Ideology

[Division56]

A split from the bigotry thread.

What do you think causes people to pick their political ideologies? Is it enviromental, mental?


I know my parents are conservative republicans, and I toed their line until around 12-13. Then my politics just seemed to branch off in a different direction. Now I'm uber-liberal and I find them appaling.


Do any of you have opinions on what causes some political ideas to resonate and others to horrify? This seems like it will be a very interesting topic. :nerd:

[Johnny]

I would say that it takes thought and consideration before political ideas can truly resonate or horrify a person, and those people are in a minority. It can get pretty lonely out there when a person of this disposition stands his/her ground among others. I'll offer a thought train example:

I have no problems whatsoever with granting gay marriage the rights and priviledges offered to heterosexual marriages in the US. But because I am not seeking to marry another man, nor have I assessed any significant negative social impact in supporting gay marriage, it is a non-issue for me. I see it as a diversionary tactic by our Government to keep us in the dark while executing political ideas whose horror, if revealed to the public, would be self-evident. The "small government" platform heralded by the Republican party is, at its core, a muted expression of their self-loathing over their decisions and actions as a political party. War, turbulence in the economy, paranoia...that's what the Republicans claim is in store for big government. We must reduce it before it's too late!

Guess how big government is right now and who is in control.

An argument like this both resonates within and horrifies me, and I wouldn't win many people's hearts over with stinging, shallow assertions like these, Democrat or otherwise. I'm not a politician and don't keep up with much more than my family, friends, and what is offered to me on the newspaper's front page headline. But politics is about control and power, and political ideas that don't achieve these things aren't really political ideas to me, however thought out and considered. Control and power should be the filters used to sift through them.

[paladinoflunaria]

I'm pretty much indifferent to politics. Each man is an island, and things like philosophy (without loss of generality) are MUCH more important in that context.

On the topic: I think that personality types are predisposed to certain ideologies.

[Claverhouse]

I know my parents are conservative republicans, and I toed their line until around 12-13. Then my politics just seemed to branch off in a different direction. Now I'm uber-liberal and I find them appaling.



Their politics, I hope; not... :ph34r:



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[antireconciler]

Very much like you say, I think people will choose political stances that resemble the way they run thier own minds, which is based off of indoctrination that is never shed off and the things they deduce on thier own from external and internal patterns. I tend to identify with globalization, free trade, secular attitudes, small government, etc., because it's natural to believe that the best way I've found to run my mind is also the best way to run the nation. It's not at all THE best way, but it's what I have as of now. It might be appropriate then to view very strong political party identification or rigid political beliefs as close-minded.

[Hypnos]

I'm a strong I and N, so I hate being told what to do; given that a political philosophy only works in so much that everyone follows the same rules, I have no choice but to be libertarian.

:D

[Claverhouse]

I'm a strong I and N, so I hate being told what to do; given that a political philosophy only works in so much that everyone follows the same rules, I have no choice but to be libertarian.

:D

No, no: not that !

I object to being told what to do; but I don't mind telling other people what to do: not if you force me to...



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[sme_bro]

I believe in the libertarian pholosiphy but can see huge problems in implementing such a government.
But id love to see it tried here in New Zealand by libertarianz the new zealand party

[Claverhouse]

I believe in the libertarian pholosiphy but can see huge problems in implementing such a government.
But id love to see it tried here in New Zealand by libertarianz the new zealand party

Much as I hate libertarianism, I can see it would be an improvement in some places :hello: :ph34r: :ph34r: :zzz: , And didn't you have a free-market government sometime in the 90s ? Someone called Roger was involved I think.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Birdsnest]

Partly its what you are brought up with, and partly, (for me) it could be due to a few teachers you get in college.

[Johnny]

Birdsnest: Because I've learned to think critically about things and see a view most people don't see or learn.
This is precisely what a college of liberal arts is supposed to be for, and why tenure is so important. Keep thinking critically, even if you end up challenge your teacher's assertions in the process, and you will be getting your tuition money's worth.

[Division56]

Just bought the book.

[sme_bro]

I believe in the libertarian pholosiphy but can see huge problems in implementing such a government.
But id love to see it tried here in New Zealand by libertarianz the new zealand party

Much as I hate libertarianism, I can see it would be an improvement in some places :hello: :ph34r: :ph34r: :zzz: , And didn't you have a free-market government sometime in the 90s ? Someone called Roger was involved I think.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Yeah, Robert Muldoon (or spelling like that) im not sure about the free market thing(but i think ive heard somewhere that it was tried)our current government is a bit-ah...silly :hello: ;) :blink: we put alot of energy into solving the treaty disputes with the maori while it is constantly re-evaluated-im sure lawyers must make a killing out of treaty issues.
A common law seems the best option, every person with equal rights.

[Hypnos]

Much as I hate libertarianism, [...]

Please expand on why.

[Claverhouse]

Much as I hate libertarianism, [...]

Please expand on why.

A little later. For now I'll just say I prefer divine right monarchy [ a la Charles I of The Three Kingdoms & Wilhelm II of Germany to 19th century liberalism and slave-labour sweat-shops. B)

Besides, as Jesus commended the Centurion for his obedience, if everyone did exactly as they willed, then life would quickly become unendurable. Nothing has ever been accomplished without someone obeying another.
:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :devil:


Claverhouse :ph34r: