Oppression

[Master O]

"Exactly. All of society works on that. It's the Joy of Exclusion, my friend. There's nothin' better in the human experience than the look of a cold face pressed against your window while you sit inside warmed by the fire, eating and laughing right at them. I mean, hell, look around me. These kids who spend 50 hours a week on here, they're the same pimple monsters who take a blade to their arms when they're depantsed at prom and shut out of cool conversations in the hallways. Get them on here, though, and the first thing they do is exclude everybody else in the exact same way. Make no mistake, my friend. There ain't an oppressed group in the world who don't long to do some oppressin' of their own. When you've had a boot on your neck, the only thing that makes you feel better is a neck under your boot."
-John Cheese
www.pointlesswasteoftime.com
"Halo2 and the Criminal Mind"

That site kills! I just laugh and laugh...

Anyhow I am kind of seriously curious about that concept. Do you all think that every opressed group, given the opportunity, would become oppressors themselves - at least to some degree?

[kendoiwan]

Animal Farm my friend Animal Farm...

[Claverhouse]

Do you all think that every opressed group, given the opportunity, would become oppressors themselves - at least to some degree?

Haven't noticed the laws of nature being overturned recently, so yes.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Master O]

but to what degree...

for instance, let's say the jews had somehow gained dominion over Hitler and his Nazis. Would they have sought justice according to some moral standard, or do you think mostly that the tables would have just been turned in order to exact revenge?

[Claverhouse]

but to what degree...

for instance, let's say the jews had somehow gained dominion over Hitler and his Nazis. Would they have sought justice according to some moral standard, or do you think mostly that the tables would have just been turned in order to exact revenge?

*[Oh fuck, not the bloody nazis again...]*

During the latter part of the war, and immediately afterwards, the jews --- or rather individual jews --- did take the place of the nazis and persecuted the Germans and any nazis amongst them with biblical frenzy. Germany was turned into an smashed-up ash-tip; the people starved to half the level that the nazi administration allowed the Netherlands during the late starvation year ( for which level Seyss-Inquart was hung ); women were raped by the Allies, or reduced to selling themselves for cigarettes; most movable property was looted by the Allies; and millions of individuals ended up in camps that were worse than those of the nazis or the Gulag; and confessions were extracted in the time-honoured fashion of humankind wanting to receive the desired confessions.

All good anti-nazis will say it served them right because they were bad people. And responsible for the Holocaust, the worst, and most evil, and most wicked, and most terrible, event ever to have taken place in the universe during all eternity.

We know that because we got the confessions.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Star Cannon]

Oh, ouch. The irony is razor sharp.

I remember an incident in which I got tennis blass thrown at me by an oppressor. I got the oppurtunity for three shots. I took them, but afterward wondered if it could have been solved differently.

So, I guess it really depended on how the oppressed conduct themselves given the opportunity for revenge. If they really just want to make things better (or right), then revenge would be the last thing on their minds.

[Xylix]

There are rare and special exceptions, civil disobeidence is an example of a political change policy not based on reversal. (Of course, you have to be a friggen saint to follow those rules!)


However, revenge is a large part of human nature, and is probably installed by evolution in order to discourage and punish certain kinds of social behavior. Unfortunately, it doesn't translate well into advanced and socially complex societies.