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Avengardh
25 Sep 2004, 02:18 AM
So, my ENTP mother told me a while ago that I needed to see things more positively.
My way of looking at the world, I guess, is more realistic. I know that there are things that can go wrong and I always try to prepare myself for those, but I also know that good things can certainly happen. It's not like I look at the world negatively, I just expect the worst but hope for the best, that way if something goes wrong I know what to do and if it goes well I will feel better.
So, do you think you look at the world negatively? Realistically? Positively? Thoughts??
~*Aven*~
Vagabond
25 Sep 2004, 02:39 AM
I am realistic about how this world sucks. :P
Sam172
25 Sep 2004, 02:57 AM
Negative. I've been told many times I need to be more optimistic...
CosmicDust
25 Sep 2004, 04:08 AM
I was called "Eeyore" as a child. I'm not always blatantly pessimistic these days, but I do tend toward a cynicism.
SensEye
25 Sep 2004, 05:21 AM
Realistically and cynically.
Jezebel
25 Sep 2004, 05:41 AM
I voted realistically and positively. I used to be a lot more negative. Things suck sometimes, but it always passes and things get better, and I don't want to waste my life away being negative about everything. Plus I've hung around people who were negative all the time, and it gets to be not fun and annoying after so much of it.
Hypnos
25 Sep 2004, 05:56 AM
Why all the negativity -- the world is your oyster!
Google Monster
25 Sep 2004, 06:55 AM
Realistically and Positively, but at times it can get surreal.
file cabinet
25 Sep 2004, 07:22 AM
this world can only get worse.
file cabinet
25 Sep 2004, 07:47 AM
Why all the negativity -- the world is your oyster!
but why?.. the world is a mine field. life is suffering.
cloakable
25 Sep 2004, 01:20 PM
but why?.. the world is a mine field. life is suffering.
No, it's not. Yes, the world is filled with bad shit, and with a so called 'President' with a room tempeture IQ the leader of the free world, yeah, it can seem that way. But put it into perspective - Burning Bush can only stay in office for another four years, and that is with the GOP throwing another election. Try going out into the countryside on your own for a while - I find being in the mountains alone (or with a few close friends) to be very relaxing.
shaytana
25 Sep 2004, 08:21 PM
Other - Delusional
nobarcode
25 Sep 2004, 11:02 PM
I am realistic about how this world sucks. :P
Yeah, I keep thinking about the description on the other thread regarding what INTP's want.....because the world sucks......because the world sucks....because the world sucks.
Of course I'm realistic. :whistle:
Or, I'm in a mood. ;P
Hypnos
25 Sep 2004, 11:11 PM
Why all the negativity -- the world is your oyster!
but why?.. the world is a mine field. life is suffering.
Only if you're a pansy. Embrace suffering -- transcend it.
EternalCynic
25 Sep 2004, 11:43 PM
*Points to her Screen name* Though I voted realistically. A cynic is a realist, in my eyes :P
jimkopelli
26 Sep 2004, 02:13 AM
Realistic. Anything can get worse, and anything can get better.
indczn
26 Sep 2004, 06:03 AM
Since when is cynic negative? All you negative people give cynicism sucha bad reputation. I dont know what you wanna call my perspective. Something is going to happen, What i don't know, Honestly i dont care because i know that whatever happens, i will be able to deal with it and do whatever is necessary.
cloakable
26 Sep 2004, 12:27 PM
*Points to her Screen name* Though I voted realistically. A cynic is a realist, in my eyes :P
Hear, hear!
... but I do tend toward a cynicism.
Me too, but I'm trying to find more humor in it these days.
cloakable
27 Sep 2004, 03:17 PM
... but I do tend toward a cynicism.
Me too, but I'm trying to find more humor in it these days.
But, cynicism is funny, all by itself! Sarcasm is the perfect expression of cynicism (at least, in my opinion)
CosmicDust
28 Sep 2004, 12:48 AM
Indeed, I do believe cynicism can be humorous. Other times, it can be just plain bitchy. Perhaps my overall mood depends on how I might interpret or use my cynicism. If I'm feeling especially positive and playful, I might come up with a cynical joke; in more neutral or negative states, using that same joke as a dismissal or damnation, or possibly as a joke in order to try to get my mood back up.
Boozer
28 Sep 2004, 05:52 PM
I know that there are things that can go wrong and I always try to prepare myself for those
That pretty much sums up my attitude troward life. Though I do have a wickedly sarcastic sense of humor that let's me deal with it all.
I have a tendency to expect the worse and be mentally prepared but not act quickly enough to avoid the situation. For example I see a relationship going south, but analyze so much that it goes despite the fact that I saw it coming. I think it's just my mind wanting to be able to say to my heart "see? I knew it!"
Claverhouse
28 Sep 2004, 06:19 PM
I can never bear being sarcastic in case I hurt someone's feelings.
BTW, I'm Negative & Realistic. Optimism is for girlies.
Uncynically
Claverhouse :ph34r:
this world can only get worse.
I like that.
booyalab
28 Sep 2004, 07:58 PM
people only pay attention to the data that matches their preconceived notions (which may be a result of a random series of positive or negative occurrences)...so it's not about whether the optimist or the pessimist is right, it's just a basic human inability to perceive chance accurately :)
Crazy
14 Oct 2004, 08:17 PM
My glass has a Liquid to gas ratio of 1:1. 50% Liquid, 50% Gas, 151 Proof. I like to be optimistic, but I also like being realistic. I'm realistic in an optomistic way. If things are the worst they could be, It can't get any worse. If things are really bad, but can get worse, well, It could always be worse. If things are the best they can be, then isn't it great that we are here to enjoy it. Other people have it much worse.
Arioch
14 Oct 2004, 11:40 PM
I was called "Eeyore" as a child. I'm not always blatantly pessimistic these days, but I do tend toward a cynicism.
I remember when I was a child and we learned about the word "pessimist" One of the other pupils turned towards me and said "haha, your a messimist" (as if it were a rude word to call someone).
I looked at him, sighed and tried to explain that pessimist were pronounced this way and that no it was not a rude word but simply a way of seeing the world.
Being 8 years old was a amusing year..... probably not really but at this moment I'd like to delude myself.
INTrPosr
15 Oct 2004, 03:48 PM
Interestingly, my ENFJ mother always claimed that I was too cynical and negative. I always considered myself just a realist.
SheepDog
19 Nov 2004, 06:02 AM
I'm still trying to figure the world out. I don't know enough to judge, or even to say that my view is realistic or not.
"hell is other people" -- jean-paul sartre
"love is hell" -- ryan adams
I was just telling someone this morning: pessimism is awesome, because if you expect the worst, good things will be not only good, but pleasantly surprising as well.
Scott
codeElemental
19 Nov 2004, 03:32 PM
"hell is other people" -- jean-paul sartre
"love is hell" -- ryan adams
I was just telling someone this morning: pessimism is awesome, because if you expect the worst, good things will be not only good, but pleasantly surprising as well.
Scott
Quite true, that. I remember people back in college complaining how things weren't turning out how they expected, but since I'd expected the worst, "just ok" seemed great.
indie
19 Nov 2004, 04:31 PM
hmm. . . realistically and (positively) or (negatively), depending on the day.
Sackanaka
22 Nov 2004, 11:18 PM
I like how the wording goes, "How do you think you view the world?"
I'd like to say realistically, and like many others there are variables that shift me from negative to positive like some kind of absurd circadian rhythm, but I'm also preoccupied with determining what "realistic" means in the first place. To me I'm being realistic; to others I may be downright moronic. And they might be right :mellow:
Boneca
22 Nov 2004, 11:43 PM
My glass has a Liquid to gas ratio of 1:1.
That was great. I have never been able to answer that glass question with anything but "that depends", but this answer is perfect. :)
That makes me a realist too, I guess.
songbird36
28 Nov 2004, 01:53 AM
I suspect INTPs (and NTs in general) are a little pessimistic by nature.
However I think this changes as you get older (I'm a lot more optimistic now than I was in my teens or 20s).
last_caress
28 Nov 2004, 02:23 AM
I can't think of anything sufficiently positive that outweighs someone getting their head cut off, a kid orphaned because a bomb took out his/her family, nations escalating nuclear capability etc. AND knowing that we will on average CONTINUE to behave like this.
As long as shit like that continues in the world I will remain negative.
Arcael
26 Dec 2004, 06:21 AM
This really does bug me, why look at the world negatively? Why not try to be happy instead of pessimistic?
MjrMarshmellows
26 Dec 2004, 06:56 AM
Other!
I tend to blow hot and cold, I really can't say 'realistically' because EVERYONE who gets to know me thinks I'm more than a bit deluded.
hmm... probably averages out to 'a bit pessimistic'
ah well
Pierce
26 Dec 2004, 09:00 AM
There are few things more frustrating than trying to lead an individual or group of people, whether they comprise a family, an organizaiton, a business, or even just a small group of friends where pessimism rules. To me pessimism is not just an outlook -- it's a dreary, wearisome, waste of life and I've reached a point where I have little patience with it. From a leader's perspective, pessimism is simply a bad attitude, that, if allowed to fester, will infect others and jeapordize whatever endeavor is at hand. In a dynamic, successful organization, a wise leader or manager will simply cull people with pessimistic attitudes that will not adapt a positive outlook. Just name a winning athelete or sports team that has a pessimistic attitude -- they don't exist.
For years I've wondered at the stubbornness of some pessimists. Often their dire situation is easily solvable, and when I point that out, or even offer them a clear solution (which they successfully adopt), they simply shift their focus to another problem, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. Dealing with pessimits is like dragging a dead weight around.
I recongnize that it is more "reasonable" to be pessimistic rather than optimistic, but I also agree with Mr. Shaw on that point: Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men. ~ George Bernard Shaw ~
Dman
27 Dec 2004, 07:13 PM
A lot of people post that the world sucks and that is a “realist” point of view. However, you are using a subjective term to describe an objective observation. Describing the world as negative is how you feel. Seeing it as a realist implies that you don’t kid yourself about how good or bad it is; you just seek truth and understanding. In some cases it may be a bad (unfavorable) truth, in others, good.
It’s impossible to say that in totality the whole world sucks, or is great, from an objective viewpoint because you have to qualify it with some particular observation that requires a subjective view, and subjectively give it more “weight” than any other observations. Like saying that as a whole, the world sucks because people die horrible deaths. The realist would say that many people die in very unpleasant manners, but that does not necessarily trump or outweigh all other observations about the world.
BTW - Being cynical is viewed as negative because that’s part of the description of cynical. Like saying why is being happy viewed as being in a good mood.
Biff_Loman
27 Dec 2004, 07:13 PM
Right on, Pierce.
I cannot stay pessimistic because it kills my drive to fill my life with good things. Neither does it allow me to defend myself against the madness and suffering of this world, but leaves my mind vulnerable to be overcome with thoughts of terror and hopelessness.
Waiting to be suprised by life's goodness is a recipe for depression. The horrors of this world will sneak up on you and infest your soul. Optimism keeps welling up inside me, and it's not the result of seeing this world with rose-coloured glasses. It is a survival mechanism.
Recently, I was reading about the great witch hunts in Europe from the fifteenth to seventeenth centuries - just another story of oppression, torture, and mass murder. Innocent people had their limbs torn from their bodies, heads crushed, eyes torn from their sockets, etc.
Now, being tortured and killed because someone accused you (while under torture) of transporting your soul - in your sleep, mind you - to meet with the devil. . . My god, the thought that we live in a world where that kind of madness is possible is enough to crush a person's spirit.
Or Stalin's purges, or the Holocaust, or any genocide. . .
In my mind, as long as your eyes are open to the way the world is: you need to find some attitudes, some values to strengthen you, or you will shrink as a person. Your heart will resemble a water balloon with a hole pricked in it, and it will eventually wither.
Those who find a way to escape the madness can sometimes seem foolishly optimistic. I don't think it's foolish.
Claverhouse
27 Dec 2004, 07:21 PM
In a dynamic, successful organization, a wise leader or manager will simply cull people with pessimistic attitudes that will not adapt a positive outlook.
No wonder we're pessimistic.
Claverhouse :ph34r:
And Satan followed Jurgen's suggestions, and the threatened rebellion was satisfactorily discouraged, by tearing into very small fragments anybody who grumbled about anything. So that all the subjects of Satan went about smiling broadly all the time at the thought of what might befall them if they seemed dejected. Thus was Hell a happier looking place because of Jurgen's coming.
Jurgen.
[ My favourite book ]
TraditionalNonconformist
27 Dec 2004, 08:53 PM
I said Realistically and Negatively but now I think I'd change it to just Realistically.
Sure, day-to-day everything looks bad but have some perspective and look at the "big scheme of things". It becomes more evident that there is no positive or negative- good or bad.
Here, let's make up a formula:
(all positive things in life + all negative things in life)/the big picture
As "the big picture" approaches infinity, the sum of everything in life approaches Zero.
Let's all go nil.
Some people might see nothingness as "a bad thing" while others may even see it as a positive. But I try to see it for what it isn't, which is ANYTHING. Neither good nor bad, just is not.
Some people just need a good toss into the Total Perspective Vortex.
Whoa. I should be a cult leader.
joft
27 Dec 2004, 09:13 PM
I voted realistically positive, but I would like to say I'm just realistic; that is, idealistically. The reality of my realism is that during the day I am most likely realistically positive and at night I become realistically negative; but I can also phase into objective realism bordering on nihilism at any given point of the day.
Dman
27 Dec 2004, 10:58 PM
I said Realistically and Negatively but now I think I'd change it to just Realistically.
Sure, day-to-day everything looks bad but have some perspective and look at the "big scheme of things". It becomes more evident that there is no positive or negative- good or bad.
Here, let's make up a formula:
(all positive things in life + all negative things in life)/the big picture
As "the big picture" approaches infinity, the sum of everything in life approaches Zero.
Let's all go nil.
Some people might see nothingness as "a bad thing" while others may even see it as a positive. But I try to see it for what it isn't, which is ANYTHING. Neither good nor bad, just is not.
Some people just need a good toss into the Total Perspective Vortex.
Whoa. I should be a cult leader.
How about all positive things in life = .999...
and all negative things in life = 1.
So is life in general more positive, or more negative?
booyalab
27 Dec 2004, 11:00 PM
How about all positive things in life = .999...
and all negative things in life = 1.
So is life in general more positive, or more negative?
that sounds an awful lot like a rhetorical device of a pessimist.
Avengardh
28 Dec 2004, 09:34 AM
Heh, I forgot about this thread...
Much negativity, sad to see...*tsk tsk* :P
Dman
28 Dec 2004, 05:06 PM
that sounds an awful lot like a rhetorical device of a pessimist.
Heh-heh, you caught me!
But maybe rather than pessimist, we could say "paranoid, cautiously optimistic with skepticism"?
garak
1 Jan 2005, 06:13 PM
Interesting that there are more "realistic and negatives" than "realistic and positives." I would have to say I'm a "realistic and positive" kind of person. I was more negative when I was younger and all filled with angst, but in the last few years I think I've really started to understand myself and what life's all about. Life seems a lot nicer now. :)
melancholeric
1 Jan 2005, 07:31 PM
... but in the last few years I think I've really started to understand myself and what life's all about.
Care to elaborate?
garak
1 Jan 2005, 07:51 PM
Care to elaborate?
I got out of a relationship that started at 17 and learned a lot of things from that. She was an INFJ, but even before I knew about MBTI, I realized from that relationship that I needed to stay away from needy, emotional, irrational girls.
I learned about not being stupid with money, which was also somewhat related to the relationship (we lived together and were broke because we were stupid).
I learned about MBTI and as you all know, that really has a huge effect. Just learning about being an introvert really helped me make sense of my social life and not feel like some loser with no "people skills."
I finally got around to going back to school, and by struggling through that, I realized a lot about why I did so poorly in the past (avoidance, procrastination), and what I need to do to not do so poorly in the future. (work on those) And lately I have been doing that and seeing the results, which feels really great.
I found my "calling" in life -- programming -- and focusing heavily on it has made me happy and is now starting to make me a lot more money than flipping burgers.
And for that matter, flipping burgers has been a great learning experience. I did it for a while, then quit for a "better," higher-paying job, where I was pretty miserable. I quit and went back to flipping burgers intentionally, because it was so fun. I probably won't be at it much longer now, but I'm totally glad I did. Having a throwaway job where you can just be ridiculous and have fun being irresponsible isn't something you can do your whole life, so I am glad I did it while I had the chance.
I ran away from my dad at 17 and have talked to him like maybe three or four times since (21 now), and although I don't think I'm quite ready to talk to him again, I'm starting to really understand our problems better. Although I'm still not sure what to do on this issue.
And just generally being happy for the sake of being happy. I've refined my own religious and philosophical views, and I feel that I really need to take advantage of my limited time on earth. I believe that once you die, it's lights out -- so to me, the only two logical courses of action are either 1) commit suicide because when you die it'll be the same (nothingness) no matter what, or 2) live the happiest life you can have, because it feels nice. Also, I learned that "delaying" happiness will make you miserable. I.e. "I'll be happy once I get to xyz point in life." You have to learn to be happy right now, with what you have, or you very likely will never be very happy.
I dunno, I could go on for hours, wandering from one subject to the next, and of course they all intertwine in various ways, but hopefully this all makes some sort of sense.
Boneca
2 Jan 2005, 12:08 AM
Your enthusiasm is amazing, garak.
I could probably sound like you when talking about my life to others, but I never manage to convince myself.
But I actually enjoy being cynical, so I guess it is isn't so bad. I might not be happy, but I have yet to find a reason to feel sorry for myself.
melancholeric
2 Jan 2005, 03:30 PM
You know, when I asked that question, I didn't really know what to expect. I figured you could respond with a witty oneliner or quoting the hitchhikers guide or something. (As I might have done.)
You certainly made sense. Food for thought...
I agree with delaying happiness. And making the most out of the limited time here.
But I'd need to repeat that like a mantra before I could convince myself.
For parental issues, the best advice I've heard so far came from Jim Morrison.
And the needy irrational girls.. Now I feel like posting something to Rants and raves forum...
And I can certainly see the appeal of flipping burgers when you look at it that way.
garak
3 Jan 2005, 04:19 AM
For parental issues, the best advice I've heard so far came from Jim Morrison.
What are you referring to? I'm not familiar enough with The Doors.
melancholeric
3 Jan 2005, 08:36 AM
Father.. yes son.. I want to kill you
Mother.. yes son.. I want to...
:rofl:
melancholeric
3 Jan 2005, 05:02 PM
back on topic...
What I said in "post that thought" thread.
The cold comfort of apathetic cynical pessimism, and how easy it is. Optimistic idealism is far more demanding, it takes strenght to believe in it. Then I came to think how I at times appreciate that, and other times, I think it takes strenght because one has to first lie to himself, then believe it. Delusional.
Still undecided if i appreciate or despise that.
And if I should do something about my cynicism.
From the idealistic viewpoint, the cynicism is pitifully self-indulgent.
Boneca
3 Jan 2005, 05:47 PM
The cold comfort of apathetic cynical pessimism, and how easy it is. Optimistic idealism is far more demanding, it takes strenght to believe in it. Then I came to think how I at times appreciate that, and other times, I think it takes strenght because one has to first lie to himself, then believe it. Delusional.
Still undecided if i appreciate or despise that.
And if I should do something about my cynicism.
From the idealistic viewpoint, the cynicism is pitifully self-indulgent.This is about exactly how I see it. Idealism is so emotionally draining, because you will be disappointed sooner or later (or sooner AND later in most cases).
With a cynical outlook, you either get this smug feeling of being right (and you're still detached enough to laugh at your troubles), or you get positively surprised.
I wonder if cynicism is really that bad, or if there's just a social bias against it? Somehow I have the idea that idealism=good and cynicism=bad, but I'm not sure where I've got it from.
Claverhouse
3 Jan 2005, 07:15 PM
This is about exactly how I see it. Idealism is so emotionally draining, because you will be disappointed sooner or later (or sooner AND later in most cases).
You Idealists are sooo cynical.
Somehow I have the idea that idealism=good and cynicism=bad, but I'm not sure where I've got it from.
Could it be from the religious/commercial ethos inculcated by our masters ?
A non-cynical slave is a happy slave.
Claverhouse :ph34r:
garak
3 Jan 2005, 11:27 PM
This is about exactly how I see it. Idealism is so emotionally draining, because you will be disappointed sooner or later (or sooner AND later in most cases).
Well optimism is very different from idealism. I'm very optimistic but I'm not idealistic. I would say I'm optimistic and realistic. Setbacks can really bum me out, but I recover and realize that that's all they are -- setbacks. It's still not that hard to have a nice life if you just simply keep a sense of hope and never stop working at it. And besides, working at it makes life interesting -- perfect "content" for an INTP to contemplate.
With a cynical outlook, you either get this smug feeling of being right (and you're still detached enough to laugh at your troubles), or you get positively surprised.
Or you end up failing more due to being cynical and giving up at things instead of having hope and working to make them happen. Although I assume by cynicism you also mean pessimism. Cynicism itself is just basically being untrusting and skeptical -- I don't think that necessarily implies pessimism. A cynic would be prepared for failure, while a pessimist would expect it.
I wonder if cynicism is really that bad, or if there's just a social bias against it? Somehow I have the idea that idealism=good and cynicism=bad, but I'm not sure where I've got it from.
Well idealism is "happier," and happy is usually considered good. I think the ultimate goal is to be truly happy, without going down the whole "ignorance is bliss" road, sacrificing intellect and ignoring the truth. I think it's definitely doable. But I think happiness isn't just a philosophical thing -- it's gotta be chemical too. Maybe not, I don't know. I wish I understood it.
melancholeric
4 Jan 2005, 11:37 AM
When we stop thinking whether the glass is half empty and half full, we fail to enjoy the moment of washing the glass, being so absorbed in the train of thought that has will on its own. Occasionally, we have to take steps back to observe and analyze, but the detachment has to cease in order to allow us to remember how privileged we are to experience this fleeting moment of life that passes at an astounishigly fast pace. When every day becomes a deja vu, we fail to see the beauty of our surroundings. Life never ceases to offer something new and fascinating, and the subjective value of that depends on the observer. Of course, not all life is rosy, and no one can avoid the numerous disappointments life has to offer, but being able to learn from those is the key to personal growth that eventually leads to happiness. Murphy's law just might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Does our worldview reflect the world around us or the world reflect our expectations?
It all boils down to worldview. Seeing the big picture should allow us to realize that the grass may be greener on some other sides, but in the end, we have it better than most. The fact that you are reading this proves that you have an internet access, which hints that, financially speaking, you have it better than the majority of our specimen. Intospection allows us to constantly develop our worldviews and getting to know ourselves better.
As INTP, we should have natural advantages on this.
Claverhouse
4 Jan 2005, 12:20 PM
but in the end, we have it better than most. The fact that you are reading this proves that you have an internet access, which hints that, financially speaking, you have it better than the majority of our specimen.
The first half is not necessarily so: many have internet access, some books etc., semi-regular food, but on say minimum wage or the really lower student incomes may be vastly impoverished compared with the majority of their fellow citizens in the society/culture they are part of: 'relative poverty' remains a valid concept, despite the Right, because a/ you can always find somebody worse off than almost anyone you choose, if you look; and b/ the needs of existing in each society/culture rise according to it's general level. F'rinstance, in developed countries having a telephone is no longer a privilege, let alone a luxury ( however you compare it's possession with a simple savage's lack of one ), it's a necessity for getting and keeping work.
If so simple a technology as internet access means financially speaking one is better off than the toiling masses of Asia etc., the majority, and we are better off than they: surely that proves that for the majority feeling pessimistic would be the correct attitude to take.
If the life of most is, and always has been, mainly suffering, and things aren't going to get better for them ( as the tsunami shows ): one can't blame them being as pessimistic as the Lord Buddha, who achieved the Permanent Universes Championship cup for Pessimism very early on in his life.
Claverhouse :ph34r:
[ As soon as the Bodhisattva was born he took seven steps to the north and proclaimed: "I am chief in the world, I am best in the world, I am first in the world. This is my last birth. There will be no further rebirth."
Could he have been an INTP ? ]
melancholeric
4 Jan 2005, 03:06 PM
The concept of relative poverty was an example I used to illustrate the subjectivity of the observation. We are faced with the dilemma of using broader context to put our lives into perspective, and self-indulgent narrow-sighted approach, with the eventual results of self-pity and losing the grip on reality. With larger perspective, we face another dilemma of seeing what we have, in relative to the less lucky individuals, or seeing what we do not have, and desire that by buddhist view, with which I can't fully disagree, causes suffering. But the ambition and pursuing the goals what we have is ultimately what keeps us alive, instead of merely experiencing a constant deja vu. This then leads into a question of actually reaching these goals. Does life have anything to offer after that?
Most of us (as INTPs) seek knowledge and understanding, and the process of seeking those is rewarding in itself, although we are well aware that we can't reach the full understanding of ourselves or the universe, let alone the SJs.
ObstinateBane
14 Jan 2005, 04:34 PM
I think I have an optimistic view of the world but I’m told I’m Cynical and negative by many.
They may be right because I don’t look at the world the same as they do.
Were to start? Overpopulation? Destruction of resources for financial gains? I could start a list but I’d never be able to stop it’s that long.
The World is going to either die because of human kind or find a way to rid itself of us. Optimistic, yes I believe so.
Life will continue without us.
Ones view of the world would have very little to do with ones status or financial well being. It is more a matter of perspective.
The whine ass white teen that’s grounded and can’t play Sony or talk on the phone, use their car, has to go to work instead of a party, will think the world sucks.
The bum in the wheelchair will think the world is a beautiful place if it doesn’t rain and he can maneuver his chair out of the ditch he was dumped in by the tough young punks walking down the road last night.
The woman in Afghanistan thinks the world is great now that she is no longer being oppressed.
The punk on the corner will think negative about the cop driving by because he’s dealing crack, the cop will think positive as he goes to visit the after school program meant to keep kiddies out of trouble. Who’s right the punk who is pushing dope to help feed his twelve brothers and sisters because his parents were laid off or the cop that is just trying to do a job?
Neither I hope, but what compassion or hope is given to the millions of “Sheep” being herded into believing things will turn out ok the way things are in the world today.
euterpenc
14 Jan 2005, 08:20 PM
I'm very positive about the world, and believe anyone can do anything they put their mind and soul to. Most people see me as negative however, cause I don't believe in welfare and things like that. To become stronger people need hardship, and no one agrees with that, so I'm often called cruel and/or heartless. It's called tough love.
I also believe somewhat in the will to power, and people think that's so negative, cause *almost* no one wants to be a slave. I do my best to look at things realistically and do what's best for everyone, even if it requires tough love, or my exclusion. I often find myself about to get angry or irritated, or say something mean, but I catch myself thinking "what good would that do?"
Little Miss Krahka
22 Jan 2005, 08:21 PM
KRAHKA'S WORLDVIEW IN FOUR STEPS
1. Things happen.
2. This causes other things to happen.
3. These things may be percived as "good" or "bad" by some members of the population.
4. However, in the end, it's not like it will really matter in a cosmic sense.
bmw318tiChic
23 Jan 2005, 12:07 AM
I try to view the world realistically and positively. It doesn't always work.
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