Your Type & Emotional Intelligence vs. T

[Xander]

OK the thread name may mislead but thats not the point.

I am looking at the MBTI and the different forms of intelligence.
If your a T does this mean that you have lower emotional intelligence?
I am trying to figure out if I'm actually good at emotional intelligence or whether its just the INTP letting me theorise what its like and simulate it unreliably.
I figure, as my primary theory, that your type does not define your intelligence but rather sets a path from which you approach how you use and refine your intelligence.
For example I am an INTP which by strict definition means I suffer in the feelings area. This is true to some extent but I am not blind to my own emotions or other as some INTPs appear to be. I also have learnt to deal with my emotions so that I can be open and honest about them, keeping a nice calm exterior for most of the time.
The questions I find I ask myself are
Am I really dealing with my emotion?
Can I read others emotion and empathise?
Do I have emotional intelligence of significance or am I just close to an F?
Is it possible to act like an F from what you have learned through being INTP? As in can the cameleon trait actually let you "be", for want of a better word, different from what an INTP should be?

I'm unsure of whether I am trying to sort myself out with this question or the theories that lead me here but it would seem that the answer would apply to both equally.

Anyone else had similar theories/ questions?
Anyone got any good answers or opposing theories?
Anyone there at all???

[Neppy]

Yes, you can be a T and have high emotional intelligence. But I can't really talk much, because I'm not typical and everything I know about human interaction had to be taught to me. All I know is that it's possible. I think my emotional intelligence is pretty good, considering. Definitely below average... but for me, good. I don't think I'm going to reach emotional maturity for a long time. :blink: If someone starts crying in front of me, the only thing I can do is walk out of the room in a rather bewildered manner until they've stopped.

But thinkers aren't always thinkers because it's how they're wired, sometimes it really is just a preference made by that person. Everybody has emotions and feelings and the ability to read other people's emotions. In my case it's just how much I choose to focus on it.

This post has no real point but I think I'm just trying to say... yeah. Thinkers can be emotionally intelligent. Some aren't and some are. I shouldn't make posts before I've had my caffeine. :whistle:

[Xander]

Yes, you can be a T and have high emotional intelligence. But I can't really talk much, because I'm not typical and everything I know about human interaction had to be taught to me. All I know is that it's possible. I think my emotional intelligence is pretty good, considering. Definitely below average... but for me, good. I don't think I'm going to reach emotional maturity for a long time. :blink: If someone starts crying in front of me, the only thing I can do is walk out of the room in a rather bewildered manner until they've stopped.

But thinkers aren't always thinkers because it's how they're wired, sometimes it really is just a preference made by that person. Everybody has emotions and feelings and the ability to read other people's emotions. In my case it's just how much I choose to focus on it.

This post has no real point but I think I'm just trying to say... yeah. Thinkers can be emotionally intelligent. Some aren't and some are. I shouldn't make posts before I've had my caffeine. :whistle:
No that makes sense.
Your kinda saying that with the right mindset a clever man can also be an empathic man by using what he knows to interpret the signals?
Makes sense that you could.
I guess I'm trying to figure whether that is the same as empathy or whether just being able to read and understand emotion is not enough.
I often wonder if there is a next level to my thinking and will try and grasp for it even if I have only suspicion and paranoia making me think it's there in the first place.

OK now I need coffee.... I think.... Damn confusion.

[wildcat]

OK the thread name may mislead but thats not the point.

I am looking at the MBTI and the different forms of intelligence.
If your a T does this mean that you have lower emotional intelligence?
I am trying to figure out if I'm actually good at emotional intelligence or whether its just the INTP letting me theorise what its like and simulate it unreliably.
I figure, as my primary theory, that your type does not define your intelligence but rather sets a path from which you approach how you use and refine your intelligence.
For example I am an INTP which by strict definition means I suffer in the feelings area. This is true to some extent but I am not blind to my own emotions or other as some INTPs appear to be. I also have learnt to deal with my emotions so that I can be open and honest about them, keeping a nice calm exterior for most of the time.
The questions I find I ask myself are
Am I really dealing with my emotion?
Can I read others emotion and empathise?
Do I have emotional intelligence of significance or am I just close to an F?
Is it possible to act like an F from what you have learned through being INTP? As in can the cameleon trait actually let you "be", for want of a better word, different from what an INTP should be?

I'm unsure of whether I am trying to sort myself out with this question or the theories that lead me here but it would seem that the answer would apply to both equally.

Anyone else had similar theories/ questions?
Anyone got any good answers or opposing theories?
Anyone there at all???
Well, there is the Cognitive Processes Test (links).

What is meant by emotional intelligence? Fe?
Is emotional intelligence the ability to understand the emotional processes of other people?

Do you need emotion to understand the emotion of others?
The psychopaths do not.

In my original theory the demonstration of emotion is the opposite of reflection.
The demonstration of emotion is not emotion.

The majority of the INTPs here seem to have a phlegmatic temperament (ti>fi).

The minority have a melancholic temperament (fi>ti).
The T still reigns. As a matter of choice.

[Xander]

Well, there is the Cognitive Processes Test (links).

What is meant by emotional intelligence? Fe?
Is emotional intelligence the ability to understand the emotional processes of other people?

Do you need emotion to understand the emotion of others?
The psychopaths do not.

In my original theory the demonstration of emotion is the opposite of reflection.
The demonstration of emotion is not emotion.

The majority of the INTPs here seem to have a phlegmatic temperament (ti>fi).

The minority have a melancholic temperament (fi>ti).
The T still reigns. As a matter of choice.
Could you please expand upon that as I think I know what your saying but it's too interesting to assume.

[wildcat]

Could you please expand upon that as I think I know what your saying but it's too interesting to assume.
(Fe=Fi)=F

(Fe>Fi)=?

(Fi>Fe)=?

[Xander]

(Fe=Fi)=F

(Fe>Fi)=?

(Fi>Fe)=?
Isnt INTP Fe?
I would have thought that those with equal Fi and Fe are just well adjusted people.
I don't think it exists as part of the standard MBTI theories though.
Oh and if your Fi=Fe then what influence does T have? Or is that Ti=Te?

[ptGatsby]

(Fe=Fi)=F

(Fe>Fi)=?

(Fi>Fe)=?


Heh, that's one way of putting it, but somewhat incorrectly.

Fe and Fi are different;
Fe - extraverted Feeling
Connecting; considering others and the group—organizing to meet their needs and honor their values and feelings; maintaining societal, organizational, or group values; adjusting and accommodating others; deciding if something is appropriate or acceptable to others.

Fi - introverted Feeling
Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for.


Courtesy of http://www.tri-network.com/training/cognitivedynamics.html

The fundamental point is that you do have tendencies towards every function to some degree.

INTPs have an immature F, comparably, since we dont' excersize it on a regular basis. Both Fe and Fi - for example, I tested moderately well for Fi but non-existant for Fe on one of the cognitive test. Generally I find this is quite true, judging from the description. And certainly on this board you see quite horrific uses of Fe... lashing out and such. We are like kids, basicly, when it comes to Fe.

EQ doesn't test the same thing, no.



I am trying to figure out if I'm actually good at emotional intelligence or whether its just the INTP letting me theorise what its like and simulate it unreliably.


With 90% certainty, I can say that you probably aren't good with it unless you have systematically made an effort to use it.

Have you truly attempted to bond with others... not act it out to fit in, but truly bond. Are you able to hold internal values well? Stuff like that. You can read the description and ask yourself if you have truly managed to do these things or if you are just pretending.

I, for one, pretend with my Fe but have made a concerted effort to improve my Fi. I still don't want to fit in or know how to fit in, don't know how to bond properly and all that stuff.

[Xander]

Heh, that's one way of putting it, but somewhat incorrectly.

Fe and Fi are different;
Fe - extraverted Feeling
Connecting; considering others and the group—organizing to meet their needs and honor their values and feelings; maintaining societal, organizational, or group values; adjusting and accommodating others; deciding if something is appropriate or acceptable to others.

Fi - introverted Feeling
Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for.


Courtesy of http://www.tri-network.com/training/cognitivedynamics.html

The fundamental point is that you do have tendencies towards every function to some degree.

INTPs have an immature F, comparably, since we dont' excersize it on a regular basis. Both Fe and Fi - for example, I tested moderately well for Fi but non-existant for Fe on one of the cognitive test. Generally I find this is quite true, judging from the description. And certainly on this board you see quite horrific uses of Fe... lashing out and such. We are like kids, basicly, when it comes to Fe.

EQ doesn't test the same thing, no.



With 90% certainty, I can say that you probably aren't good with it unless you have systematically made an effort to use it.

Have you truly attempted to bond with others... not act it out to fit in, but truly bond. Are you able to hold internal values well? Stuff like that. You can read the description and ask yourself if you have truly managed to do these things or if you are just pretending.

I, for one, pretend with my Fe but have made a concerted effort to improve my Fi. I still don't want to fit in or know how to fit in, don't know how to bond properly and all that stuff.
Fe yes. I find it essential for my role as mediator, which isn't just a title for me most days!
Fi as I'm not sure entirely what it means, as in I know but I don't understand, I'd haveto say no.
How does this effect/ interact with emotianl intelligence then? Plus I'd say that T is included in your descriptions of F above. Understanding and evaluating etc.
I'm trying to figure out the interpaly of one thing on another.
My father is a qualified psychologist but after about ten minutes of a deep conversation with me is knackered so I thought I'd give you guys a go!

[wildcat]

sorry Xander and ptGatsby
I meant to say

when Fi=9 and Fe=5
F=5

when Fe=9 and Fi=5
F=5

agreed?

there are five girls and nine dolls.
How many girls there are with dolls?

[Rhu]

As far as I can tell, type preference doesn't have to be an indicator of overall type development it happens that there is a correlation with the two: generally the mode where you are most comfortable will also be your best developed mode.

However, I see no reason that the theory of typological preference will necessarily predict a person's developed traits and skills. An INTP can have well developed social skills, can learn to have an eye for detail, and can be adept at exploring their own emotions and those of others.

I'm always confused by the idea that is thrown around here that people are limited in capability by type. INTP is my natural state; it doesn't define who I am or what I am capable of. I haven't dedicated myself to it as a faith, after all.

[ptGatsby]

How does this effect/ interact with emotianl intelligence then? Plus I'd say that T is included in your descriptions of F above. Understanding and evaluating etc.


In short overly general terms, if your Fe was decently developed for an INTP, you'd fit in better - be able to socialize, empathise and bond with people.

And if your Fi was very weak, you'd have problems with remembering past events with emotions or allowing yourself to feel certain things. Also you would border towards amorality as you would be unable to feel things were right or wrong, internally, except through a T view.

So, in short, you can see how they would all interact together. Without both, you are very much limited to one as mentioned before. However, the problem with EQ or similar tests is that they are onedimensional - you can easily be well adjusted with a weak Fi and Fe... just not capable of dealing with certain situations. Same goes if you are only decent at one or the other... and same goes for the equivalent T functions.

There are quite a few scenarios, but it short it can be seen as the T being unable to deal with an 'emotionally' charged situation. Its not the emotions that do it - its the inability to see beyond the T... both internally and externally.

[Xander]

Ok Wild cat :- WTF??? 9??? 5??? enneagrams?? or algebraic what if values?
I don't understand.

Rhu :- I'm not trying to limit as much as understand that which restrains me like a rubber band. I know I can puch it but I am investigating how far, what with, in which direction etc. I want to learn how to proceed with my development in my usual indirect and obtuse manner. Eithr that or I'm babbling again but I'm sure someone would point it out in their usual caring manner.

prGatsby :- I think I understand where your going. Very P. I'll need a while before I fully absorb it but I think what your saying is that I'm experiencing my F through my T?
Sounds right. But how do I put aside my T to work on my F??
I do fit in according to others and can socialise but I remain, within myself, detatched and somewhat distant from the now.
Does this make sense?
I want to learn how to re attatch my feelings to words, if you get what I mean. So that a concept is not only interesting but actually holds emotional content for me.
That and I want to understand my gf better, Lori on here, as I think she is either an F or border line and can't understand her thinking/ motivations sometimes.

[ptGatsby]

prGatsby :- I think I understand where your going. Very P. I'll need a while before I fully absorb it but I think what your saying is that I'm experiencing my F through my T?


No, not quite.

Lets take two examples.

You are at work and your boss lectures you about doing something bad.


Ti tries to create a form of consistency. Why is he doing this? What factors happened? Etc. It will try to piece together everything so it become coherent. To validate it internally, essentially, within itself. How'd I get here!? kind of thing.

The Te will attempt to explain... to categorize what you did. For example, it would say "I was forced into this due to these influences". Unlike the Ti, this is validation of a different sort - in other words, to see the outer world influences on it. This isn't a very good example for Ti/Te I fear, or I just don't have the ability to explain it! But maybe that helps.

The Fi will immediately attempt to judge your self worth. INTPs normally recoil, while a mature Fi may say "yah, i screwed up, but I can move on". Fi says "yes it was wrong" or not. Going forward, the Fi will be the basis for you not making the same mistake - if you deem it as a negative 'value'. Not the ammoral pragmatic sense, but in the strict "this is how I should act".

The Fe will break down and cry. Well, maybe not, but do you act charinged? Do you yell back? how do you react? That's what Fe determines.

All of the functions are "thinking" and aren't emotional in nature.


So a weak Fi, among other things, can be viewed as taking it overly personal, etc. Whereas a dominant Fi may feel it, they tend to get over it. INTPs really take it to core - sometimes beyond the competency part indicates. A weak Fe is how we are able to deal with other people's emotions, with our own display of them... with fitting into the situation properly.




Sounds right. But how do I put aside my T to work on my F??


You don't! Your T will always be dominant. What matters is that you learn when your F should of taken over.

GF comes home after a bad day? T ain't gonna help you. You need to learn to use the preferences at the right time - a F is no better at it than a T. Except you won't yell at her if she isn't able to help you with your (insert T activity here). She won't connect with you at a thinking level, just like you won't be able to connect to her at an emotional level.

ie: 60% f and 60% T meet - some 20% of the time you won't be on the same wavelength. That needs to be tempered on both sides.



Does this make sense?


The aloof part isn't just T, its the whole INTP defense mechanism. Its our preference not to be close.



I want to learn how to re attatch my feelings to words, if you get what I mean. So that a concept is not only interesting but actually holds emotional content for me.


Well, that might be pushing it. What you want to be able to do is to pull out your F when you need it. When those around you need it...



That and I want to understand my gf better, Lori on here, as I think she is either an F or border line and can't understand her thinking/ motivations sometimes.


F is only one part of it... and unlikely that you can't link based on that alone. More likely she is an S or an EF or a EJ. All of those have a bit of a jump to understanding.

My GF is an INTJ... and after talking over type and everything we've managed to understand each other very well. Maybe too well at times!

If you are curious, you could mention some of these situations and some of us might be able to explain them further - not validate them, but explain why they exist. I find it helps understanding, anyway.

[Xander]

No, not quite.
saving space or would have included entire quote
Ok when recieving a bollocking I usually retract first, my boss is quire voiciforous, and feel hurt but I know that I am a human and no robot and that if anyone watches real closely I'll screw up again. I usually recover quite quickly as soon as he stops being about three inches from my face and then reason through the whole thing and see where I did go wrong, possible solutions etc.
I am quite sound on emotional levels, possibly something to do with being a mediator (9). But I still can be hurt easily it's just I can control it with a simple breath and then continue with what I'm doing whilst working through it internally (typical INTP?).
As for being able to pull an F out of the bag when needed...err.. yeah would be nice. I understand the impossibility of this but I still want to understand it to enable me to better fit in with those who are dominant F.
AS for an example you'd be better off with asking Lori, as my signature points out, my memory is terrible!

[Lori]

As requested!

main problem is as you said ptgatsby - i get home after a bad day at work stressed and needing to speak to / at someone to get it out of my system or just cry, xander doesn't seem to be able to react in the way i need him to. But that said at other times he understands exactly what i need to pull me out of my bad temper.
l also struggle to help xander when he's stressed because it's almost like i feel the stress for him and i can't deal with stress of any type very well!

hope that makes sense!

[ptGatsby]

Ok when recieving a bollocking I usually retract first, my boss is quire voiciforous, and feel hurt but I know that I am a human and no robot and that if anyone watches real closely I'll screw up again. I usually recover quite quickly as soon as he stops being about three inches from my face and then reason through the whole thing and see where I did go wrong, possible solutions etc.


That's definately a Ti/Te response towards the end. The beginning sounds like a decent Fi. It suggests a somewhat hidden Fe, but... I'm reading too much into it probably.



I am quite sound on emotional levels, possibly something to do with being a mediator (9). But I still can be hurt easily it's just I can control it with a simple breath and then continue with what I'm doing whilst working through it internally (typical INTP?).


Yes, very typical... and also, you have to worry about supressing your Fi or Fe in order to deal with it. Hide from the pain and all that. I don't get that sense, but... that's a typical 'robot' INTP reaction.



As for being able to pull an F out of the bag when needed...err.. yeah would be nice. I understand the impossibility of this but I still want to understand it to enable me to better fit in with those who are dominant F.


Heh. Accept that they are illogical creatures that work on emotional (grah, I hate that word... it doesn't really mean what it needs to) connections.

If you want to connect, you need to observe how F's interact. That's your best chance. It can't really be explained.

Try watching her and her F friend when they don't think you are around.



AS for an example you'd be better off with asking Lori, as my signature points out, my memory is terrible!


:) I'll volunteer, but I don't think I'll seek. But in any case, I may not be the best person to ask, but I definately am open to giving my view.

[Xander]

I'm reading too much into it probably.
Nope sounds good to me.
Virtually no chance at your voyerism idea though.
Them Fs is sneaky!

[chatoyer]

main problem is as you said ptgatsby - i get home after a bad day at work stressed and needing to speak to / at someone to get it out of my system or just cry, xander doesn't seem to be able to react in the way i need him to. But that said at other times he understands exactly what i need to pull me out of my bad temper.
l also struggle to help xander when he's stressed because it's almost like i feel the stress for him and i can't deal with stress of any type very well!

hope that makes sense!

Sounds like venting to me, right? You just want to get all this stuff out of your system by talking about it, & just have him listen & empathize, not try to solve the problem? I'm like this, I have to blatantly tell my ENTP husband (after 10 yrs of marriage) "I just need you to listen, don't try to solve the problem"......he still needs that kind of direction! :)

I have that problem with the stress/bad mood of my husband, I'm really hypersensitive to it, always asking, "are you in a bad mood?" (which he hates! :rant: ), then esp when I then ask, "are you mad at me?!" (which he wasn't until that very moment!!! :blink: ) Can't help you with this one.......but you sound like an EF, in that you are possibly overly sensitive to Xander's moods, I guess the equivalent would be to tell him to turn off his Ti!

[ptGatsby]

As requested!


Holy toledo! That was fast.

Are you positive of your ESTP type? Did you take the test with Xander hovering around?



main problem is as you said ptgatsby - i get home after a bad day at work stressed and needing to speak to / at someone to get it out of my system or just cry, xander doesn't seem to be able to react in the way i need him to. But that said at other times he understands exactly what i need to pull me out of my bad temper.


This is so common... especially among the IT and the EF types.

Hmm, I won't offer advice but I will offer an explanation. Hopefully it'll help.

Xander's main preferences - that is, the way he will react most of the time - is based upon a very logical model.

He'll see: GF home. GF needs fixing. I fix!
You'll see: BF home. BF needs me! I'm there!

Xander's Fi will be unable to help much here and is Fe won't know how to react. If the Fe can't pick up the situation, his T will... and then the problems start.

Looking at the opposite of this situation, imagine if xander was fixing something and needed an extra hand and asked for your help. A similar example would be;

He'll see: Ask GF for help. GF shows up. GF tells me what I should do.
You'll see: Ask BF for help. BF shows up. BF helps you finish.

Another typical divide, all around.



I also struggle to help xander when he's stressed because it's almost like i feel the stress for him and i can't deal with stress of any type very well!


That's your Fe being applied when he doesn't need it. My GF does this constantly and nothing pisses me off more. He'll work through his problems... he just needs space and time. He'll never be as good as you are at dealing with these things - worse, the things that stress him out are totally foreign to you.

He's going to be stressed about meeting people, stressed about obligations... things that ESTPs don't mind.

I've pretty much told my GF to stop helping me and just to be around. If she just keeps chugging I tend to get over it and then seek her out once I'm done.

When two Fe's get togther, cry together and move on. An INTP *doesn't* move on... in other words, you end up making it worse. Your natural preference is as much a problem as his preference when you are stressed - naturally, since two very different people are trying to 'match up'.

[Xander]

Hmm, I won't offer advice but I will offer an explanation
Both true and insightful.
She's still a pain in the arse though!!

[wildcat]

sorry Xander and ptGatsby
I meant to say

when Fi=9 and Fe=5
F=5

when Fe=9 and Fi=5
F=5

agreed?

there are five girls and nine dolls.
How many girls there are with dolls?
Okay. I need coffee.

[wildcat]

Okay. I need coffee.
I have the ability to be misunderstood. Especially with the intelligent and the erudite. And especially if they have studied mathematics. Throw away the arithmetics and the algebra- if just for a second. I am not talking in these lines- not in these terms. This is not adding. This is about relating, weighing.

I happened to choose these numbers.. it is not the numbers.
It is the correlation of numbers.
And why?
Because of the system.. of MBTI.
I have not chosen the system. I am innocent.

We can choose any numbers.. as long as they correlate with each other.
OK. Let us stick to these numbers.
Maximum F is 12.
Average F is 6
0 is 0

We do not look at the numbers.. we look at the relationship.
Your F is 5 (this is an example) and your T is six. You are a T.
while your Fi is 12 and your Fe is 5.
Your Ti is 6 and your Te is 6.
You are a T.

Agreed?

Remember those dolls..

[Xander]

Agreed?

Remember those dolls..
Agree yes.
Dolls??? errm nope still don't get it.
Al five get dolls but who doesn't get two or am I approaching this from the wrong direction?

[wildcat]

Well how many can they handle.. the point was it does not matter how many dolls.. hundreds for what I care... there are still only five girls with dolls.. It is not the dolls, it is the girls. the dolls do not increase the number of the girls.

OK. Let us forget the doll business.

[hardkar]

Ofcourse we got emotions. We have just choosed to make decisions using or T. Using T I can look at the big picture using logic etc. My ESFJ friend gets stuck because his F "saying that's evil" wtf ever. Not seeing that my idea make it better in the end. Some F seems to live in a pink world of happiness. They are not willing to accept that it hurts sometimes. Live with it.

[Lori]

Sounds like venting to me, right? You just want to get all this stuff out of your system by talking about it, & just have him listen & empathize, not try to solve the problem? I'm like this, I have to blatantly tell my ENTP husband (after 10 yrs of marriage) "I just need you to listen, don't try to solve the problem"......he still needs that kind of direction! :)

I have that problem with the stress/bad mood of my husband, I'm really hypersensitive to it, always asking, "are you in a bad mood?" (which he hates! :rant: ), then esp when I then ask, "are you mad at me?!" (which he wasn't until that very moment!!! :blink: ) Can't help you with this one.......but you sound like an EF, in that you are possibly overly sensitive to Xander's moods, I guess the equivalent would be to tell him to turn off his Ti!

you got it! spot on 100%

most of the time it's not a problem, but every once in while I could just use a helpful ear. i always like it when he proposes solutions to the problems, but i have to be able to mae my own decisions about whether to accept the advice or not - I do usually use the advice but not to the letter!

[Lori]

Holy toledo! That was fast..

you did volunteer! just sorry it's taken me so long to get back on line and reply - don't get chance while at work!




well we are trying to decide between T and F. Xanders dad is saying T. and No Xander wasn't hovering! I was very stressed when i first filled in the forms, had had a lot of emotional upheaval. I did an online test the other night and that came out ESFP but then again I'm still stressed out for various reasons -and I am very over emotional when stressed! (Just ask Xander!)



[QUOTE=This is so common... especially among the IT and the EF types.

Hmm, I won't offer advice but I will offer an explanation. Hopefully it'll help.

Xander's main preferences - that is, the way he will react most of the time - is based upon a very logical model.

He'll see: GF home. GF needs fixing. I fix!
You'll see: BF home. BF needs me! I'm there!

Xander's Fi will be unable to help much here and is Fe won't know how to react. If the Fe can't pick up the situation, his T will... and then the problems start.

Looking at the opposite of this situation, imagine if xander was fixing something and needed an extra hand and asked for your help. A similar example would be;

He'll see: Ask GF for help. GF shows up. GF tells me what I should do.
You'll see: Ask BF for help. BF shows up. BF helps you finish.

Another typical divide, all around.

that really rings true! After a few heated dicussions we don't suffer from this quite as much but it does still happed! Xander is much better at adapting how he reacts than I am though.

Thanks - A lot of what you say makes sense. I strugglr fully understanding the MBTI but I am getting there. Learning more about the types has cerrtainly helped me understand myself much better!

[Birdsnest]

I think if you want to just learn to "listen" to your feelings more as an INTP, you can and thats where it starts to open a different sort of learning. I normally do not really put too much value on my feelings and try to rise above them to a better result in thought. However, if you as a T just experiment with this, and see what happens when you listen openly to your feelings, and even act on them, it begins to open lines to another side, but the trick is that you must try to VALUE those feelings and act on them, as if your feelings were ALL that mattered, and then you are will be validating that F, try it, its strange, but you start finding that the feelings are there to guide you after all.

[Xander]

I think if you want to just learn to "listen" to your feelings more as an INTP, you can and thats where it starts to open a different sort of learning. I normally do not really put too much value on my feelings and try to rise above them to a better result in thought. However, if you as a T just experiment with this, and see what happens when you listen openly to your feelings, and even act on them, it begins to open lines to another side, but the trick is that you must try to VALUE those feelings and act on them, as if your feelings were ALL that mattered, and then you are will be validating that F, try it, its strange, but you start finding that the feelings are there to guide you after all.
That sounds freaky!!
Very Obi Wan.
Don't use your eyes they can decieve you. Stretch out with you feelings!