Are INTP people of above average intelligence?

[PsiKik]

Hi,

I wonder if there is any information about a correlation between
intelligence and personality type.
This could become quite a controversial subject and I hope to spark
some serious discussion about this.

Bye

[Ckyzxr]

As defined by Merriam-Webster and most related to the discussion:

intelligence-the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : REASON; also : the skilled use of reason

reason-the power of comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways

By definition, I would conclude that some personality types would be more intelligent simply because they apply the tools that lead to intelligence more often than other personality types.

[Dunearhp]

Rational types probably have a slight advantage in traditional I.Q. tests.

But then I think that I.Q. is a concept with little meaning.

I think that it is more useful to consider how you gauge success and how effective you are at working towards it.

The "who is smarter" question is loaded and dangerous. Personality type is more about how you approach a problem than how well you will solve it.

[synchronous]

As defined by Merriam-Webster and most related to the discussion:

intelligence-the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : REASON; also : the skilled use of reason

reason-the power of comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways

By definition, I would conclude that some personality types would be more intelligent simply because they apply the tools that lead to intelligence more often than other personality types.

For the moment, yes, this is the formal and traditional definition. From the definition, you would be tempted to infer that MBTI Rationals would be considered more intelligent. Definitions can change/evolve, much like long standing theories are debunked. There are quite a few progressive thinking researchers and scholars, presently looking outside conventional norms to formulate a more inclusive, universal definition of pluralistic or "multiple" intelligence. Based on a pluralistic definition, all types contain the potential to be intelligent, or have above average intelligence.

Some considerations:
Musical/Rhythmic intelligence and/or visual/spatial intelligence: Mozart (experts consider him to be an ISFP) was labeled intelligent or smart for his abilities in music - creating rich and complex musical rhythmes, patterns, tones etc. How often do you hear about artists being "brilliant, intelligent, genius". Not all artists are ISFPs, but, many of the so called brilliant ones are, and its for their ability to recognize tones, rhythms patterns and shapes - not for their abilities to reason through a complex mathematical equation, or understand the principles of quantum theory. How ironic that many of these artists get labeled 'geniuses' only long after they are dead....

Interpersonal intelligence (EQ): Two capable employees are up for a promotion - new responsibilities and higher pay, offered up by the boss; both desire the promotion very much. One is less competent technically, but, has more 'people smarts' (maybe an NF type?) - he/she understands his boss' mindset and plays the persuasion game. The other is more technically competent but has little ability to influence people and outright refuses to entertain 'kissing a**'. He/she believes the technical merits stand on their own. The one with the people smarts gets the promotion (how often does that happen..). Who would you consider is more intelligent?

[Universal]

Holy shit, so interesting! So what can INTP do better then all other types? Reason?
Hall my life I thoght I am better then anyone eles, I did IQ tests did not score specially much there, tryed to play intelectual games like chess etc. did not score big their ether! But still feel " smarter " then anyone eles?
Can some one explain please?

[spirilis]

Holy shit, so interesting! So what can INTP do better then all other types? Reason?
Hall my life I thoght I am better then anyone eles, I did IQ tests did not score specially much there, tryed to play intelectual games like chess etc. did not score big their ether! But still feel " smarter " then anyone eles?
Can some one explain please?
I believe that intelligence, or the ability to adapt, is fully independent of personality type. You can usually tell within a certain timeframe who out of a group of people are "intelligent" and who are not. Sometimes it takes a lot of interaction to fully realize this. Analyzing your workmates, after having sufficient interaction and hearing enough gossip/talk about what everyone's doing, then watching them in action tends to bring this out.

Personally, I used to think I was very very smart too. But I've seen events in my life, especially in comparison to others I know, which make me think otherwise. Likewise, I've seen people who I thought were highly intelligent due to their status and position in life, then after further analysis, realized they weren't all that intelligent, they just had vast resources at their disposal (parents with $$ and altruistic ideals, etc.)

IMHO, intelligence could be thought of as a resource which paces your mind. The ones who are highly intelligent can become prolific in different fields in shorter periods of time than most. But the lesser intelligent can still become prolific in fields of study in short periods of time provided they devote ALL their resources to it. But they can't become a prolific jack-of-all-trades in everything. (addendum: or at least not in the same timeframe as a highly intelligent person...)

[Universal]

My english is not very good, you said something about intelligence, but can you please say what is the main strenght of an INTP from all other types if it's not intelligence?

[INTrPosr]

We should all know by now, that when it comes to typing, thinking has nothing to do with intelligence, anymore than feeling with emotions. Keirsey does make a valid point that intelligence is not based on abstract thinking and IQ test. SPs are far more superior in tactical information, whereas SJs make the best logicians. We cannot compete with NFs diplomacy skills anymore than those temperments being capable of developing strategies.

[PsiKik]

I agree with synchronous. The concept of EQ is certainly an important aspect
of intelligence and I'd be the first to admit that my EQ needs some work.

Definitions of intelligence change. Perhaps intelligence should be described as distributed over several characteristic areas(music, math, eq etc) much like the personality is described in MBTI types.

[Aryan]

There are currently recognized eight types of intelligence:
1. logical - mathematics
2. spatial - art,drawing,chess,etc. imagination and ...
3. body - dances,athletics,..
4. emotional - politics,salesmen,...
5. spiritual - religious leaders,...
6. }
7. } --> i forgot these three but definitely they will not be required here
8. }

INTPs can be intelligent if they are into something
becoz they learn through experience and apply Ti thinking to processes to know the actual truth..
but this intelligence is required only in logical , and spatial intelligences where and thinking (Ti) and imagination (Ne) are required.
But definitely in fields such as body intelligence, emotional and/or spiritual intelligences INTps dont excel.
So INTPs might actually score high IQs but might be totally low on EQs.

[MacGuffin]

I think INTPs are probably, usually, of above average intelligence. Not geniuses.

I think it would be hell on earth to go thru life as an introverted thinker and be stupid.

[Johnny]

I think it would be hell on earth to go thru life as an introverted thinker and be stupid.

:lol:

Perhaps, but few complaints would get noticed regardless...

[crule81]

I did IQ tests did not score specially much there. . .

Hold on, I thought you said you had an IQ of 125? If that's true, that puts you at about the 95th percentile.

[PsiKik]

There are currently recognized eight types of intelligence:
5. spiritual - religious leaders,...


Could someone please explain how you could be intelligent spiritually??
Maybe I'm missing something.

[flan2dave]

If you can start a cult, you're intelligent spiritually.

[PsiKik]

If you can start a cult, you're intelligent spiritually.

Surely that falls under psychological intelligence, as in understanding how to dupe and manipulate people?
Initially my thought was that someone who 'believed' in
something with no evidence couldn't be that smart, unless they were being coerced. i.e Xtians afraid of hell.

[Universal]

I did IQ tests did not score specially much there. . .

Hold on, I thought you said you had an IQ of 125? If that's true, that puts you at about the 95th percentile.

125 is above average, nothing to be prowd of. My grandmom who is 80 yo. and an ISFJ scored 127.
If you want to take a good, free IQ test www.intelligencetest.com with a detailed explanation of your IQ.
What is a "95th percentile"?!

[crule81]

95th percentile means you scored better than 95% of people taking IQ tests. Then again, the raw scores vary somewhat based on what test you took. I would be wary of these internet IQ tests. I've heard that most of them are unreliable.

[INTrPosr]

I think it would be hell on earth to go thru life as an introverted thinker and be stupid.

Stupid is, is stupid does!! :D

Without some means of utilizing our intelligence out in the real world, we are all destined to appear marginal in intellect.

[Universal]

Crule81 .. yeah maybe this internet tests are too much ...
have you taken any IQ tests? How much did you score, what site?

[Division56]

LOL, I pity the poor fool who actually tells Universal their scores.

[crule81]

Don't worry, I haven't even taken an IQ test.

[candela]

I took an actual IQ test from a psychologist...It was culturally biased.

[Claverhouse]

Well, I'm not. But at least I know it.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Niflheimian]

Well, I'm not. But at least I know it.

Then perhaps you're of above above average intelligence, Claverhouse.
Let me take this opportunity to tell you how much I appreciate the way you word/phrase your sentences. Can't forget that bloody sense of humour either! :nerd:
*hopes Claver recognizes the British puns*

[Claverhouse]

[ Smiles diffidently and backs into a corner ]

:D



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Star Cannon]

I think it stems from the ability to actually use the mind we were given. :-*

My friends call me smart but by my own standard I refuse to label myself 'smart' or 'intelligent'. I think it boils to this:

Using the mind we are given and keeping it open to input.

Therefore: No. We use the mind better than everyone else.

[HairlessBluetick]

I think it has more to do with INTPs having the skills that are rewarded on IQ tests -- logic, problem-solving, vocabulary, etc. None of which really have much to do with "intelligence" except as relates to IQ.

[int]

Hmm...the SATs sound very similiar. I got a 960 on mine.

[Arioch]

If you can start a cult, you're intelligent spiritually.

Hehe.. that can be quite fun.

But it's not a nice thing to do... :ph34r:
So don't do it... oh look a distraction! :hello:

[booyalab]

I believe that spiritual intelligence is a reconciliation of the thinking and feeling functions, an ability to conceptualize and/or adhere to a moral system.

[jimkopelli]

I was labeled as "gifted" in elementary school... don't remember what I got on the IQ test... don't really care. I'm smart enough to know that there's bags and bags of stuff I don't know. I think that a large portion of appearing smart is being able to guess well. Reading a lot helps (vocab) and good mental recall is really helpful.

[Utopmk]

LOL, I pity the poor fool who actually tells Universal their scores.

Now he's doing 1-800-COLLECT commercials.

According to Universal's test, my IQ is 67.

[Miss Padfoot]

How often do you hear about artists being "brilliant, intelligent, genius".Quite often, actually. Especially with Mozart, whom I think was definitely an INFP, not an ISFP.

Yeah, I think NT types are more intelligent, but I think that may be partly due to the fact that they want to be intelligent. They use reason when considering anything, and through constant use, their reasoning skills improve.

[Niflheimian]

Yeah, I think NT types are more intelligent, but I think that may be partly due to the fact that they want to be intelligent. They use reason when considering anything, and through constant use, their reasoning skills improve.

Good point. I think it's similar for the NF types; they want to feel and be more considerate, etc; therefore their feeling function is used often and, as a result, is improved. Most of us on the other hand, aren't as concerned with that sort of thing.

[Arcael]

ive taken 1 IQ test and i got a 128 :-) on that site someone just posted

[paladinoflunaria]

It seems to me that NT types are predisposed to be intelligent. You need the N for creativity, the T for understanding more efficiently, and as for INTPs, the I helps guard against conformity and the P allows flexibility (perhaps too much sometimes). Perhaps it is not necessary to be an NT to be intelligent, but I think being an NT definitely increases the chance.

As far as intelligence, I prefer to see it demonstrated; I don't care about what number a person claims to have received or what reputation that person might have. Multiple intelligences are very interesting, but I grow tired of comparing myself to other people, so I'm trying to cut back on things of that nature.

"Don't count crayons; just draw pictures." -Mark Scharenbroik

[paladinoflunaria]

How many of us are just above average? I always score in the genius range, but I was just wondering.

Hah! And I just talked about not making comparisons!

[cloakable]

If you can start a cult, you're intelligent spiritually.

Hehe.. that can be quite fun.

Are you speaking from experience?

[meanlittlechimp]

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