Blacks are "Looters" and Whites are "Finders"

[Jacque]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/toxigal/yahoo1.jpg (http://www.dvorak.org/blog/images/katrina/)

[kendoiwan]

Just ain't right :dont: but that's how it is...

[mgb]

I guess that's what happens when they get into the white folk's grocery stores.

[Helios]

That is nothing! All they "found" was some damn bread! Real white people have "found" cities,nations, and whole continents! Hell, if it wasn't for us the whole damn Western hemisphere might still be "lost". But we found that bitch! But many of us like to ignore that since we live on this land that was "found".



edit- the "white" girl maybe latin, if so the then the white guy "found" the food and she got it from him thru a goverment program or maybe she is a hooker.

[ApeTheDog]

Maybe the person who compiled this montage isn't entirely unbiased either, because he's insinuating newspapers are racist, whilst this may also just be a coincidence. It's meaningful, but I don't think it should be made into anything too big either.

[PenguinHunter]

If the possessions of those people were reversed (white people have garbage bag and case of pepsi, black person has backpack and small bag of bread) then I would say white people looting and black person finding. The problem I have isn't with the wording but with who they choose to show photos of. Are there also pictures on yahoo of white people looting? If so, then who cares about this? If not, then maybe there is a problem...

EDIT: by "who cares" I mean in reference to the racial element.

[CoHo]

The whole concept of looting is funny. The Wal-Marts and Targets of New Orleans have written off their entire stocks and are probably just starting to receive their insurance checks... who cares?

[Zero Angel]

The Yahoo News statement says that they present the captions as recieved from the news agencies, with no additional editing done by the yahoo team.

The two different photos were submitted by two different news agencies (Associated press and Agence France Press), so the racial bias is just the choice of wording that the two different news agencies decided to use.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/photostatement

[PenguinHunter]

The Yahoo News statement says that they present the captions as recieved from the news agencies, with no additional editing done by the yahoo team.

The two different photos were submitted by two different news agencies (Associated press and Agence France Press), so the racial bias is just the choice of wording that the two different news agencies decided to use.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/photostatement

But I think the wording is fine for these photos. The problem comes if yahoo only displays photos of black looters and white victims and not the other way around (which I doubt they are doing).

[mgb]

The whole concept of looting is funny. The Wal-Marts and Targets of New Orleans have written off their entire stocks and are probably just starting to receive their insurance checks... who cares?

I know. I love the victim mentality too.

When is New Orleans going to be inhabitable again? 6 Months? A year? All the stuff sitting in stores is going to go to shit anyways. Even if someone does steal a TV or something, they won't be able to use it. It'll probably just sit in their house/place and get looted by someone else.

Insurance is going to cover all that stuff (or try to get out of paying for it) and what's left over will get picked up by state and federal disaster relief funds, not to mention private donations.

My favorite thing so far on the news was on BBC, where he showed people lined up starving and then a block away the police had one looter holed up in a grocery store (not a electronics store). Just love it.

I'd call all the attention paid to looters a diversion from the lack of disaster relief. Instead of making all those people look like poor bastards who got stuck in a big storm and are dying of thirst they get to make them look like animals, so who cares if they end up getting rescued or dying in the streets, they deserve it.

[PiccoloNamek]

If the possessions of those people were reversed (white people have garbage bag and case of pepsi, black person has backpack and small bag of bread) then I would say white people looting and black person finding.

Exactly.

[Master O]

r u kidding me with this... what? like a case of pepsi is a luxury item.

he must have taken it for bragging rights, or to resell later.

everybody's just trying to survive. people wading through chest high water with items one, at the most, could only ingest, are not looting.

color doesn't matter when the shit hits the fan, except obviously, to those with an agenda outside of merely reporting the events of the day.

[aether]

I think that the fact that the photograph on the left shows one individual with grocery goods versus the photograph on the right which shows two individuals, who appear to be a couple, may clarify the situation. It is my theory that the human psyche associates the one individual, especially one carrying good, with selfishness, and in this might have been the case with this photograph and caption. It is also my theory that the human psyche assocites two people, especially a man and woman together (a couple) with a love, family, care, devotion...etc. Which appears on the photograph on the right, hence the captions that have created so much controversy. So lets try to put our emotions to rest.

[indie]

There is definitely something interesting to be said about the potential context of the photos due to journalist/editor cropping. For all we know, the man and woman swimming away from a holed-up 7-11!

[Burble]

On a somewhat unrelated note.....
People need guns to fend for themselves when the shit goes down. Why do I say this? Easy, many years ago I was looking through my dad's NRA magazine that showed some coverage of the LA riots (1992, it think). Instead of letting looters destroy their livelyhood, business owners built barracades outside their shops and guarded them with guns. When times get tough, some civilized people turn base and selfish; ugly but true. When the masses turn barbaric, get your gun.

[meshou]

I've noticed nearly all of the pictures of "looters" and "finders" photographed have someone carrying something to drink-- beer, soda, whatever.

I say let 'em have it. There's dead bodies in that water. Loot yourself some beer and let the kiddies drink up rather than cholera (or worse) any day. There's a reason the middle ages were inhabited mainly by drunk people: because the sober shat themselves to death.

[PenguinHunter]

On a somewhat unrelated note.....
People need guns to fend for themselves when the shit goes down. Why do I say this? Easy, many years ago I was looking through my dad's NRA magazine that showed some coverage of the LA riots (1992, it think). Instead of letting looters destroy their livelyhood, business owners built barracades outside their shops and guarded them with guns. When times get tough, some civilized people turn base and selfish; ugly but true. When the masses turn barbaric, get your gun.

So let's say everyone has guns. Which people are fending for themselves, the starving people shooting shop owners for food or the shop owners shooting people for food?

On a related note, I don't care about my stuff enough to kill someone for it.

[meshou]

On a somewhat unrelated note.....
People need guns to fend for themselves when the shit goes down. Why do I say this? Easy, many years ago I was looking through my dad's NRA magazine that showed some coverage of the LA riots (1992, it think). Instead of letting looters destroy their livelyhood, business owners built barracades outside their shops and guarded them with guns. When times get tough, some civilized people turn base and selfish; ugly but true. When the masses turn barbaric, get your gun.I keep seeng this opinion. I'm not sure if people who share it quite understand the situation.

These are not the riots. This is much worse than the riots. In order to get what is going on, say this:

New Orleans was hit by a nuclear blast. There was a few hours advance notice. Some of the city evacuated, but some took it as a media exaggeration.

Thousands are dead. The only people who stayed and are alive were by dumb luck of placement or geography.

There are visible bodies. Any tap water is contaminated, as is a lot of the food. Nearly every building is uninhabitable, and nearly any store's goods are ruined. You had to flee your (now gone) home, so have no idea what's going on in the outside world.

You have the bright idea of stealing a TV. All the local stations are fuzzy, except a couple. Those keep yammering on about stuff you basically knew-- the world blew up. You're glad you stole it, though, because you later traded it for a soda.

You find sodas and beer here and there, but you're getting sick. It's hot out. You sweat much more than you're finding, and a lot of what you're finding is dehydrating. If you hadn't seen other people who drank the water puking, you would have tried it out of desperation.

You quickly find the best bets for something to drink or eat are supermarkets with pre-packaged food, sodas, and beer and even that may be suspicious.

And even that is a finite resource. In fact, a lot of the rougher people have realized this, and have started claiming "turf" -- basically, ganging up and guarding spots to loot for food and water. If you go inside, you will be shot.

There's been some help. The only place that is a controlled, sheltered enviroment that can house a lot of people is the football stadium. A lot of you are injured. All of you are hungry. There's no place to go to the bathroom. You'd be much better off in the short term away from all these people.

The national guard is there to restore order-- mainly, to put you in a cramped place, with even less food with a lot of sick people for an indefinate amount of time. You are hungry. You are tired. You're probably injured. There's no fucking way these assholes are going to force you to do this.

So, you get a gun, you get your own turf, and you shoot any bastard that comes near, including the guard.

This is much worse than the riots. This is nuclear holocaust, zombie movie survival horror shit. Fuck, this is why zombie movies are scary. They exploit our fear of exactly the sort of shit that's going on right now in New Orleans.

So yes, then is the time to get a gun. But it's not to fucking protect your TV. It's because you and everyone around you is insane.

[Serotonin]

quote from my (white) friend on Friday night:

"If a hurricane went through here I know I'd be nicking shit all over the place".

[Swift]

The argument is that this single photograph shows pro-White and anti-Black media bias, and by inference somehow "proves" that Blacks are not responsible for looting and pillaging New Orleans. Further, the argument maintains that such looting was done out of necessity.

According to the AP, their photographer Chris Graythen said, "I believed in my opinion, that [the Whites] did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word," he writes. "The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water -- we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. It had no doors. The water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water." AP stated that "[w]hen we see people go into businesses and come out with goods, we call it looting. When we just see them carrying things down the road, we call it carrying items."

[jimore]

Mr. President, did the fact that most of the looters were black have any bearing on the abysmally slow response of the federal government ?

"Absolutely not ! We really are that fucking incompetent"

[kendoiwan]

Now your just being an apologist, u do realize that don't you...


The argument is that this single photograph shows pro-White and anti-Black media bias, and by inference somehow "proves" that Blacks are not responsible for looting and pillaging New Orleans. Further, the argument maintains that such looting was done out of necessity.

According to the AP, their photographer Chris Graythen said, "I believed in my opinion, that [the Whites] did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word," he writes. "The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water -- we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. It had no doors. The water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water." AP stated that "[w]hen we see people go into businesses and come out with goods, we call it looting. When we just see them carrying things down the road, we call it carrying items."

[Jacque]

According to the AP, their photographer Chris Graythen said, "I believed in my opinion, that [the Whites] did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word...These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water."

It's the first to cast the stone you guys. If the door is already broken down, it's not looting. Which again implies that whites "find" stores that a black person has already "looted". And I doubt that kid in the picture had enough strength to break into a "locked" store, especially in chest deep water. But I think the kid violated a hurricane rule: thou shall not retrieve coke and bread until it naturally exits the underwater establishment, punishable (as a class 4 felony) by 10 years imprisonment - no less than 2 - with fines up $100k.



AP stated that "[w]hen we see people go into businesses and come out with goods, we call it looting. When we just see them carrying things down the road, we call it carrying items."

I thought it was called shopping. Anyway, I don't think this is in reference to the photos, since most pictures show people carrying things down the road with the caption writers correlating the nature of their procurement with the color of their skin.

This is all stupid you guys. Electronics and valuables yes. It's looting. But when you start throwing petty applications of the word towards unrecoverable perishables in a city that will be underwater for few months, you've displayed a complete lack of sympathy. The tragedy doesn't hit some people from behind a desk. And some of it has to do with racism. :(

[INTrPosr]

Since I am probably, chronologically, one of the older posters on this forum, I would say that nothing has changed over the decades. You consistently see people of color being pasted on the news for crimes, but rarely do you see Whites with their pictures on the news (at least not in the southwest). I found it interesting that Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson continued to call the evacuees, refugees even when they were informed that it was insulting. O'Reilly continued to protest that there was no racism involved because Nagin is Black. I wished the idiot would look up the denotation of the word. The information does not surprise me. What surprises me is that, anyone over 30 is acting as though it's surprising.

[headfonez]

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[PiccoloNamek]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp


Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."

Regarding the AFP/Getty "finding" photo by [photographer Chris] Graythen, Getty spokeswoman Bridget Russel said, "This is obviously a big tragedy down there, so we're being careful with how we credit these photos." Russel said that Graythen had discussed the image in question with his editor and that if Graythen didn't witness the two people in the image in the act of looting, then he couldn't say they were looting.

Swift already posted this quote, but I'll post it again:


I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water — we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow.

[booyalab]

That is nothing! All they "found" was some damn bread! Real white people have "found" cities,nations, and whole continents! Hell, if it wasn't for us the whole damn Western hemisphere might still be "lost". But we found that bitch! But many of us like to ignore that since we live on this land that was "found".



edit- the "white" girl maybe latin, if so the then the white guy "found" the food and she got it from him thru a goverment program or maybe she is a hooker.

Asians are also finders. If not for their isolationist and detachedly arrogant viewpoint they had during the middle ages, Europe might have had some competition. They had the resources and technology.

[booyalab]

Since I am probably, chronologically, one of the older posters on this forum, I would say that nothing has changed over the decades. You consistently see people of color being pasted on the news for crimes, but rarely do you see Whites with their pictures on the news (at least not in the southwest). I found it interesting that Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson continued to call the evacuees, refugees even when they were informed that it was insulting. O'Reilly continued to protest that there was no racism involved because Nagin is Black. I wished the idiot would look up the denotation of the word. The information does not surprise me. What surprises me is that, anyone over 30 is acting as though it's surprising.

pictures of inbreds are bad for business.... *hides*

[jread]

blah blah blah blah

Everything is racial.

[Claverhouse]

Now your just being an apologist, u do realize that don't you...
Swift is not being an apologist. It's another kind of ism. :rofl:

All have the right to believe and say exactly as they wish; but as someone less tolerant than myself once said: 'my patience is not inexhaustable'.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

Excerpts from Michael A. Hoffman II:


First, I am getting e-mail from Christians solemnly noting that the hurricane struck New Orleans shortly before the onset of "Southern Decadence," a homosexual extravaganza scheduled for the Crescent City. A news release which appears to have originated with a Protestant group and is being circulated by Protestants and Catholics, reads as follows:
"ACT OF GOD DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS DAYS BEFORE SOUTHERN DECADENCE: Just days before 'Southern Decadence,' an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarter of New Orleans, an act of God destroys the city."

Makes all of us Christians feel good, even superior doesn't it? "God has struck down those homosexuals, fellow conservative Christians!" What a blasphemous joke on God, His Church and the Bible. What did Jesus say about regarding not the mote in the other guy's eye, but rather the beam in our own?

My God, my God! Are there any faithful Christians left in America, anywhere? Listen big shots, you who are so proud of your spiritual condition that you would gloat over the misery that has struck tens of thousands of the poor and the afflicted in New Orleans, God regards most of us as just as rotten and wicked as any "homosexual." That's right!

We have put away God's law, the immemorial teachings of His Church, the Fathers of that Church and the sacred Scriptures. Let me take this opportunity to refresh your memory, thou morally superior, family values Republicans. The vast majority of conservative, suburban, flag-waving Christians are sodomites, just as guilty in the eyes of God as any homo.
Finally, I have been receiving racialist e-mail in the past few days, also of the golating variety, this time gloating that the "true face" of those "black savages" in Louisiana is at last being shown to the world, as "they loot and pillage" etc. This is exactly where the System wants our minds fixated. As the deadly poisonous benezene and heavy metals from all the poorly regulated and monitored chemical polluters in Louisiana get dumped by the millions of gallons into the Gulf of Mexico, as Halliburton stock zooms from $8.60 a share (in early 2002, when the oil economy was depressed), to yesterday, when it hit $63.44, setting a record for the first time since 1997, the Cryptocracy directs our anger and disgust at the pillage by black paupers. But what of the pillage, on a global scale, by white collars?

A bamboozled, rudderless nation, roiling in greed, drowning in
digitally-enhanced schizophrenia blathered from pulpits secular and religious, cannot and will not please God or build a just and decent commonweal for our chldren.

The buck stops here: homosexuals and blacks are not particularly to blame; the main fault is in our own rotten, hypocritical selves, and the leaders we follow precisely because, deep down inside, we know they embody the same decay and corruption that we do, and the last thing we want is to be challenged to change. We prefer to use our presidents and politicians to give us the cover we need to stay the same. The evil is always "out there," never within.

It's not just New Orleans that needs cleansing. Claverhouse :ph34r:

[illusivemind]

Doesn't the right of private ownership only exist upon a foundation of rights to life and liberty? Why should I obey societies laws when I am not subject to any of it's protections?

[Blue]

I'm putting this thread on Men's issues because women seem to like meddling in our issues rather than their own. I highly suspect that many people who enter "Gender:N/A" are women, judging by their responses. Any MEN agree with me? If so, GUYS, why do you think they neglect to mention their true gender?
No, I don't have a point, I have a QUESTION of opinion FOR MEN.

IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR THAT ON THE MEN'S ISSUES FORUM WITHOUT FEMALES INTURUPTING?
I assume that a lot of females are like this.


People need guns to fend for themselves when the shit goes down. Why do I say this? Easy, many years ago I was looking through my dad's NRA magazine...
Make your own associations.

+Blue

[PenguinHunter]

[/i]
Make your own associations.

+Blue

hehe, you should have started a new thread for that, Too bad the bitching parlour is no more.