fire, so that is, I am sure, why so many just chose to disappear and ignore. Which is what I did when I came across it.

-Geoff

[Claverhouse]

Some did, some didn't.




Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Utopmk]

...and crying his eyes out.

I just laughed really hard at that one.

[mgb]

Technially, Universal is still a member.

He left after the bulk of members took a run at him (from what I could tell) and probably found that he there wasn't a place under the bridge for him after all.

I agree that Edwin didn't really let anything slide, but maybe we did, which led to his eventual banning.

[rich036]

Why can't we all get along? :hug:

[mgb]

Why can't we all get along? :hug:

I don't know, why do you think we can't just all get along?

[rich036]

Um.. I don't know.. *hides*

[waxwing]

PMs

Understood.

Seriously took me a minute to realize what PMs was.

I do not like the idea of banning, but there was no sense of healthy conflict or argument with EJ. It is ridiculous to make grammar/spelling attacks when you cannot even read a post and comment on or ask about it's content. Sad, really. When I stooped to correcting his grammar, I realized I only did that because he had nothing of substance to say. I would have been willing to listen to him or learn from his views, but he couldn't get past making insults to actually make a substantive reply.

[Swift]

Some did, some didn't. I told EJ loud and clear to fuck off.

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by rich036:
Why can't we all get along? :hug:

Uhhh... are you an NF of some sort rich036? :wub: That's a HUGE complimant of course. Hee!

Yeah, like I said, I really didn't read a lot of the posts or interact with him as much as you all did, since I don't post in a lot of places. So I was just offering another viewpoint, from where I stood. It just seemed that arguing with him became counterproductive. That's just from the "ban" posts, which is all I've really read. I don't know what he had been saying elsewhere. Or what he was like elsewhere. I just tend to ask myself, Why?, Why is this person behaving this way? He acted just fine in my N thread. I had a suspicion at that time that he probably couldn't post anywhere by that time without being snubbed, or people having bad feelings toward him. So I treated him nicely and what I saw was a confused kid. He wasn't sure what his type was, and there were a few of us trying to help.

I just wanted you guys to think about whether you did all you could to understand his behavior and rectify it before banning. I'm not say that you did or didn't. I don't know. I just think something should have been said when he came back as another poster, like, "look we will let you back if you change your behavior,(and be specific about what behavoir), but we are banning you because of thus and so. Perhaps this was done, already. I don't know. I think a specific "stop this x x x behavoir, or else" needs to be done first. I've seen that done elsewhere to some others, I will not name, and I think it's great. And I suspect this was done to Edwin, just not sure.

I think this discussion is very productive. It will help everyone to be better prepared on how to deal with "troll" like mannerisms and to better delineate exactly what is "troll" like mannerisms. And when and how to ban.

[booyalab]

I think this discussion is very productive. It will help everyone to be better prepared on how to deal with "troll" like mannerisms and to better delineate exactly what is "troll" like mannerisms. And when and how to ban.

yes, that would be true...if everyone had equal say in the matter.

[Swift]

We should agree on proper guidelines regarding trolls and flamers.

[Claverhouse]

Incidentally, I hope this can cease to be a sticky in a week or so. Since the court-martial's over, there's no point in EJ's shame living evermore at the top of the thread for future generations to shudder and tremble.

And if they're NF's, to drop a gentle tear...


'He left the name, at which the world grew pale, To point a moral or adorn a tale'



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[songbird36]

Amen to that.

Why kick him when he's down?

[CreativeChaos]

Totally agree. Although I'll still be shedding tears. Hate to see conflict.

[Geoff]

Storm and teacup!

-Geoff

[mgb]

Totally agree. Although I'll still be shedding tears. Hate to see conflict.

I think conflict can be healthier that just holding in the anger.

In this case, I don't feel like we really explored that enough. As soon as Edwin was banned it's like the walls went back up.

[Swift]

Totally agree. Although I'll still be shedding tears. Hate to see conflict. I just looooove those non-INTP's on this board. Always a unique viewpoint or attitude. :hug:

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by MG:
I think conflict can be healthier that just holding in the anger.

Okay that's true too MG. But you have to have a constructive dialogue. If you simply lash out in anger, then the irrational name-calling, stupid, nit-picking, crap comes out. Nit-picking over grammer and spelling? Geeze! What? I'd say stop and count to 1 hour before you respond in anger. Angry responses will breed anger which will breed more anger. So just spilling your guts in anger is NOT healthy. Conflict can become WARS with people killing each other, or can be handled with DIPLOMACY where both sides negotiate an agreement. So how in the world do you do that on a forum site? Hell, if I know. I'm just a N00b and don't know squat about forumns. I just found this fascinating whole new world in September, and think it is a great tool to BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER!!! And it IS. But like any tool, it can be used for harm or good.

I'm trying to learn this stuff, in hopes to use it for good, in case your wonderig why I keep sticking my nose in and posting over here. Online communties are the wave of the future, if you ask me. And we Ns need to stick together, as I've said before. There are too few of us, 20% of the population, to be so divided.

[mgb]

Okay that's true too MG. But you have to have a constructive dialogue. If you simply lash out in anger, then the irrational name-calling, stupid, nit-picking, crap comes out. Nit-picking over grammer and spelling? Geeze! What? I'd say stop and count to 1 hour before you respond in anger. Angry responses will breed anger which will breed more anger. So just spilling your guts in anger is NOT healthy. Conflict can become WARS with people killing each other, or can be handled with DIPLOMACY where both sides negotiate an agreement. So how in the world do you do that on a forum site? Hell, if I know. I'm just a N00b and don't know squat about forumns. I just found this fascinating whole new world in September, and think it is a great tool to BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER!!! And it IS. But like any tool, it can be used for harm or good.

I'm trying to learn this stuff, in hopes to use it for good, in case your wonderig why I keep sticking my nose in and posting over here. Online communties are the wave of the future, if you ask me. And we Ns need to stick together, as I've said before. There are too few of us, 20% of the population, to be so divided.


I just meant that there were some bigger issues that Edwin brought up that we didn't deal with very well. I think some of the rules the admins came up with will help provided they are constructive.

I just feel like it might be good if we are able to deal with some stuff before it blows up. Claverhouse's opinions/complaints thread might be a step in the right direction.

I am not talking about wars here, I just think there should be some room on this site to hash out problems (publicly or not) and not fear the reprocussions.

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by MG:
I just meant that there were some bigger issues that Edwin brought up that we didn't deal with very well. I think some of the rules the admins came up with will help provided they are constructive.

I just feel like it might be good if we are able to deal with some stuff before it blows up. Claverhouse's opinions/complaints thread might be a step in the right direction.

I am not talking about wars here, I just think there should be some room on this site to hash out problems (publicly or not) and not fear the reprocussions.

I agree. Just somewhere where it's not rehashing and rebanning and bashing Edwin. Not in a "We Banned Edwin Thread". (not to put down you admins. I'm sure you're doing the best you know how)

[Zero Angel]

I say that I dont *want* EJ back, but if he did come back, and not act up, I wouldnt mind or try to re-ban him. But going through any trouble to get him back is too much of a risk. Even if it was the 'issues' he had to deal with you must remember that he attacked certain others who did not attack him in the first place, they simply stated facts. Remember that he critisized others harshly because they disagreed with him, even on topics unrelated to his own behaviour.

Therefore, whats done is done. This topic should be locked so that he can die a merciful death (figuratively speaking).

[CreativeChaos]

And thanks you Swift foxy guy! :smooch:

What was that storm and teacup about Geoff? :cry: This crying lady looks like she is wailing up a storm and needs a whole bathtub to cry in. Hee!

[QrioCT]

hmm. occurence while i was gone for a while...meh, too bad.

[Geoff]

Wasnt referring to you specifically CC, although you seem to be the best example at the moment.

I just think this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. Expression mountains out of molehills also comes to mind.

Potential Idiot comes along, behaves for a while, then goes off on one and abuses people left right and centre, gets banned deservedly. Admin say they will review ban if appropriate.

Sounds reasonable enough to me.

-Geoff

[CreativeChaos]

Yeah Geoff. It is a mountain and molehill thing. It's all over that first "troll" who was banned. He tried to stir up shit and boy DID he. Oh, what one little troll can do. Most of the real issue got covered up by mindless, trivial nothings. Oh, well... I say hash it out amoung you and make your decison. I'm just giving an outsiders view, which can be helpful at times.

[mgb]

Yeah Geoff. It is a mountain and molehill thing. It's all over that first "troll" who was banned. He tried to stir up shit and boy DID he. Oh, what one little troll can do. Most of the real issue got covered up by mindless, trivial nothings. Oh, well... I say hash it out amoung you and make your decison. I'm just giving an outsiders view, which can be helpful at times.

Yeah, a 300 post outsider :)

I know it was just a storm in a tea cup, I just worry that we aren't properly dealing with the storm.

[CreativeChaos]

Oh Gee! I hadn't noticed! Wow! In one month I've almost caught up to the amount of posts on the INFP site that I've been on sense September! Gee! This is a much more gabby place, I must say. And it's got a lot of drama and action to boot! No wonder everone comes over here! :D

What a Show! ;)

[int]

... this can cease to be a sticky ...

Done.

[Miss Anthropic]

Nah, he was simply trying to manipulate, either by playing the role of intimidator, judger, or poor-me. Sometimes all of them at once. He came into this community with his own unrealistic judgements ("INTPs are supposed to be non-judgemental", well everyone is judgmental to a degree). Also, He wasnt being on the defensive, he was being on the offensive and clearly using judgement and a poor-me attitude to manipulate for attention, even resorting to attacking superficial things like appearance and calling people names outright, even though I did no such thing, unless it was the truth.

However, If I would approach the situation again, I would give him the energy that he desires, but in a form that I control, not him. In the end he seemed to have started to clean up his act to the point where his behavior was acceptable, but he already made his bed.

Anyways, good job guys. Heres to hoping that next time, justice is more swift.




I think this discussion is very productive. It will help everyone to be better prepared on how to deal with "troll" like mannerisms and to better delineate exactly what is "troll" like mannerisms. And when and how to ban.

The point is EJ knew he was exhibiting trollish behavior. Trolls know when they are being trolls. He was able to keep it up for quite a while. I suppose it is fair to create some sort of review, but if you give trolls, (and children) 2nd 3rd and 4th chances the trollish behavior never goes away. Justice should be swift to be effective. (In total agreement with Zero Angel)

[Swift]

Justice should be swift I like this. :D

[rich036]

I suppose it is fair to create some sort of review, but if you give trolls, (and children) 2nd 3rd and 4th chances the trollish behavior never goes away. Justice should be swift to be effective.

So you're infavour of child abuse?

'Bash their brains out till they listen!' That could be your motto.

I expect you agree with the death penalty too and 'an eye for an eye'.

Shame on you. You don't understand that everyone is different, even though you are on a forum that splits everyone into different personalities.. you don't seem to consider that different children have different personalities, and on the same basis, so must trolls.

[Division56]

I like this. :D

I think justice should be red and fluffy too. :P

[Claverhouse]

you don't seem to consider that different children have different personalities, and on the same basis, so must trolls.
Don't start me on trolls; some of them are little demons, whereas some can be quite charming, One day, Loki and I were out riding in the great forest to the south-west when you leave Hanging-Gate and swarms of the little beasts came out and ran under Sleipnir's hooves, then they wanted compensation, so Loki & Heimdal who was following, said they could each have a piece of gold if they could answer three riddles each, but in the meantime while each was answering others climbed up on Loki's saddle. Then...

Oh, those sort of trolls. We're still talking about them ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Arioch]

Don't start me on trolls; some of them are little demons, whereas some can be quite charming, One day, Loki and I were out riding in the great forest to the south-west when you leave Hanging-Gate and swarms of the little beasts came out and ran under Sleipnir's hooves, then they wanted compensation, so Loki & Heimdal who was following, said they could each have a piece of gold if they could answer three riddles each, but in the meantime while each was answering others climbed up on Loki's saddle. Then...

Oh, those sort of trolls. We're still talking about them ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

ROFL. Very amusing

[Zero Angel]

So you're infavour of child abuse?

'Bash their brains out till they listen!' That could be your motto.

I expect you agree with the death penalty too and 'an eye for an eye'.

Shame on you. You don't understand that everyone is different, even though you are on a forum that splits everyone into different personalities.. you don't seem to consider that different children have different personalities, and on the same basis, so must trolls.Why are you being so defensive?

Indeed, everyone is different, but it would take a very long amount of time and frustration to try and figure a troll out, and probably not be worth it if he's here to flame instead of offer insight. You can either give or you can take, actively or passively. EJ was definitely here to take.

Just because we're angry and want him gone doesnt necessarily mean that we hate him, though we may express such dissatisfaction in our posts. We were not out to 'get' him or to 'gang up' on him, many of us are far too individualistic for that, he simply had to face the consequences of his own actions and thats exactly what happened.

We're just trying to keep order in the house is all. And we can't have order if we repeatedly give someone the chance to inflict abuse on us.

[rich036]

Why are you being so defensive?

Because I don't think child abuse is required.

[Zero Angel]

Then it is a matter of difference of opinion. Do not seek to make exaggerations (ie: death penalty) to make your point sound more valid then it is. In fact you detract from your own point using this method by looking like an attacker instead of a problem solver.

If you are opposed to this so much... Then why didnt you step up and try to help EJ get over his issues? Why did you sit in the back while all this was happening, only stepping out to critisize the way it was handled?

[rich036]

Then it is a matter of difference of opinion. Do not seek to make exaggerations (ie: death penalty) to make your point sound more valid then it is. In fact you detract from your own point using this method by looking like an attacker instead of a problem solver.

If you are opposed to this so much... Then why didnt you step up and try to help EJ get over his issues? Why did you sit in the back while all this was happening, only stepping out to critisize the way it was handled?

I haven't criticised how it was handled. You have misinterpreted what I've typed. Besides, you don't know how it was handled as you only have hearsay.

[Zero Angel]

I've tried reasoning with you without becoming offensive or trying to belittle you, maybe even 'teach' you something without being judgemental, however its clear to me that you would rather keep a closed mind on the subject rather then show some understanding yourself.

Therefore I am done with you. You can think whatever you want.

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by Division56:
I think justice should be red and fluffy too.

I think justice should be blue and solid. :cool:


Valentines day should be red and fluffy. :wub:


;)

[mgb]

I think justice should be blue and solid. :cool:


Valentines day should be red and fluffy. :wub:


;)

i bet you think everyday should be red and fluffy, with Valentines being the reddest and fluffiest.

:P

[Johnny]

...in the meantime while each was answering others climbed up on Loki's saddle...For me, it's still the little buggers that get under the hooves that are the most irritating.

:sombrero:

[CreativeChaos]

Originally posted by Mgbradsh:
i bet you think everyday should be red and fluffy, with Valentines being the reddest and fluffiest.


:rofl:

:thumbup: Oh, gee! Now I feel REALLY understood! :wub:


:cheers:

[rich036]

Oh, gee! Now I feel REALLY understood! :wub:


aw.

I know what I'm getting my valentine for valentine's day. :wub:

a big giant robotic heart that really pumps and circulates blood (around a 50ft person) and encrustated with diamonds where the fat usually covers it up.

:blush:

[EdJefferson]

http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/newfullsize/monkey.jpg

[Zero Angel]

Give up your pointless fight. We will never accept you while you have your current attitude. When you imply that you are fighting for freedom of expression, you are only using an excuse to belittle someone. Now think about the positive things you accomplished and know that you did nothing positive or selfless, you only created disorder.

There are no oppressors here, only your inflated and self-absorbed ego.

Also know that you can get banned in less then half the time it takes for you to make a new account.

[Claverhouse]

PLACE-HOLDER FOR CLASSIC STATUS


And here's one showing why Edwin walked the plank.


Mainly for post no. 29, which has to be read to be believed.


I see him as a hurt, angry, possibly isolated kid, who was struggling to be heard. Not on this troll and freedom of speech issue which got argued beyond the point of being productive. He is a REAL kid out there somewhere, probably very hurt, dejected and crying his eyes out

[Helios]

thank God, and Amen!


best banning ever



edit, but I can think of a few that could beat it.

[booyalab]

yay!

[PenguinHunter]

Mainly for post no. 29, which has to be read to be believed.
:rofl:

the things I've missed by discovering this place so late...