Unmotivated ITNPs and schizophrenia?

[cryokinetic]

I realize that self diagnosis using the DSM is frequently questionable, so I'm pretty damn sure that I'm not schizophrenic... however, the bolded symptoms fit me:

To be diagnosed as having schizophrenia, a person must display:

A) Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a one-month period (or less, if successfully treated)
delusions
hallucinations
disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence; speaking in abstracts).
grossly disorganized behavior (i.e. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior
negative symptoms, i.e., affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation).
Note: Only one Criterion A symptom is required if hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other.

B) Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work or interpersonal relations are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset.

C) Duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least six months. This six-month period must include at least one month of symptoms that meet Criterion A.
Historically, schizophrenia in the West was classified into catatonic, hebephrenic, and paranoid. The DSM now contains five sub-classifications of schizophrenia. These are

catatonic type (where marked absences or peculiarities of movement are present),
disorganized type (where thought disorder and flat affect are present together),
paranoid type (where delusions and vivid, often horrifying, hallucinations are present but thought disorder, disorganized behavior, and affective flattening is absent),
residual type (where positive symptoms are present at a low intensity only) and
undifferentiated type (psychotic symptoms are present but the criteria for paranoid, disorganized, or catatonic types has not been met).

To me, it seems that it fit under residual or undifferentiated.

Are these symptoms common among INTPs who have not found a niche to hold their interest?

[panda]

Are these symptoms common among INTPs who have not found a niche to hold their interest?
Laziness and speaking abstractly? I would say those are common INTP traits, yes.

[cryokinetic]

I knew those were common. But the derailments also apply to me... it's almost as though my brain is going too quickly and following too many conversation forks for me to actually say what I want to say.

[INTProcrastinator]

You shouldn't make too much fuss over the DSM, or heck psychology in general. They are pretty quick to judge everyone that doesn't fit the social norm.

Just take this for example
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/ld.htm
Basically their implying that lower IQ than the norm = Mental Disorder!!!

[panda]

You shouldn't make too much fuss over the DSM, or heck psychology in general. They are pretty quick to judge everyone that doesn't fit the social norm.

Just take this for example
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/ld.htm
Basically their implying that lower IQ than the norm = Mental Disorder!!!
Well, definitionally speaking, it *is* a mental disorder.

I disprefer the entire "disorder paradigm", though.

[meshou]

My boyfriend has a WHOLE lot of the symptoms of Schitzophrenia. It's very romantic. :wub:

[cryokinetic]

I kind of like the idea of having a mental disorder (as fucked up as that sounds) the people I am the most comfortable around and can form the closest bonds with tend to have a myriad of disorders... and I feel left out :P

[eyebyte_atWork]

When it is all said and done - there will be only 10% of the people diagnosed as normal (ironic ain;t it?) and the rest of us will be required to be on some sort medication and shit. Maybe we should embrace what makes us different. (Disclaimer - I am in no way belittling the health state of those with severe problems such as schizophrenia or any other mental health problem that severely limits an individual's potential)

[Tlalocone]

What the duck?(d=f) is in the title?

E.T.(+) NP?

http://www3.varesenews.it/immagini_articoli/200504/et-extraterrestre.JPG
http://www.invox.org/IMG/jpg/np.jpg

or Eat & Pee?

(buddy , no harm but intp and not itnp!)

[joft]

I'm fairly certain that "sanity" is a mental construct, like "free will," that does not exist in reality but became an innate (or at least heavily enforced cultural) concept to the human brain because it serves evolutionary purposes. When it comes down to it, everyone is completely insane, everything is uncertain and inconsistent, and by coincidence or common causality a small amount of those who are in a powerful position to set the standard have somewhat of a vague consensus they agree on. but even those people are quite often completely missing each other and are not on the same "page." the semantic content of the same word may be completely different for two different people, or they may not even keep the connection of a word to its meaning active, and just go on using the word without thinking about what it means. just watch any type of debate with a philosophical air to it, it's like a nightmare. when I see it happening I have to interject and tell both parties what the other party really means by something, or what the real differences between their views are (if there are any). and rarely does that have any effect other than to get them to pause for a second to stare blankly at me before resuming their debate.

10% are normal? by "normal" I guess we're talking about people who aren't on some kind of medication or therapy or at least "shouldn't" be. I think those 10% are hiding in drugs and insanity disguised as normative behaviors, legal recreational drugs, etc.

[Sue Denim]

I knew a man once that was schizophrenic, and my sanity became very obvious after being around him.


When it is all said and done - there will be only 10% of the people diagnosed as normal (ironic ain;t it?) and the rest of us will be required to be on some sort medication and shit. One time I had a doctor insist that I needed to take anti-depressants. When I hesitated, she gave me a handful of brochures advocating these meds. ALL of them were printed by the drug companies. I asked if she had anything that wasn't sponsored by the drug pushers, and she couldn't provide any.


Maybe we should embrace what makes us different.I couldn't agree more.

There's way too much emphasis on being 'normal', whatever that means. We are not the same, but that doesn't make us wrong. I have an SJ sibling that talks about 'normal' people, or 'the average person' all the time. I pointed out that half the people in the world were below average, and this sibling responded by calling me elitist (?!?). My point is that people really don't think this whole conformist thing through.

[cryokinetic]

What the duck?(d=f) is in the title?

E.T.(+) NP?

http://www3.varesenews.it/immagini_articoli/200504/et-extraterrestre.JPG
http://www.invox.org/IMG/jpg/np.jpg

or Eat & Pee?

(buddy , no harm but intp and not itnp!)
Lol... I'm surprised no one pointed that out sooner.

Title changed... it was originally "Unmotivated ITNPs and schizophrenia?" for those who didn't notice.

[cryokinetic]

I think the general lack of acceptance (among those I'm in contact with most often on any given day) is one of the reasons I can't stand to be around "normal" people.. they are trying so hard to be normal that it detracts from their relationships (in all forms). I used to think that I wanted to date a normal girl... after two attempts at dating said "normal" girls (and two epiphanies in which I realized that the "normal" girls are just insane in a different manner... one that I cannot bear to deal with), I realized that "normal" is not what I want.

[Arioch]

disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence; speaking in abstracts).

I feel compelled to mention that it does matter how strong the symptom is. There is a huge difference between the speech of an average non-schizofrenic INTP (off medication) and an average schizofrenic (off medication). The former requires a dictionary, the latter... egad.

[cryokinetic]

I feel compelled to mention that it does matter how strong the symptom is. There is a huge difference between the speech of an average non-schizofrenic INTP (off medication) and an average schizofrenic (off medication). The former requires a dictionary, the latter... egad.
That pretty much confirms my suspicions about that one. Thanks much :)

[Perseus]

I realize that self diagnosis using the DSM is frequently questionable, so I'm pretty damn sure that I'm not schizophrenic... however, the bolded symptoms fit me:


To me, it seems that it fit under residual or undifferentiated.

Are these symptoms common among INTPs who have not found a niche to hold their interest?

This is just the English Guards (SJ) on behalf of Saint George searching out the NP or PN Dragons and sending them to Wales. Or after Saints arrived having them crucified.