What is your gender?

[Johnny]

I also think a category for women specifically won't be needed at a forum mainly full of Thinking women...
I'm surprised to read this. I imagine the vast majority of the posts I read to come from male teenagers.

So, INTP'ers, how do we really stack up on gender?

[Division56]

Hey, I pinned this to the top of the list. It's something people will want to cite for a while.

[Claverhouse]

I also think a category for women specifically won't be needed at a forum mainly full of Thinking women...
I'm surprised to read this. I imagine the vast majority of the posts I read to come from male teenagers.

So, INTP'ers, how do we really stack up on gender?

I assumed that she was inferring that the women who do post here are the more intelligent of their gender rather than making a generalisation about the majority of members...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[CosmicDust]

Or maybe it's that MBTI T females are less likely to relate to "women's issues" than F females would be.

[Johnny]

I don't understand why these things would rule out that category, but I could see ruling it out on the grounds that MBTI doesn't make attempts to identify one's personality preference with assistance from one's gender.

[paladinoflunaria]

I assumed that she was inferring that the women who do post here are the more intelligent of their gender rather than making a generalisation about the majority of members...

Interesting... actually statistics show that men tend to fall into the sides of the bell curve while women mostly fall into the middle of the bell curve (bell curve as per intelligence distribution). I wonder how accurate these statistics are. From the many people I have observed, it seems to be true, but I can think of reasons why this statistic isn't completely correct. It is quite possible that it is, though, but anyone is welcome to research it.

[CosmicDust]

Also, it's thought that Mother Nature might have favored "what works" in females - standard engineering - over experimentation, because more of them needed to survive and reproduce than males in order to keep the species alive. This opened the male gene pool for some experimentation, since fewer of them were needed to carry on the species. Males can spread their seed around, and often dream of it. Women have to grow it in their own gardens.

[paladinoflunaria]

True

[Jezebel]

Or maybe it's that MBTI T females are less likely to relate to "women's issues" than F females would be.

I'm female and I'd say that this is the case for me.

[Johnny]

22 responses so far...30% women. That, to me, is still astounding. I wasn't anticipating more than 10%.

[CosmicDust]

That's actually pretty close to the gender ratio in astronomy grad school - about 1/3 female.

I happen to be a 24 (well, in 6 days) year old female in astronomy grad school. I only (sorta) look like a teenage boy, thanks to the short hair and Harry Potter specs. If you saw me in person, and I was not wearing a jacket or something else that totally obscures my modest yet present female shape characteristics (not an hourglass or pear, but not an ironing board either), you'd be able to tell I'm a woman.

[Avengardh]

Or maybe it's that MBTI T females are less likely to relate to "women's issues" than F females would be.

I'm female and I'd say that this is the case for me.

Totally...I had a female INTP-friend, and her and I were pretty uncomfortable when we talked about "feely-touchy" type stuff because we didn't really have a clue about it, we could relate to each other, but we didn't know what the hell was going on.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have female INTPs as friends, I just haven't found one yet that doesn't want to have "something" with me or who views me as competition.
Which sucks...

~*Aven*~

[Johnny]

If you saw me in person...you'd be able to tell I'm a woman.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine by me and I don't mind learning. My twin sister would likely find a woman's forum irrelevant and uninteresting as well, and she's also a research scientist. In fact, I'd predict she would be completely unsympathetic to "women's issues".

[Birdsnest]

Well, I think that the T in INTP simply means you prefer thinking over feeling as a final means of determing things. I don't think it means you don't feel or have compassion at all. For me it doesn't. As an INTP female I appreciate womens rights, and other women, but I could care less about the typical gossip or wearing the latest style or fitting in anywhere, or reciprocating in the circles that most extroverted women indulge in.

What I see even in this group of INTPs that is different from me is that you seem to put a lot of importance on "fitting in" with each other, and less on allowing other INTPs to be whoever they may be. Why do we all have to be exactly the same? Why should we be exactly the same, all we really have in common is the preference of Thinking over Feeling, I think that is the main criteria, and I would think there would be a lot of variety otherwise amongst us. But I am new here, and so I will more or less observe.

[Melody]

I for one do not find importance in fitting in. The only thing I noticed similar about everyone here is their writing. I think INTP's are supposed to not give a fork about fitting in. A nice description I read about them offers that they are like chameleons, so according to it, they are not really trying to fit in for the sake of fitting in, but for the sake of being unnoticed. So depressing!

[Johnny]

Learning is my primary goal when it comes to chameleon-behavior. Not to imply I'm a successful chameleon, mind you.

[The Architect]

Learning is my primary goal when it comes to chameleon-behavior.

Me too. I used to be an excellent chameleon, then I started to discover most people didn't have anything to offer, and those who did weren't necessarily looking for someone like themselves, so I'm simply myself now and quite unique.

[Johnny]

10 more people have voted, and still a 70/30 breakdown. I stand corrected, it seems.

[shaytana]

Learning is my primary goal when it comes to chameleon-behavior.

Me too. I used to be an excellent chameleon, then I started to discover most people didn't have anything to offer, and those who did weren't necessarily looking for someone like themselves, so I'm simply myself now and quite unique.

I have discovered the same as well.

[Melody]

Hmmm...maybe we all want to say we love eachother, but find it difficult to do so. I love you all.

[Claverhouse]

[ Surprised, but moved ]

Well, thanks.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Utopmk]

But...what is love?
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=96

[Pati]

Someone earlier in this chain posted that female INTP's might be less interested in traditional woman's issues. Interesting thought. I find that I am intereted in some things that woman are interested in, like food or creative things, but am totally out of it with makeup or hair styles or fashion. Long nails? Not me!
Since my life took an alternate path and I don't have children or a husband I don't have much in common with a lot of the woman I meet on a day to day basis and can sometimes struggle to have a conversation with them.
I also find that I am interested in a much broader range of things than alot of other women and can converse easily with men on most things (other than sports!). Of course I work in a male dominated profession and have had to figure out how to get along with them. LOL

[ohnoaninfp]

[quote="Utopmk"]But...what is love?

I dont know really. It is painful because I ahve never really been in love, because I keep attracting jerks :(

[ohnoaninfp]

[quote="Utopmk"]But...what is love?

I dont know really. It is painful because I ahve never really been in love, because I keep attracting jerks :(

[ohnoaninfp]

soory i wrote tha twice, my computer is acting strange. Darn tecnology :rant:

[Jkrs]

What are these 'womens' issues' that everyone keeps mentioning, anyway? Politics? Home/family?

[Avengardh]

What are these 'womens' issues' that everyone keeps mentioning, anyway? Politics? Home/family?

I suppose they are talking about "touchy-feely", unless I am wrong and then I must redeem myself, lol.

~*Aven*~

[cloakable]

Heh, I used to be a chameleon, but about the only thing I found out during my teenage years was that I was surrounded by shallow idiots obssesed with shallow, idiotic things. Like some people here, I simply resorted to being myself, and reading a hell of a lot :ph34r: .

[Anacaona]

What are these 'womens' issues' that everyone keeps mentioning, anyway? Politics? Home/family?

I think "women issues" would be fashion, gossiping, make-up, celebrities, shopping, relationships (with men)... I guess this is what average women talk about when they gather together...

[CosmicDust]

Yeah, that's more or less what I meant by "women's issues" anyway. The kind of stuff you can read about in women's magazines, mostly. I, probably like many female INTP's, don't have a very strongly gendered personality.

[Jkrs]

Ahh, thanks. Sounds dull. ;)

[Claverhouse]

Dull to you and I, but, since other people are different, interesting to them, otherwise they wouldn't do it. :D



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Jkrs]

Of course. :D

[candela]

I'm so used to posting on a very male dominant forum(Warcraft III, also has a high concentration of INTPs) that it feels weird to see the female percentage so high. I'm used to just assuming everyone is male on forums.

And sorry, but this drives me crazy. The phrase is "couldn't care less" because if you could care less, that means you care.

[int]

And sorry, but this drives me crazy. The phrase is "couldn't care less" because if you could care less, that means you care.


statement_via_candela = true;



:)

[antireconciler]

I'm so used to posting on a very male dominant forum(Warcraft III, also has a high concentration of INTPs) that it feels weird to see the female percentage so high. I'm used to just assuming everyone is male on forums.

And sorry, but this drives me crazy. The phrase is "couldn't care less" because if you could care less, that means you care.

I make that assumption too, and have to think back about what I've said to people when I find out they're female and I've been talking to them like they're guys for the last month. It's happened several times here.

That phrase irritates me sometimes as well. Also, people say "for Christ sakes" but he only has one sake because Christ is only one person and Christ owns it so it's "for Christ's sake". Also, people very often pronounce "lacadaisical" with an "x" sound like "laXadaisical". Wtf? There are a lot of things like this.

[Crazy]

I talk to everyone the same. Very seldom would I talk to a woman differently than a man.

As far as the chameleon factor goes, I am myself, but I am also very good at the chameleon thing as far as the physical characteristics of it go. I don't try to dress or be interested in what "everyone" else is, but I surely don't stand out in a crowd, and people have called my name looking for me when I am standing right next to them. Not to mention my work uniform is MARPAT digital camoflauged utilities.

[antireconciler]

I talk to everyone the same. Very seldom would I talk to a woman differently than a man.

Yeah, I don't think I would consciously except to avoid undisireable gender-specific social consequences. It still makes me think though. Although this really doesn't apply here much, in other places, knowing someone's gender sometimes allows me to better understand how that person is going to percieve stuff.

[Claverhouse]

As far as the chameleon factor goes, I am myself, but I am also very good at the chameleon thing as far as the physical characteristics of it go. I don't try to dress or be interested in what "everyone" else is, but I surely don't stand out in a crowd, and people have called my name looking for me when I am standing right next to them. Not to mention my work uniform is MARPAT digital camoflauged utilities.

I'm certainly not chameleon, being if not distinctive, sufficiently unlike --- well, I've got longish hair and it's still not really acceptable ( although I would point out that in Britain & western Europe at least, there were more centuries when men had shoulder-length hair than centuries when men had cropped hair, starting from Roman times [ & they varied between the two more times than you'd think since most of our mental imaging of Romans comes almost entirely from the late republic when hair was short ] until the 1830s mode of living in which we currently exist ). And I wear barrack-dress all the time, even if in no army ( self-coloured not DPM ). But still like you, in a group, I am ignored, and my views not sought: sometimes one wonders if one is actually visible to them... In a strange way, conforming to the norm makes other people distinctive enough to be considered serious, I guess. :rofl:

Anyway, welcome here.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Miss Padfoot]

Or maybe it's that MBTI T females are less likely to relate to "women's issues" than F females would be.I used to relate to "women's issues" but ever since I realized that the "gender bias" hardly exists - and I act more like a typical guy than a girl anyway, being a T - I pretty much avoid all of it. That goes for both women's magazines (no, I'm not interested in the newest celebrity hairstyles, thanks all the same) and the so-called "women's studies" programs at colleges, which I personally think are irritating.

[really?]

Surely a persons perceptions cannot be guessed by knowing their gender. Only your own preconceptions which can often be questionable as this survey has shown. Preconceptions are restricting.

[Melody]

I originally thought the INTP population would be something like 90% male and 10% female. However, what this poll is showing is something more like a normal population of internet forum users. So it seems to me that women are just as likely as men to be INTP's.


That goes for both women's magazines (no, I'm not interested in the newest celebrity hairstyles, thanks all the same) and the so-called "women's studies" programs at colleges, which I personally think are irritating.
I'm interested in women's magazines because they often have "sex surveys" of men and talk about what us men supposedly want in women. Really interesting. ^.^

[Strephonade]

It's equally as interesting to read through advice columns for men, and to see what women are supposedly looking for in a guy.

My decisions are usually made on an individual basis. Or they were, before I married. :)

[Avengardh]

I read them more as an "Get to know your enemy" kinda thing, just to be informed.
That and, I like to criticize the layout of the magazines and/or graphics used...^o^

~*Aven*~

[Strephonade]

Yes, if you know both sides of the discussion, that's to your advantage! It allows you to be more persuasive, if needed. And I agree, there are some layouts that could use some new perspectives, certainly. ;)

[Avengardh]

^_^

[crule81]

woops, posted to wrong thread.

[greenintp]

this link gives an idea of women's issues:
http://research.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/links.html

I think they should not be isolated as "women's" Issues. I believe treatment that results in neglect, disrespect and any other form of abuse will be passed down from the women through generations in one form or another. This makes them everyone's issues. If one would want to better a society, one should start at home. Even if one does not inflict abuse themselves... tolerance of abuse is a vile incubator. Society is gripped by a cancerous decay... selfishness. Protect the innocent.
Sorry... just had to get that off my chest. :D


What are these 'womens' issues' that everyone keeps mentioning, anyway? Politics? Home/family?

[Clara]

First off :thumbsup: a very grateful thank you to the people who made it so that polls inform us "you have already voted," ... as today, when I tried to remember if I'd just passed through, or stopped in.

greenintp, that's well put - and it's a theme needs more voices saying it in all their different ways. You know, I do think that gender, and our experience though our gender, does influence how we see the world... and yet, when I read that post of yours, I thought, "I don't know green's gender - and this doesn't tell me; I've heard similar thoughts on the same topic, just as eloquent, just as passionate, from males and females both. ;) :)

[Helios]

I found this via "Random". I find it hard to believe we are 40% female, but perhaps we boys are just much louder and not really so numerous.

[Dempsey]

I am male, hear me roar.

[Loco_Mullus_Surmuletus]

Im pissed there is no "INTERGENDER". I am biologically a woman, but I cerentainly don't feel like one.

[Melange]

Female, nice to see more men here. I used this moderate this website (http://www.powerpets.com/signup.asp?rfID=283959) and the stats say it was 70% female, 30% male, but it must be more from the work I did on the chatboards. I remember about 10 or so active male players out of the almost 100 females I met on the boards.