Too stupid to Type

[Arioch]

I was going to put this in my introduction but I thought I'd put it in it's proper place. Proper etiquette and all.

Now there is a certain kid on my MSN. He's the cousin of one of my friends etc etc. Anyway he im'd me and I thought that I could hit two birds with one stone by letting him do a MBTI test.

After asking me about almost every question on the test, he complained that he sometimes has a hard time understanding me (I think it's because I use big words sometimes). I said that the feeling was mutual which he blamed on his dyslexia (which is true).

It was with the greatest of effort however that I withheld the rest of my opinion. Namely that while his poor spelling could be blamed on his dyslexia the rest was due to rampant stupidity. You see while his spelling (or lack of it) was understandable and one could even forgive not understanding the questions on the test other events have made this clear as well. He gets easily confused for instance and you have to tell him simple things twice.

Now.. the real kicker is that his result was....

INTP

[file cabinet]

I don't think you need to be a certain IQ to be an INTP... and.. MBTI tests on the web aren't considered accurate ways to measure your MBTI. If he read the intp description and he says that it sounds like him.. then he reads this essay http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html and it sounds like him then maybe he is.

[int]

So many other factors could account for the apparent "stupidity" as well. Education, parents, unwillingness to be forced to learn if he feels he's not in control, etc... :mellow:

RE: Big Words:

http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=552

Apparently, not all of us find them useful. :mellow:

What'd he have to say about the results?

[Arioch]

I don't think you need to be a certain IQ to be an INTP... and.. MBTI tests on the web aren't considered accurate ways to measure your MBTI. If he read the intp description and he says that it sounds like him.. then he reads this essay http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html and it sounds like him then maybe he is.

Nah. He didn't actually read any profiles.

I think the test has a flaw in it.

You see if you have the same on both E/S/F or J as on I/N/T/ or P then it automatically chooses the latter.

And of the 12 questions he choose both options on 5 of them.
Now I don't really know much anymore about statistics (this will change soon enough) but I think that it would be very hard to get another outcome then INTP.

I have a suspicion that he's a esxp though. But I don't have enough data to have much certainty about it.

[Arioch]

So many other factors could account for the apparent "stupidity" as well. Education, parents, unwillingness to be forced to learn if he feels he's not in control, etc... :mellow:

RE: Big Words:

http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=552

Apparently, not all of us find them useful. :mellow:

What'd he have to say about the results?

He had to go so he didn't actually read any of the profile descriptions. Actually I hope that he forgets about it and I can leave the whole business behind me.

Or just ask him some questions myself to get some results.

[Arioch]

:mellow:

RE: Big Words:

http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=552

Apparently, not all of us find them useful. :mellow:



I forgot to mention that the big words I used were:

"insight"
"experience"
"unbelievable"

My own opinion on big words: I use them sometimes yes. I can't help it. I read and then I pick them up and they just appear in my vocabulary.

Now when I start reciting latin sayings or swear in foreign languages... yes then I'm showing off. Which is why I don't do it... very often.

Hey it's only a few times per year for **** sake!

[int]

I forgot to mention that the big words I used were:

"insight"
"experience"
"unbelievable"


Heh. Well that would make it frustrating then. :)

[Johnny]

It helps to understand the questions, to be sure.

[Google Monster]

It helps alot to have www.dictionary.com open when you are reading and doing some test. English is my second language but I know it pretty well. But there are words I must look up to be sure.

[Vagabond]

I am pretty sure there are stupid INTPs out there, just like there are smart ESFJs. Your type only indicates which functions you use primarily, not how strong your ability to use them is. He is less Extroverted than Introverted, less Sensoring than iNtuitive, decides less upon his feelings that he does upon his rational process (weak as this might be) and he is a P (right, no description there, I'm a P/J mess anyway). INTPs with low IQs or with brain damage might seem unlike their type, but I'm sure they exist.

[nobarcode]

My brother, who is retarded (literally-though not w/downs-syn.), typed as an ESFP, but certainly that does not mean that ESFP's are retarded.

*ponders* <_<

[HairlessBluetick]

I am pretty sure there are stupid INTPs out there, just like there are smart ESFJs. Your type only indicates which functions you use primarily, not how strong your ability to use them is. He is less Extroverted than Introverted, less Sensoring than iNtuitive, decides less upon his feelings that he does upon his rational process (weak as this might be) and he is a P (right, no description there, I'm a P/J mess anyway). INTPs with low IQs or with brain damage might seem unlike their type, but I'm sure they exist.

Yes, which is certainly nothing to get upset over... unless you've got some bizarre INTP-worship thing going on, or consider "INTP" to be your entire identity. (I'm no saying "you" personally, just in general. And welcome to the board. :))

[Seraph]

He's probably a really...really warped INTP, much like the Olsen Twins. Deep down he's got Architect's blood, but something external has turned him stupid.

Hell, I know the feeling. My whole family pressures me to be stupid.

[Jezebel]

I wouldn't defend this guy being an INTP. Since he felt the need to ask for clarification about most of the test questions, I would take it that he didn't fully understand himself or the test well enough to produce accurate results. Also, since you are an INTP and he was asking you about the questions, you may have unintentionally had a bias when explaining them to him and skewed the results. On top of all this, online tests aren't always accurate and I don't see any reason to trust the results unless it does seem fitting. I'm sure Arioch knows this person better than anyone here and would be a better judge of what this guy's personality is like.

I do agree completely that IQ alone is not an indication of personality type though.

I'm just curious, Arioch, how old is he?

[Arioch]

I wouldn't defend this guy being an INTP. Since he felt the need to ask for clarification about most of the test questions, I would take it that he didn't fully understand himself or the test well enough to produce accurate results. Also, since you are an INTP and he was asking you about the questions, you may have unintentionally had a bias when explaining them to him and skewed the results. On top of all this, online tests aren't always accurate and I don't see any reason to trust the results unless it does seem fitting. I'm sure Arioch knows this person better than anyone here and would be a better judge of what this guy's personality is like.

I do agree completely that IQ alone is not an indication of personality type though.

I'm just curious, Arioch, how old is he?He's 14.

Case for INTP:

It came out of the test.
When he was 12ish he knew what Greek mythology was. He didn't actually know anything about it but he knew it existed.

Case for non-INTP
The test was (for reasons beyond me) biased towards I, N, T and P. He didn't know what to answer at 5 of the 12 questions which made them automatically could for I, N, T and or P (depending on what these questions referred to, at least one was S vs N though).

He likes wrestling. Not crazy about it but he likes it (watching it). Or at least so I've heard from his cousin.

No good in games other then fighting games (according to my friend, his cousin)

Facts up for debate:

He needs to have simple things twice. This is second hand information from his cousin (my friend) who came to the conclusion that his cousin (the 14 year old) was "dumb"

He's dyslexic which makes him harder to Type.

Tricky tricky

[Laeskis]

I suppose being of a thinking type simply means one thinks.
It does not propose that one has to be good at it.

[Jezebel]

5 of 12 questions? 12 questions isn't enough to determine anything for someone who isn't sure. There are too many different aspects to each letter of the MBTI. Even I have E, S, F, and J tendencies at times. Interest in wrestling and not being skilled in games is no indication of not being INTP. I'd recommend having him take a good test and reading up on the MBTI before coming to any conclusions.

[Arioch]

5 of 12 questions? 12 questions isn't enough to determine anything for someone who isn't sure. There are too many different aspects to each letter of the MBTI. Even I have E, S, F, and J tendencies at times. Interest in wrestling and not being skilled in games is no indication of not being INTP. I'd recommend having him take a good test and reading up on the MBTI before coming to any conclusions.

I'm not sure of that. It could be that the functions that the INTP are good at lend themselves to at least fair ability with videogames. I don't really know.

What I am more sure of is that I hope not to do MBTI with him at all in the future. Seeing that his English is poor I would have to find a test in his native language (which this one was) and I would have to get him to do it and I'd have to help him answer all the questions.

I have no desire to invest so much energy that will unlikely do me or him any good. After all what if he is a INTP? He seems to have fair social skills (both my own observation and he's cousins) and I have not heard of any of the difficulties INTP's grow up with. He is not teased (according to what he says) and he does not feel like a alien (which I just remembered and should have added in the "not for INTP" section)

If he came out as a NT then perhaps he would develop unrealistic expectations for himself. Being quite thick AND being dyslexic does not lent itself to many of the occupations frequently occupied by INTP's (except perhaps as a employee of the fast food branch).

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Drat ever change your mind in the middle of a post?

1 If he did a better form of the test (and we both have the patience for it) we might have a better insight in what he can do later on. It's very possible that he's some kind of Artisan.

2. I really should go to bed. Not only since sunrise isn't too far away but also because I don't usually change my mind in the middle of a post.

[Division56]

I don't think knowing of Greek mythology is very amazing. I had a pretty good understand of a lot of the stories well before that age.

[Laeskis]

Yeah, I watched "Clash of the Titans" when I was about 5 or 6.

[Arioch]

I don't think knowing of Greek mythology is very amazing. I had a pretty good understand of a lot of the stories well before that age.

Yeah, I knew a lot about them too when I was 4 or 5. Greek, Teutonic, Egyptian.... ahhh reading.

But anyway I recall that if an INTP makes a mistake it’s more often a missing detail then a logical mistake. Therefore I would rather take as many factors in to consideration as I can rather then make a mistake by doing the opposite.

[Arioch]

Yeah, I watched "Clash of the Titans" when I was about 5 or 6.

I loved that movie although I didn't see it till much later. I think I might have read the stories behind it earlier although I'm not sure.

I wonder if that movie was state of the art for its day? I rather liked the special effects and such.

[Seraph]

I don't think knowing of Greek mythology is very amazing. I had a pretty good understand of a lot of the stories well before that age.

Yeah, same here. At age 12, I was already into Typology!