Hello hello all...

[5-reed]

Hi...
I'm Vincent, 32 from north of France... Not sure if I'm INTP or INFP (I remember having tested myself two years ago and think I was INFP...) So let me call me IN?P... Mostly Introvert anyway.
Having visited the forum a bit I feel I have a lot in common with lots of people here, which is not usual.
So a little info on me : I am a freelance and remote web programmer. My hobbies : video games, miniature wargames (mostly historical), role playing games (only Call of Cthulhu at the moment), modelling clay masks, a little of bicycling when the weather is fair to lose weight, going to the movies, and probably a few other things I can't remember right now.
Most of my life I've felt different so it's really a relief to see that other people have similar personnalities as me (I've walked the "I want to change myself" way, and that have created major problems in my head)...
So, now let me jump in the shark pool :mad: !...

[cloakable]

So, now let me jump in the shark pool :mad: !...

Awww, we're not that bad! Well, at least I'm not (I think). Not sure about the others though :D :ph34r:

[file cabinet]

I've worked with php/mysql for a year and have become more intensely involved with javascript over the past couple months(working with DOM nodes and their siblings:ph34r:).

[5-reed]

What's a DOM node ? I'm just restarting this sort of things. Last time I developped a site it was in ASP/Access, a few years ago, but I'm now learning PHP & MySQL too... Could you advise me a good CMS ? (freeware)

[EternalCynic]

Hullo Vince, welcome :).

As for discovering others like yourself (after all that about wanting to change yourself), better now than never :cheers:

[file cabinet]

What's a DOM node ? I'm just restarting this sort of things. Last time I developped a site it was in ASP/Access, a few years ago, but I'm now learning PHP & MySQL too... Could you advise me a good CMS ? (freeware)

If you are using Firefox / Mozilla then the DOM Inspector should be installed then you would be able to examine a page via the DOM structure..
in a nutshell, the DOM is the Document Object Model which is kind of like a 'low-level' view of HTML and gives you a different perspective on how the browser renders HTML.
relevant links:
http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/intro/
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/dom_intro.html#997525


<a href="domain" target="_blank">blahblah</a>
which would look like ...
A
--> href
--> target
#text

collapsed it would look like this:
A
#text


the best CMS hands down is Drupal... not from personal experience but from what I've heard other php developers say. Drupal is considered more of a CMF(content management framework) rather then CMS.
If you are trying to create your own CMS and you need to edit HTML then use this:
http://www.dynarch.com/htmlarea/
I am doing a similar WYSIWYG but it's based off the cross-browser Rich Text Editor put out by Kevin Roth-- except it that was poorly designed and I am adding table support and a lot of other cool shit so I'm tearing the kevin roth version a new ass. I would like to show the one I'm working on to you but it is for the company I work for and not meant to be open source.
The best coding support forum I've found on the web is:
http://www.codingforums.com/
Unlike the other crummy coding forums I've got involved in, CF has some very helpful and intelligent posters-- including me since I usually like to help ppl out, I rarely have the need to ask any questions since I can for the most part find my answer online somewhere(usually in documentation).

My main strengths are in MySQL and PHP... and Javascript is on the way to being one of my strengths as well.

and here is the drupal site:
http://www.drupal.org/

[5-reed]

Thx a lot ! It'll help ! Have you worked in IT for a long time, and was it difficult to find a job ? Here in France it's very hard to find one in IT, and the rare times I found, I ended by bailing out after a few days (mainly because I'm mad and also because I'm totaly lazy which may be related...) So, my best chance now is to create my own job...

[5-reed]

To all those who answered my presentation so far : thanks ! I wouldn't have expected a so quick answer.... eheheh But I'm not used to quick answers because I usually hardly says anything...
Now let me see if I can beat the other noobs in number of answers.... :) Yes I realise this is so childish...

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Vince, do you have AIM? if so, I am on AIM a lot and can be of assitance to you...
im me at GeniusClayton

[Avengardh]

Welcome, I actually wouldn't mind getting into the programming bit of webpages, that is really why I am going to school anyway...
I am actually taking a Javascript class at the present moment :D

~*Aven*~

[file cabinet]

Welcome, I actually wouldn't mind getting into the programming bit of webpages, that is really why I am going to school anyway...
I am actually taking a Javascript class at the present moment :D

~*Aven*~

have you worked with the nodes I was talking about? you gotta be hardcore

[Avengardh]

Welcome, I actually wouldn't mind getting into the programming bit of webpages, that is really why I am going to school anyway...
I am actually taking a Javascript class at the present moment :D

~*Aven*~

have you worked with the nodes I was talking about? you gotta be hardcore

Not yet, we only have one lesson a week (this last Monday was our first one), and our hw this week was "introducing yourself" *rolls eyes*, I kinda get what you are saying but not entirely; and aww, I am not harcore...not really...but I am getting there ^-^

~*Aven*~

[file cabinet]

you don't need a teacher to teach you.. why don't you teach yourself?

[flan2dave]

*head whirls* Technical language boggles this intp's mind.

What was I going to say? Oh yeah, I think you'll figure out where you stand on the T/F scale eventually, I tested as an INFP the first time because I was in an F sort state of mind while taking it, which I still get into every once in a while. The thing is an INTP's F side can be very strong, its the amount of development that distinguishes it as a preference. I can use F as much as I want but it will always be the left hand.

[Salad]

What part of France are you from? I have a friend who just left for Paris to study there for a year, and I may be doing the same next year.

[5-reed]

I live near Dunkerque, between Belgium and Britain, in the french Flanders. It's the most northern city of France. if you have the choice, avoid Paris, because people there are really over stressed and so they're not very friendly. But it's true that for monuments Paris can't be beaten. There are a lot of beautiful and cool other cities apart from Paris...

[5-reed]

Yeah, I think MBTI like all psychological tests is just like a "probe" which only reflects the state of one person at a given time. It's what my shrink says when I speak about IQ and other stuff. I'm kinda obsessed with IQ and intelligence...

[shaytana]

Welcome Vince, that is a common obsession around here.

[Melody]

bah, intelligence doesn't exist

nodes are child's play muahahahahaha

[cloakable]

*head whirls*

Cool! Demonic possesion! This forum has all the cool stuff: Technology, Psychcology, and now Satan! Coolness! *dies from overapplication of sarcasm, irony, & cynicism*

[file cabinet]

bah, intelligence doesn't exist

nodes are child's play muahahahahaha

yes. but having to make them work in both IE and Mozilla makes the work a shitbag. Working with nodes is more tedious although more powerful and fun.
view some sexy JavaScript I did here:
http://intpcentral.com/other/state_search.html
I originally posted the link in some thread I started that no one replied to.. which would be the logic behind my madness :shock:

[Melody]

hmmm I tend to ignore everything but IE... muahahahaha

the only thing I've done with nodes was in connection with SVG.

http://www.techien.com
specifically http://chu.keenspace.com/public/SVGExample.svg

Nothing much...but, I know I could make much more extensive use of DOM if I wanted to.

;P

[file cabinet]

IE is legacy. If you want to experience of the web you should be using Mozilla/Firefox. IE will probably eventually catch up with web standards... but IE7 is a long ways away.

[Deleted Expletive]

France! What a coincidence! Do you know Pierre? Wait a minute... You don't type with a French accent, Faker

[ I think MBTI like all psychological tests is just like a "probe"]. \
'm far more cynical than that. I think they are college term paper surveys and everyone at MIT is laughing at us.

[Melody]

eh o_o all i need is something like this


<html><body>
<h1>lol</h1>
</body></html>

if uv seen my comic site ull notice i dont care for sprucing anything up

if the need arises ill generate pages at request time with perl

if a complex app is required ill just write it in java

ie is behind? i dont think that makes it any less significant because of how many people use it

i am indifferent towards 'experiencing the web' mostly cuz the internet has never impressed me ^0^

[file cabinet]

> ie is behind? i dont think that makes it any
> less significant because of how many people use it
times are a changing
http://spreadfirefox.com/

> if the need arises ill generate pages at request time with perl
of course but you can't compare JS to a serverside language, they both have their purpose.
JavaScript increases usability in certain areas.. server and client side validation are effective if both used. using just one or the other is irritating.

When I said IE was legacy I was referring to several areas:
- CSS standards
- XHTML / HTML standards
- their quirks mode
- DOM standards

The reason standards are important is so you don't have to write shit that has to be tailored to IE-- dom / css support has fallen behind but I will have a feeling it will catch up.


> if a complex app is required ill just write it in java
all languages have their purpose. you could be doing something complex but doing it in java is not a means to an end.

> i am indifferent towards 'experiencing the web'
> mostly cuz the internet has never impressed me
I don't want to make guesses as to what you're trying to say. could you elaborate?

Have you used Firefox ? Out of the box it may seem shitty but that's because it is meant to bare bones.

I am someone who tries to stay off the bandwagon. Yes IE was a good browser but it seems it was abandoned years ago and it is only now that the Microsoft developers are being rounded up for the next IE. There are MS developers who agree that IE has fallen behind.

With CSS there is no more need to use tables as a layout tool. In a way I think they're trying to bring the 'print' experience to the web.... notice this website:
http://www.csszengarden.com/
yes, it does work in IE but with Firefox embracing css2 and css3 things will be looking more 'print'
yes, I don't care what sites look like but the clincher is that usuability and user-friendliness is the future. so if I had a personal page I would probably just do it in times font but with CSS styles being able to apply look and feel without using font tags.

small comparisons IE to Firefox...
IE loads faster... you bet your ass it does but not because IE itself is faster but because IE is tied deep into the ass so in a sense it is already partially loaded when your computer starts.

anyway.. here is an interesting read:
http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/core/scripts/entryViewer.php?ID=5091
an MS fanboy... but read the comments

IE is stale, plain and simple. People like new toys.
Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is all I need to switch, just how many IE windows can Windows handle... I know the answer!!! Thanks to a Spyware program I now know IE handles 99 (or was it 100) instances (I had to reboot an end users amchine to stop the slaughter). Tabbed browsing doesn't exist with IE and to get pop-up blocking you need to own Windows XP and download SP2 (which them blocks local ActiveX and Javascript... instead of actually fixing the underlying security issues)

IE is insecure, plain and simple. People don't like being burned.
Have any 12 year olds from China changed your Firefox Homepage and locked you from ever changing it back? Zero is such a cool number isn't it smilie face As a desktop support analyst I can tell you that the prior happens all the time with IE, stop by your AOL broadband using neighbors to confirm this and to watch their search engine queries redirected, pop-ups fired, software download etc... but hey IE has created an entire new IT industry during hard times so maybe that's a plus?

Web heads?
Quirks mode/Doc Type switching, CSS, Mime types, local AX and scripting, cross platform support???
Oh and IE will never have cool tools like the ass whipping "Web Developer Toolbar" extension (as in extensability, as in tools for the users by the users whenever the hell they want them! not with a service pack when HP/Compaq or some other ultra corp pressures MS to roll them out.)

At any rate I was hardcore Netscaper till IE kicked it's butt and I was a big IE fan till MS let it wilt in the heat... Firefox is decent with better features and way more secure so why would someone not switch? As for your bug list, themes with an early beta... pulease!

Here's hoping IE7 is cross platform, secure and robust and comes out soon.




i read your whole "blog" at once. all the "i love ie, ie is the best, nothing can match ie, i love microsoft for ie, i tried others but i love ie" stuff and it amazes me deeply.

i gotta say im a mac user so i have no real chance of using ie6 - im also focussing on print than on web for several reasons.

first of all:

my safari (browser - khtml engine) renders your site perfectly when i compare it to you screenshots. firefox seems to have a problem here but this is really on of the few sites where problems occure - maybe you read a lot too and triggered this bug to show how bad gecko is - if so - you should implement khtml as well.

second: i used all the browsers out there and a lot of different versions. opera, mozilla, khtml, omniweb (which i believe also uses their own engine), internet explorer and so on.
and i cant share your opinion that ie is still state of the art, in terms of GUI design as well as rendering correctness / performance.

your funny googlebar example made me laugh - you still remember how this startet right ? i mean its no ie feature - its an addon.


third: ie didnt became so widespread because it was way ahaed of any other browser but because of the fact that it was supplied with the os and its common sense that the "avarage user" doesnt really care whats behind a software as long as its working and ready to click - that was the only real advantage why the "market share" was growing.

and its still the fact that ie comes with the system that makes the people use it. it would be another story if a firefox icon was under the ie icon after installing.

fourth:

opensource paranoia - also funny - you see the big advantage is that if there are new movements in the development of the web - mozilla can react very fast and adopt.

microsoft on the other hand puts the hands in the pockets fires the ie team and concentrates on security holes.

instead of acting they sit passivly in their chairs. instead of discussion its ignorance.

sure the w3c is far from perfection but what microsoft is doing cant be the right way either and they dont make me cheer really. instead of doing something usefull microsoft decided to do their own thing licke jscript and the java battle.

fifth:

security holes - HA HA HA - i dont really care how secure or insecure ie is or the others.

i know all the developers try to make it as secure as possible but as long as "avarage users" dont care about firewalls, encrypted wireless lans, ssl secured emails / passwords / logins - why should they care about insecure browsers - i mean if the browser is secure but the passwords fly around cleartext it makes no difference.

sixth:

active x - i have a mac - none of my browsers does active x - i never used it - i never needed it - even when i used windows i never had any - what is it why does it has to exist ?

seventh:

i pray - i really literally pray that microsoft is doing ie7 and i really hope they will do good and even if they copy all the good features from all the other browsers - fine. but they should do it !

besides. apple is using khtml for safari which is open source and its amazingly fast. have you ever tried a khtml browser ? i dunno if there are any available for windows though.

eight: modern browsers need to be transparent to a certain degree


-> done - i still think you should take off your squared glasses - maybe try to point out the good things about other browsers - would love to se a feature request list by yourself.


I had the same feeling after giving Firefox a go after a couple of my tech-friends couldn't shut up about it. A couple of days into it I disovered that it has as many flaws as IE, and I think it comes down to preference, which of the browser faults can you handle?
yes... I agree with this but having IE come with the OS doesn't seem to give people a 'choice.' I consider Firefox for powerusers, not normal users. Firefox has extensions which offer way more than IE could ever offer... but unfortunately you have to download the extensions individually.

some ms related links concerning firefox...
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.FireFoxBrowser

I also find this "bug" hilarious:
http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/core/scripts/entryViewer.php?ID=5107
mainly because you can do something similar in IE and practically another browser..

[5-reed]

Hey Deleted !
Let me prove I'm french : Jacques Chirac is president of France and he's a bloody surrender monkey... Eh... No that doesn't sound french...
So... Dominique de Villepin was our foreign minister and he's a Saddam cock sucker... Eh... No...
Anyway... I know 2 Pierre, so maybe one of them is the one you speak about...

[file cabinet]

I took french in elementary and high school.

[Arioch]

Hello <waves>

[Melody]

> ie is behind? i dont think that makes it any
> less significant because of how many people use it
times are a changing
http://spreadfirefox.com/
*woosh* over my head, i don't know what you want me to read there =b


> i am indifferent towards 'experiencing the web'
> mostly cuz the internet has never impressed me
I don't want to make guesses as to what you're trying to say. could you elaborate?
Yes. "I don't give a shit." As long as I can write something like


<h1>^_^</h1>
, I don't care. : D


Have you used Firefox ? Out of the box it may seem shitty but that's because it is meant to bare bones.
Nope nope. Again, I don't really care. I do not "browse" the web in the sense that I do not actively look for anything unless I need it. This is usually done through google.com. If a search result is for some reason unreadable (which has never happened,) I will go to the next one. The only other sites I visit are a couple email sites and a couple forums.

As for security, I know how to go to Tools->Internet Options...->Security and configure things. Nothing is magically installed on my comp, etc. And, if something is magically installed on my comp,

I don't care. ^_^

I'll just reinstall Windows.

I do acknowledge the energy you placed into your post, though.

My motto is, "If you want security, use Lynx."

[file cabinet]

nah, I wasn't trying to convince you of anything since I realized in your previous post that both you and I have different perceptions of the internet. the only reason I would suggest Firefox to you would be for blocking popups... or if you took a look at the extensions they had available and you found something appealing. or you were interested in tabbed browsing.

[Laeskis]

Hi.
I don't know any French people, but I know (and am related to) lots of Cajuns.
Of course, this has nothing to do with anything...yet again.
<sigh>
Hello anyways.

[Six]

always glad to see someone new from Europe ;)

Welcome :hello:

[file cabinet]

Hi.
I don't know any French people, but I know (and am related to) lots of Cajuns.
Of course, this has nothing to do with anything...yet again.
<sigh>
Hello anyways.

what's a Cajun... I know they have cajun-style stuff at restaurants but I don't think I know what it means.

[Melody]

I have the Google toolbar.

Tabbed browsing is overrated. >_> I'm pretty sure that's why Microsoft hasn't implemented it yet.

[Claverhouse]

Na, they just can't figure out how it works.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[cloakable]

That's my bet, too.

[file cabinet]

I have the Google toolbar.

Tabbed browsing is overrated. >_> I'm pretty sure that's why Microsoft hasn't implemented it yet.

hahah. just wait til tabbed browsing is available in IE 7. The reason it hasn't been implemented is because IE6 hasn't changed in a long time.

[Laeskis]

what's a Cajun... I know they have cajun-style stuff at restaurants but I don't think I know what it means.

Cajuns are a variety of people found in Southern Louisiana (mainly) Many are of Creole descent - being a non-homogeneous mixture of any of these elements: French, Spanish, English, or Black.
Cajuns generally speak a strange localized form of French, often known as 'Cajun French'
Many so-called Cajun Foods are named in 'Cajun French' as well.
These people are also known to be largely (perhaps 99% +) Catholic, and are also known for living primarily in the Swampland areas frequently living in houses on stilts out in the swamps (travelling around in flat bottom boats called 'pirogues' (pronounced "pee-rohs' -long O sound)
I'm related to a few of these crazy people. :rofl:

[s]

"Laissez les bons temps rouler"