Bush approval rating

[Kilby]

Let's see what you think.

[Architectonic]

Who was the idiot who approves?

[Darkness]

Who was the idiot who approves?

Let me guess, hmm whomever started this thread/poll? :think:

I would venture to guess that Bush ain't gonna fly too well at INTPC...:popcorn:

[Claverhouse]

You might clarify: is this for US Citizens, the people who by the awesome power of their individual votes, direct and control the administration they employ; or for intps everywhere ?


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[coffeezombie]

You might clarify: is this for US Citizens, the people who by the awesome power of their individual votes, direct and control the administration they employ; or for intps everywhere ?

You might as well vote. This is hardly a scientific poll.

[booyalab]

Who was the idiot who approves?
i wasn't sure of what I'd choose until I saw this post. fyi
5 idiots now.

[Claverhouse]

You might as well vote. This is hardly a scientific poll.

OK then. Now try and guess which I chose...

:whistle:


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[euterpenc]

You might clarify: is this for US Citizens, the people who by the awesome power of their individual votes, direct and control the administration they employ; or for intps everywhere ?


Claverhouse :ph34r:

All we can do is vote. After that, we have little power. Unfortunately, there are no particularly good choices for people to vote for. It's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils.

[Helios]

*yawn*


I'd like to make issue with the lack of an 'malaise/indiffernce' choice.

[Nighthawk]

All we can do is vote. After that, we have little power. Unfortunately, there are no particularly good choices for people to vote for. It's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils.

Word ... that has been my stance for the past few decades. Its usually a choice between dumb and dumber ... or corrupt and more corrupt.

[Claverhouse]

All we can do is vote. After that, we have little power. Unfortunately, there are no particularly good choices for people to vote for. It's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils.

True ( baring in mind that I consider voting to be a sick and depraved method of governance ), but out of nearly 300 million people in the US, one would have thought there'd be more choices than between two bozos like Bush and Kerry...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Nighthawk]

....but out of nearly 300 million people in the US, one would have thought there'd be more choices than between two bozos like Bush and Kerry...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Heh ... nobody else wanted the job ;)

[Snowflake]

Who was the idiot who approves?

Who are the idiots who disapprove? Hmmm????

*cough* :dieemo:

[Darkness]

You might clarify: is this for US Citizens, the people who by the awesome power of their individual votes, direct and control the administration they employ; or for intps
everywhere?Claverhouse:ph34r:


I was aiming for INTP's in general and this poll has no scientific value but its still interesting to observe these results. It looks like I might be correct that Bush is not in favor with the INTP personality type individuals. Ofcourse, this poll still doesn't mean anything but it brings up other more complex questions. No one knows but maybe we're all idiots in one way or another?:shock:

[Wiki]

Word ... that has been my stance for the past few decades. Its usually a choice between dumb and dumber ... or corrupt and more corrupt.

My sentiments also, but I do think Nader could do good things in the rather impossible event he got elected, even though he comes accross abrasive.

[Kilby]

This poll is for anyone who is a member. I just wanted to get a general idea of what the feelings are with you guys and gals. US, Belgium, Finland, Canada, Australia, wherever, just vote on!

[Kilby]

I'm sure the speech tonight has given someone an urge to vote. There is now a step by step plan, if that is what the naysayers actually wanted.

[nottaprettygal]

I also want to speak to those of you who did not support my decision to send troops to Iraq
Oh hello. Yes?

I have heard your disagreement, and I know how deeply it is felt.
So you have turned on the TV in the past two years. I was wondering...

Yet now there are only two options before our country victory or defeat.
Well, c'mon. That's just a little cliche, isn't it? I guess victory can only come in the form of war.

I don't expect you to support everything I do, but tonight I have a request
Anything. You name it. Tis the season for giving after all.

Do not give in to despair, and do not give up on this fight for freedom.
Ummm....Sure. I'll get right on that. Whatever that means.

Americans can expect some things of me as well.
Oh snap! I guess that means that only your supporters are Americans. And the rest of us are unamerican. Forget about it! Fuck your request! I'm off to give into despair.


...So...That's what I thought of that speech.

[Kilby]

So, you're saying you enjoyed the speech? haha

"Anything which sparks emotion in the soul is worthy of recognition and should forever resist abolition." -Kilby

"Indignation, when experienced during precipitation, always leads to ramifications." -Kilby

Weren't you at least feeling the Oval Office thing? It was so... presidential.

[Ivy]

I love how the poll, at its current levels, totally looks like a cock&balls.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Anyway, I don't actually know anyone who approves of Bush at this point. Even the Republicans I know, and I do know a few, are pretty disgusted with him now.

[nottaprettygal]

Weren't you at least feeling the Oval Office thing? It was so... presidential.

Whenever the president gives a speech in the Oval Office, I always assume it's a Saturday Night Live sketch for some reason.

The speech was....nothing. It was just a bunch of trite Bush-isms strung together. The ending was golden though. I was wondering how he'd work god into the mix:

"And we remember the words of the Christmas carol, written during the Civil War: "God is not dead, nor [does] He sleep; the Wrong shall fail, the Right prevail, with peace on Earth, good-will to men."

Thank you, and good night."


Ah..."the Right prevail" I sense a hidden political message.

[Rhu]

Ah..."the Right prevail" I sense a hidden political message.
I wonder if he sensed it too when he was reading it.

[Kilby]

The right prevail, hah, that's good. Hell, I only watched a little of the speech, but I'll go and get my fair and balanced analysis of it later on FOX NEWS. (the number one prime time cable news channel)

[Claverhouse]

I know it's trite enough, cos they said it sitting back themselves safely enough against all the tyrants in history, but forgetting crimes and all, why haven't there been any assassination attempts just for speaking the way he does ?

America's full of loonies. And America has brave and valiant hearts ready to brave any murderous devices set against them. Has it no pissed-off English professors who practice daily with with mail-order rifles ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Kilby]

I love how the poll, at its current levels, totally looks like a cock&balls.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Anyway, I don't actually know anyone who approves of Bush at this point. Even the Republicans I know, and I do know a few, are pretty disgusted with him now.

Yeah, those North Carolina Repubicans are a strange breed.

Hell, I know there are a lot more supporters out there. Come on INTP people, undecided and support are what you are, let's make a push before the poll closes, yahhhhhh!

[Ivy]

Yeah, those North Carolina Repubicans are a strange breed.


Uh, yeah. If even the Republicans, in a state which repeatedly elected Jesse Helms, think that Bush has fucked up, it's gotta be pretty bad.

[Kilby]

Uh, yeah. If even the Republicans, in a state which repeatedly elected Jesse Helms, think that Bush has fucked up, it's gotta be pretty bad.

Is he related to Ed Helms? ha

[Claverhouse]

Post No. 1.
Let's see what you think.

Post No. 14.
I was aiming for INTP's in general and this poll has no scientific value but its still interesting to observe these results. It looks like I might be correct that Bush is not in favor with the INTP personality type individuals. Ofcourse, this poll still doesn't mean anything but it brings up other more complex questions. No one knows but maybe we're all idiots in one way or another?:shock:

Interesting. You must forgive my remissness in not asking earlier, but are you a team ?


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Moderating mode

[Kilby]

Post No. 1.

Post No. 14.

Interesting. You must forgive my remissness in not asking earlier, but are you a team ?


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Moderating mode

Thanks for pointing that out. Hell no! This is Kilby's thread and where does he get the temerity to do such a thing? Kilby works alone. And besides, I don't think I have agreed with anything he has said, and probably vice versahh.

[Claverhouse]

Thanks for pointing that out. Hell no! This is Kilby's thread and where does he get the temerity to do such a thing? Kilby works alone. And besides, I don't think I have agreed with anything he has said, and probably vice versahh.

Ah. So.

Incidentally, are you a registered Repubican, as you call them ? Just out of interest.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Kilby]

Ah. So.

Incidentally, are you a registered Repubican, as you call them ? Just out of interest.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

No. I'm not a big fan of labels, anyway. Kilby represents what this forum seems to lack, according to the poll, adn that is a strong republican viewpoint. Politics are fun when you're not face to face spitting in someone's face, so this is nice because good intelligent viewpoints will come out of these discussions, I feel, and lead to a better-informed INTP community. I think now I may go stir up some controversy with the Patriot Act thread. haha

[Architectonic]

Kilby represents what this forum seems to lack, according to the poll, adn that is a strong republican viewpoint.

Maybe there is a good reason for that. :whistle:

[Biff_Loman]

Let's not take our eyes off the ball, people. Let us not forget that America's bold invasion of her ancient enemy, the Iraqi empire, has removed the threat of global nuclear war and ushered in a new world order for us all.

[Kilby]

well, right now disapproval is winning. Anybody care to do anything about it? or build the lead?

[C.J.Woolf]

Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales wrote of Bush's speech last night:

"Bush looked determined to look determined."

Quality snark.

[sbw]

thank you english ivy for pointing out the cock&balls. I haven't looked at this thread in days, and that was the first thing I noticed. that, and the completely unsurprising nature of the results.

also, who is undecided? he's a divider, not a uniter, after all...or something like that...

Scott

[Kilby]

ABC poll, I think, had approval at 47%. I don't think we will get there on this poll, but my fingers are crossed.

People love to make fun of the president for stupid #$^@. Well, I think he is doing what is best for the country and the world. Judge a man for his character, his vision, not his pronunciation of nuclear, which has been used in the past by other presidents.

As for this new NSA thing:

No law or ordinance is mightier than understanding.
Plato

[Kilby]

if you haven't voted, time is ticking. George Bush is the best president in history. Vote for approval. Speak for yourself and give us all your opinion. The approval needs to rise. Fighting the war on terror, no man ever has been fairer, faith, belief in God, the son, and the holy wraith.

[Darkness]

if you haven't voted, time is ticking. George Bush is the best president in history. Vote for approval. Speak for yourself and give us all your opinion. The approval needs to rise. Fighting the war on terror, no man ever has been fairer, faith, belief in God, the son, and the holy wraith.



Time is up and it looks like Bush Jr will never be in favor with the majority here at INTPC. Good Job INTP's (nerds.):D Your spin is finished now go back to watching the SPIN ZONE on FOX...

[Kilby]

Time is up and it looks like Bush Jr will never be in favor with the majority here at INTPC. Good Job INTP's (nerds.):D Your spin is finished now go back to watching the SPIN ZONE on FOX...

No, time is not up. I don't care what people here think. I was just trying to incite passion one way or the other on the vote, to let them know it was up, if they haven't seen it. Everyone here knew Bush would not win here. Spin zone, huh? Did you come up with that yourself? If that's humor, then great. If it is not, please go read my past posts on these topics, so you can just join the debate I am trying to facilitate instead of getting all serious.

[Snowflake]

Let's not take our eyes off the ball, people. Let us not forget that America's bold invasion of her ancient enemy, the Iraqi empire, has removed the threat of global nuclear war and ushered in a new world order for us all.

Yeah.

What about Korea? China? Hell, what about Russia?

I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic?

[MacGuffin]

He does say funny things on occasion.

Reported in yesterday's Washington Post Reliable Source column:

As President Bush wrapped up a news conference in which he hotly denied charges of "unchecked power" in a secret domestic spying program, reporter April Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks tried to ask two separate questions (about counterterrorism efforts and race relations) in one breath. The president answered the latter, then doubled back.

Bush: The other question was?

Ryan: Sir . . .

Bush: You asked a multiple-part question.

Ryan: Yes, I did.

Bush: Thank you for violating the multiple-part-question rule.

Ryan ( laughing) : I didn't know there was a law on that.

Bush: There's not a law. It's an executive order. [ Laughter from press. ] In this case, not monitored by the Congress -- [ more laughter ] -- nor is there any administrative oversight [ big laugh ].

[Dom]

He does say funny things on occasion.

Reported in yesterday's Washington Post Reliable Source column:

As President Bush wrapped up a news conference in which he hotly denied charges of "unchecked power" in a secret domestic spying program, reporter April Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks tried to ask two separate questions (about counterterrorism efforts and race relations) in one breath. The president answered the latter, then doubled back.

Bush: The other question was?

Ryan: Sir . . .

Bush: You asked a multiple-part question.

Ryan: Yes, I did.

Bush: Thank you for violating the multiple-part-question rule.

Ryan ( laughing) : I didn't know there was a law on that.

Bush: There's not a law. It's an executive order. [ Laughter from press. ] In this case, not monitored by the Congress -- [ more laughter ] -- nor is there any administrative oversight [ big laugh ].

I guess someone must have be wired up to him telling him what to say? That was almost witty?

I don't like Bush! Thankfully he doesn't (quite) run my country! I have to say if we'd managed to elect him twice (sorry let him fix an election and then re-elect him) I probably would have renouced my nationality and gone to live on sea land!

[Dom]

Yeah.

What about Korea? China? Hell, what about Russia?

I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic?
I'm pretty sure he was

[Dom]

*yawn*


I'd like to make issue with the lack of an 'malaise/indiffernce' choice.

Indeed, but what use is it? except to show that the person elected was elected without general approval, which the low turn out invariable shows.

It would only highlight what we all know which is that our governments are not formed onthe basis of public opinion, but on the basis of those who can be bothered to take an interest's opinon.

More people voted against my current government (counting those who could vote but didn't) than for but the still hold a very large majority by post war standards!

Problem is that people have to volunteer to want to run the country, exactly the type of people you don't want to run a country.

then they are selected by a popular vote rather than who may actualy do a better job.

The hitchhikers guide film summed it up when it said that Zaphod had proved that good looks and charm would beat ability to rule and govern well every time.

[Architectonic]

Judge a man for his character, his vision

Bush has poor character and his 'vision' only lasts 5 minutes. This is why my (and many other INTPs) opinion of him is poor.

[wildcat]

I have always marvelled at young American ultrareactionary people- especially those that originate from the South. There seems to be an influx of them lately into the Forum. They are jolly and they have a good humour and their stuffy old fashioned suits are a number too small yet so tidy and well pressed.

I have known them since the early 60s. With crowded hotel rooms all over the world I have shared with them the room and the bathroom and the breakfast table. I have always marvelled at how well they shave.
They never change.
Generation after generation their appearance, talk and dress and the sleazy church-going maneer is the same.

God. Why do you not give me a break. Whatever it is I have I done to you. I cannot be that bad.

Compared to these aliens, Claverhouse looks and talks like a Communist artist from Camden town.

[Kilby]

Wildcat, makes me think of Owen Wilson in the Royal Tenenbaums, good name. Ultrareactionary is one hell of a word, jeez. We just need to quit this party system and jettison the ideology spectrum and make elect a philosopher king in 2008, like Plato said right. Now to everyone, we've got a few minutes left, do what you gotta do.

[Kilby]

It's over. Thanks to all who voted. 3 out of 4 disapprove. That really says something.

[mattj]

What I really want to know is: which country will Bush attack next?
You know in those game shows where they give you 30 seconds to grab as many dollar bills as you can?
I can just hear Bush's mind whirring:
"Gotta win the war in Eerack so I can bring peace (pause) and prosperity somewhere else."

In addition to my substantive criticisms of President Bush, I don't like very much how he pronounces the word "Iraq."
Matt

[Star Cannon]

Y'know, how strange it is, that when someone good like Kennedy or Lincoln comes along someone just has to go and kill them...

And then this fuckwit named Bush comes along, how come no one's tried to kill him? When is the Praetorian guard going to step and kill the bastard?

[Claverhouse]

Compared to these aliens, Claverhouse looks and talks like a Communist artist from Camden town.

For you, my friend, in memory of the taking of Riga:


Mp3 (http://media.putfile.com/sovietanthemrobeson)


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[wildcat]

For you, my friend, in memory of the taking of Riga:


Mp3 (http://media.putfile.com/sovietanthemrobeson)


Claverhouse :ph34r:
Happy Christmas Claverhouse. And thank you for the kind present.

Riga was taken many times.. now the troops stand a little further off.. by Talava. Many Rigans say py Talowo. But what do they know.

[Phenylethylene]

What I really want to know is: which country will Bush attack next?

if He could, those on the shortest path between the Caspian and the Mediterranean Seas.

[charred_heart]

The right prevail, hah, that's good. Hell, I only watched a little of the speech, but I'll go and get my fair and balanced analysis of it later on FOX NEWS. (the number one prime time cable news channel)
8O LOOOOOOOOOOLLLL!!!!!

[Braggi]

the poll looks like E.T. is giving the finger

[meshou]

well, right now disapproval is winning. Anybody care to do anything about it? or build the lead?No.

1) Gay Marriage.

2) Patriot fucking Act.

3) Going into Iraq in the first place.

4) The constitution is "just a piece of paper."

5) Continued illegal spying on civilians.

6) That spy his bestest friend murdered, but he let off.

There have been at least decent Republican presidents, but I don't know why you people aren't edging away and pretending you aren't with him. It's theoretically possible to be a resonable Republican. You can agknowledge that at least some of those are just evil, if not grossly incompetant.

[Rhu]

4) The constitution is "just a piece of paper."

I wonder how he would respond if someone countered by saying the same of the Bible.

[Claverhouse]

Not knowing much about NO, I see from the piece below that it has had hurricanes before, and the response from previous pressies was more positive; even by fairly minimal standards the little guy really is a fuck-up.

Copied from a livejournal where I was trying to find out why Thief II crashes to desktop whilst Thief Gold and fan-missions work fine...

http://www.livejournal.com/users/pratzstrike/



September 12th, 2005
04:47 am
This was written on September 3rd by my friend Arc on the http://boards.pyoko.org (http://boards.pyoko.org/) thread in the THRALPH subforum in the thread The Flood, containing hard statistics and facts about Hurricane Katrina.

Don't skip forward. You need to see this.

*******************

The federal government is the last line of defense, and as such, is the most critical.
It is supposed to be in palce in case all other defenses fail.

In August of 1969 when Cat-5 Hurricane Camille hit roughly the same area as
Katrina, President Nixon had already readied the National Guard and ordered
all Gulf rescue vessels and equipment from Tampa and Houston to follow the
Hurricane in. There were over 1,000 regular military with two dozen
helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard within hours after
the skies cleared.

President Bush (41) -- August, 1992 -- was in the midst of a brutal campaign
for re-election. Yet, he cut off his campaigning the day before and went to
Washington where he martialed the largest military operation on US soil in
history. He sent in 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military
personnel, and all the gear to begin the clean up within hours after Andrew
passed through Florida.

In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd -- a category 3 -- was bearing down the
Carolinas and Virginia. President Clinton was in Christchurch, New Zealand -
meeting with President Jiang of China. He made the proclamation that
only Presidents can make and declared the areas affected by Floyd "Federal
Disaster Areas" so the National Guard and Military can begin to mobilize. Then
he cut short his meetings overseas and flew home to coordinate the
rescue efforts. This all one day before a Cat-3 hit the coast.

Bush 43 - August 2005 - Cat-5 Hurricane Katrina bears down on New Orleans
and the Mississippi gulf. Both states are down nearly 8,000 National Guard
troops because of the Iraqi War -- with most of the rescue gear needed. Bush
is on vacation. On Sunday, the day before Katrina makes landfall, Bush rides his bike
for two hours. On Monday, the day she hits, he goes to Sen. McCain's birthday party in Arizona;
and attends two closed Medicare reform speeches to senior citizens.
People are dying, the largest port of entry in the United States (and fifth largest in the World)
is under attack. Troops and supplies are desperately needed. The levees are cracking and
the emergency 1.5 ton sandbags are ready, but there aren't enough helicopters or pilots
to set them before the levees fail. The mayor of New Orleans begs for
Federal coordination, but there is none, and the sandbagging never gets done.

On Tuesday, Bush goes to San Diego to play guitar with country
singer Mark Wills, and to give a speech about how Iraq is just like WWII. The
levees give way, filling New Orleans with water, sewage, oil and chemicals.
Ten percent of all US exports, and 50% of all agricultural exports ordinarly
go through this port. It is totally destroyed. Bush decides to end his
vacation a couple of days early on Wednesday, but not on Tuesday night.
He had tickets to a Padres game for that night. He goes back to Crawford,
with every intention of doing something on Wednesday. Bush arrives on
Friday saying of the rescue effort 'Results are not acceptable'.

The Numbers

* # of named tropical storms/hurricanes this year: 11
* Area covered by federal disaster declarations: 90,000 sq. miles
* Size of gap in NOLA's 17th Street Canal levee breach: 300 feet
* Depth of water covering parts of NOLA: 20 feet
* % of NOLA under water: 80%
* # of days engineers and crews expect to need to dry out NOLA: 36-80
* Height of wall of water to hit MS coast: 30 feet
* % of Biloxi/Gulfport, MS buildings wiped away by storm surge: 90%
* # of official deaths to date in MS: 126
* # of official deaths to date in AL: 2
* # of official deaths in FL: 11

* # of deaths estimated in NOLA: up to 10,000

* # of Red Cross shelters in MS: 101
* # of Red Cross shelters in LA: 90
* # of Red Cross shelters in AL: 31
* # of people rescued by the Coast Guard from flooded areas and rooftops: 4,000

* # of Hyatt, Ritz-Carlton guests moved to the head of Superdome's evac line: 700

* # of people remaining in Superdome stadium [as of 11pm 9/2]: 2,000
* # of survivors still stranded in Convention Center [as of 11pm 9/2]: 15,-20,000
* % of 2,200 hotel rooms occupied by evacuees in Tuscaloosa, AL: near 100%

* # of people in MS, LA, AL, and FL still without electricity: 2.3 million

* # est. people trapped in NOLA alone: 80,000

* # of people per hour dying in NOLA's city hospitals: 8-10

* # of those evacuated above that died waiting for food and water - 100

* # of BellSouth Corp. Gulf Coast customers without service: 1.6 million
* # of BellSouth Corp. Gulf Coast customers with restored service: 150,000
* # of police radio channels being currently used in NOLA: 1
* # of agencies using NOLA's 1 open police radio channel: 20
* # of foreign nations offering to help US: nearly 60
* $ Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered the Red Cross: $1,000,000
* # of doctors Cuba's President Fidel Castro offered to send: 1,100
* # of tons of medicine Cuba's Castro offered to send: 26
* $ charitable contributions collected for the victims of 9/11: ~$1 billion
* $ contributions to date from individuals, corporations, foundations: $400 million
* # of months GM and Ford will delay car payment collection for victims: 3
* # of projected payroll cuts this month due to Katrina aftermath: 500,000
* # of years since US last saw 500,000 jobs cut in a month: 30 years
* % daily jet fuel production is down: 13%
* % jet fuel prices have increased this week: 19%
* Fraction of nation's oil produced by US Gulf Coast region: 1/3
* % of oil production shut down currently: 91%
* # of missing oil rigs in gulf region: 20
* # of oil rigs in gulf region: ~520
* # barrels of oil in strategic reserve: 700 million
* # barrels of oil released so far: 5 million
* $ avg. price of gasoline a year ago: $1.86
* $ avg. price of gasoline today: $3-$4
* Fraction of nation's natural gas produced by US Gulf Coast region: 1/5

* % of gas production shut down currently: 83%

* Fraction of all grain produced in US that is exported out of the country: 1/4
* % of US grain exports handled by US Gulf Coast region: 60%
* # of top 12 US ports in the Gulf Coast region: 5
* Standing of the South Louisiana port by US cargo volume: #1
* $ est. freight transport companies are losing due to closed ports: $3-4 million/day
* % of LA's oyster harvest lost: 2/3 [valued at $181 million]
* # of years it could take for the LA oyster crop to return: 2-3
* $ tourists spent last year in NOLA: $5 billion
* % of Louisiana's tourism income coming from NOLA: 50%
* # of exercises conducted simulating hurricane hitting NOLA in 2004: at least 1

* $ est. total economic losses caused by Katrina: - $100 billion

* $ amount on the relief funding bill signed by Bush: $10.5 billion
* $ est. insured damages for Hurricane Katrina: $50 billion
* $ Hurricane Andrew's total insured damages (after inflation): $43 billion
* $ spent shoring up levees, building pumping stations past decade: $430 million
* $ of crucial work still remaining, but underfunded due to Iraq War: $250 million
* $ Army Corp of Engineers request for NOLA hurricane/flood programs in 2004: $105 million
* $ amount the WH carved above request down to: $40 million

* $ value of pork-filled highway bill: $286.4 billion

* $ bill allocation to building Alaska bridge to uninhabited island: $231 million
* $ federal money spent on emergency preparedness following 9/11: $8.6 billion
* $ sent by Homeland Security to states to combat terrorism annually: $1.1 billion
* $ sent by Homeland Security to states to combat natural disasters: $180 million
* # of major disasters declared by the federal government since 1995: 562
* % of terrorism grant money that may be spent on national disasters: 0
* $ 2005 FEMA budget: $5.038 billion

* % of LA National Guard troops in Iraq: 40%
* % of National Guard equipment in Iraq: 50%
* # of major disasters predicted by FEMA in 2001 that have already happened under Bush's watch: 2 out of 3
* % of those stuck in NOLA predicted to perish in above report: 10%
* % of WH officials/Cabinet Members on vacation 3 days after Katrina hit: 95%
* % of tolerance President Bush said looters would be treated with: 0

Of course the deaths were exaggerated back in September, etc., but the difference between Nixon & Bush the First and his weird little son is striking.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[wildcat]

I do not remember any single president as well as Nixon.

Ironically, he was an extremely prudent poker player when young and could finance his studies at college and law school through the game.
His will power was striking.
People know always which type this and that public figure is here in the forum. And they are often wrong. But maybe because I read the American newspapers every day throughout the Nixon era (partly because of him) I can conclude with some degree of accuracy he (in spite of being emotional) was an extreme INTJ.
I always had an ambivalent attitude toward the man. Maybe because of my father: another extreme INTJ, but with exactly Claverhouse outlook into the world.

His introversion was striking and uncommon among any politician. His intuition often proved wrong- to appoint Kissinger was a bad mistake. In the end people saw only his flaws.

[C.J.Woolf]

I see Nixon as a Shakespearean tragic figure.

Bush 43, on the other hand, is Oedipus Tex.

[wildcat]

I see Nixon as a Shakespearean tragic figure.

Bush 43, on the other hand, is Oedipus Tex.
I did not know he suffers from the famous Freudian complex. It sure explains a lot. Maybe old Brezhnev suffered from it too. After all, the journey into Afghanistan can be seen as a miracle medicine to veer off the unhealthy interest toward the mother.

[C.J.Woolf]

What the hell, I'll reply on the level.

Bush 43 had a burning desire to do two things: take out Saddam Hussein and get re-elected, both of which his father failed to do. Never mind that the first was voluntary; Bush 41 knew exactly what would happen after Saddam's fall, which is what is happening now.

As for Mom, contrary to appearances Barbara Bush is the strongest and most ruthless person in the family.

[wildcat]

What the hell, I'll reply on the level.

Bush 43 had a burning desire to do two things: take out Saddam Hussein and get re-elected, both of which his father failed to do. Never mind that the first was voluntary; Bush 41 knew exactly what would happen after Saddam's fall, which is what is happening now.

As for Mom, contrary to appearances Barbara Bush is the strongest and most ruthless person in the family.
Did not know about Barbara. I learn so many new and interesting things!
Barbara has got too big bones. Of the president wives I always kind of preferred Jacqueline Onassis. Her bones were kind of small and her hats were not too small for her head.

[charred_heart]

The right prevail, hah, that's good. Hell, I only watched a little of the speech, but I'll go and get my fair and balanced analysis of it later on FOX NEWS. (the number one prime time cable news channel)
I thought you were being sarcastic, but I guess you weren't. I'm sorry if I seemed offensive :whistle:

[Marble Wry]

I thought you were being sarcastic, but I guess you weren't. I'm sorry if I seemed offensive :whistle:

You didnt' offend Kilby. He was just messing with people, because he knows how much most of us hate Fox news.

[wildcat]

Now the lollipop days are over, fellows. Finally Koba has found an heir worthy of the loved leader. Barbara Bush and her phratry rule the world. The venerable Voice of the People rants and raves in vain: the proles have already taken over. The 1948 nightmare of Orwell is at hand. The worthy descendant of the proly Cromwell wields her mece. You shall not hide.

[Claverhouse]

Ah, Crummle wasn't a prole: he hung the Levellers' leaders when they proposed reforms that went beyond the desires of the Gentry who benefited from the English Revolution ( which was to make only the Gentry count ); yet you are right in one thing:

the infamous Lady Thatcher had a portrait of Cromwell over her desk.
Her successor, the wretched John Major, represented Huntingdon, Cromwell's old seat as MP.
His successor, the quazi-fascist Tony Blair, has a portrait of Cromwell over his desk.

The old satanic monster still lives in his admirers. Of whom Hitler was the foremost.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[wildcat]

Ah, Crummle wasn't a prole: he hung the Levellers' leaders when they proposed reforms that went beyond the desires of the Gentry who benefited from the English Revolution ( which was to make only the Gentry count ); yet you are right in one thing:

the infamous Lady Thatcher had a portrait of Cromwell over her desk.
Her successor, the wretched John Major, represented Huntingdon, Cromwell's old seat as MP.
His successor, the quazi-fascist Tony Blair, has a portrait of Cromwell over his desk.

The old satanic monster still lives in his admirers. Of whom Hitler was the foremost.


Claverhouse :ph34r:
Amende honorable. The satanic monster lives in the heart of proles. He did not allow the king to rule. He set against the divine order.
The kings sent the troublemakers over to the Colonies. Penn was one of them.
And what an oppoturnity old Krummelmann had found in the New World! There his brethren could have engaged to burn the witches alive with gusto.

Nothing good came ever out of Huntingdon.