EXPLAIN PARALLEL WORLDS, PLEASE....

[azurwarrior]

I had a near-death experience.
I have no science background and a learning disabllity in math. But, since then, I can understand Time being able to bend, speed up, slow down. Etc. Within and without, natch..
I can understand the simultanaity of cause and effect... (without being able to spell it).
Gravity as the essential "stuff" of the universe makes sense.
(Although there may be other explanations forthcoming). Wait and see.
Rightly or no, these satisfy a thirst for understanding. For the time being, anyway.
But, does someone know and can someone please let me know about Parallel Worlds in a way that makes sense to me?
I think there's something there I need, somehow.

[Google Monster]

Parallel worlds to the best of my knowledge are non-existent. There is only one parallel world.

[KuJo]

Parallel worlds to the best of my knowledge are non-existent. There is only one parallel world.

wtf?

[Sir Isaac Lime]

Well, i'm not sure what exactly happened to you or what you experienced, so maybe you could share.

If you're not familiar, theres a chemical thats produced endogenously in the brains pineal gland (speculated as the key to the human soul and a bunch of other mystic stuff), and released during times of extreme stress eg. birth and death. Based on what people describe about NDE's, and my own experiences with the drug (completly for science of course), I think the chemical is the cause.

People who have the NDE's are quick to discount it, because their experiences were so intense and convincing they don't belive a drug could possibly cause them. But i'll tell you it's worthy of all the mystical tales found in religious books, the first time I tried I had the all-so-common bright flash of white light, flying through a tunnel, and the physically convincing feeling of being transported to some other plane, complete with supernatural dieties.

[azurwarrior]

This was after a drug od/poisoning, probably.. I was about 13 years old.
I experienced intense, compassionate white light. Near my bedroom ceiling. I don't know if that was a parallel world. Incredible. No words can describe the experience adaquately.
I did not experience a "tunnel," it was more like a guiding, loving direction.
Then, I was experiencing the solar sytem, and traveling through different galaxies and different kinds of worlds. Different kinds of time, especially strong.
I could see that Earth was in a dark place in relation with others.
I understood then that even all the horrible things that happen on Earth ..I don't know how to explain it now-but everything is ultimately ok.
That sounds wrong now, I can't explain how, but there's a way.
I learned that no one on Earth need fear anything, ever.
I have since then experimented with LSD (and had an OOBE then) and Sufi meditation and Kundalini Yoga. Sleep deprivation, lucid dreaming (not yet) Chanting gives me benefits in the everyday world I inhabit now, as well, so I mostly do that, now.The other things kind of weird me out too much to do the day to day stuff.
I also underwent past-life regressions if anyone is interested in details.
Also, I have 2 beloved cats that passed away, one recently and the other many years ago. I've had psychic experiences with both. And with a close friend's cat. I'll give details if anyone is interested. I think they are quite close, in a parallel world(s) perhaps.
After reading your description, I'll bet there are so many. Buddhists say there are 30,000 realms in a single life moment. And the Universe equals infinity times infinity.
It just seems kind of overwhelming now.... Thanks for the description, Birdsnest. Thank you all for writing.
az

[last_caress]

Are you sure it wasn't a hallucination?

I had a pretty vivid one at about 4 years old from an allergic reaction to medication.

[Google Monster]

I have a theory on NDE's and death.

[azurwarrior]

Are you sure it wasn't a hallucination?

I had a pretty vivid one at about 4 years old from an allergic reaction to medication.
I can't say it wasn't 100%. I do know that I've never experienced anything close to that with the many drugs/meditation etc. I experimented with subsequently.
I've never tried the pineal brain chemical(?). It sounds intriguing.

[Stillwater]

I have a theory on NDE's and death.

Spill it.

[Sir Isaac Lime]

I've never tried the pineal brain chemical(?). It sounds intriguing.

It's called dimethyltryptamine or DMT for short. One would be most likely to experiment with it the form of ayahuasca. The tryptamine class hallucinogens have always interested me the most, since they seem to result more in experiences dealing with the "other worldy", dare I say spiritual. One gets the impression he's on some sort of journey, in contact with something beyond himself. The Lysergamides like LSD feel more centered around the mind itself. All subjective of course.

[deus ex machina]

Well, i'm not sure what exactly happened to you or what you experienced, so maybe you could share.

If you're not familiar, theres a chemical thats produced endogenously in the brains pineal gland (speculated as the key to the human soul and a bunch of other mystic stuff), and released during times of extreme stress eg. birth and death. Based on what people describe about NDE's, and my own experiences with the drug (completly for science of course), I think the chemical is the cause.

People who have the NDE's are quick to discount it, because their experiences were so intense and convincing they don't belive a drug could possibly cause them. But i'll tell you it's worthy of all the mystical tales found in religious books, the first time I tried I had the all-so-common bright flash of white light, flying through a tunnel, and the physically convincing feeling of being transported to some other plane, complete with supernatural dieties.


Drug name please? :banana:

[deus ex machina]

It's called dimethyltryptamine or DMT for short. One would be most likely to experiment with it the form of ayahuasca. The tryptamine class hallucinogens have always interested me the most, since they seem to result more in experiences dealing with the "other worldy", dare I say spiritual. One gets the impression he's on some sort of journey, in contact with something beyond himself. The Lysergamides like LSD feel more centered around the mind itself. All subjective of course.

oh I should have kept reading before I posted!

I have often tried to get my hands on this shit, but no one ever has it. It's funny, I have read alot about it, and I have met hundreds of peoples threw parties back in the day and I could never find this stuff. Maybe it's time to start looking again.

[Google Monster]

Spill it.

Consider it spilt.

Now of course this is still a theory of course. Like evolution, lol. Deaths and near death experiences are to me very closely related to dreams. And dreams are purely mental states which don't have the physical limits and travels in our mind through energy. Energy travels faster then our physical selves so a minute in dream world can be an hour in our real world. Ok I'm getting lost in my explanation now where was I? Hmmmm... Oh yeah, the point is when we get close to death and our body begins to shutdown our mind is the last part to go because it requires less energy to operate then lets say moving our hands or beating our heart. And because energy travels so fast its theoretically possible that time in our mind will differ from the time in our physical world. So if one believes in heaven then one will go to heaven during this time. If one believes they are about to die (NDE) then one will see the tunnel and the white light. So its also theoretically possible that what we perceive as a small moment after a human's death can be an eternity in heaven, hell or whatever the mind goes through for the human whose dying. Even you don't believe in an afterlife its possible you change your mind after entering the death dream state.

[azurwarrior]

Yes, please elaborate. How often did you go, what did it involve, were you able to record the sessions to ensure the person conducting the experiment was not trying to influence you, how aware were you during, how much of that supposed past life or past lives did you remember prior to and after said session?

-Kai
I will try to answer your questions.
I have used self-hypnosis many times.
But, the hypnosis session that was the most profound occurred in 1995. I was a student at Slippery Rock University.
I will focus on this experience, now, since it is the strongest.
I was taking a PHIL 323 course entitled "Mysticism and Psychical Research."
The class attempted to apply the scientific method to these experiences.
During the course, the Professor asked Dr. Paul Schulte(sp) to do past life regressions using hypnosis with student volunteers.
I was hypnotized by him only once. It was tape recorded. I still have the tape.
I do not believe I was being coerced any way during this by anyone. The tape would confirm this.
BTW, in that class, something like 13 of 15 students volunteers experienced what was, to them, recollections of a previous life.
These lives were quite varied. The professor's was a past life as a philosopher in the ancient Egyptian pyramids.That seemed a little fishy since that was so closely parallel to the present day. But maybe it's the reverse...
Some others were a jazz dancer in the 1920's, a life in the time with the black plague, a barber in Victorian England (and many more)..
It is to my great regret that I did not think to try to get names/dates/etc. to try and verify this experience as it occurred!!
Before hypnosis, the first thing Dr. Schulte did was something like a pendulum reading, using his whole body.
Then, he asked me if something significant happened when I was 23 (in 1987).
I told him that was the year my beloved grandmother had passed away, my dad had a heart attack, my brother went to prison for life, and our dog, Waggles, had died.
I knew there was no way for him to have known anything about that.
I also figured since this was part of a University course, that they would have to be scrupulous concerning who they chose.
Paul directed progressive relaxation, instructing me to relax each muscle group, one by one.
I was conciously quite aware of time/place.
Then he progressed through mind relaxation using nature scenes, etc. Then, using imagery, I progressed to a point where I perceived my inner world strongly with less emphasis on the outer environment.
I was yet aware, concious...I knew where I was and what I was trying to do.
Paul directed me, after a time, to visualize a old, venerable wizard.
"This wizard has all the akashic(sp) records at his disposal. "
Paul then directed me to choose one.
(He reassured me it would be the right one at this time).
So, I picked one.
I forget all the minute details (although I have recorded them elsewhere, if anyone is curious to know more).
Then he asked me 'don't think, are you indoors or outdoors?" Outdoors, I said.
Then he directed me 'don't think Look at your shoes. Describe them."
I said they were tattered brown boots. He said that may be profoundly significant.
Then, BAM! I was in another life. For the brief period, it was absolutely real. I was not aware of the room. I was there in the woods in the midst of a bloody, horrific Civil War battle.
I (we) had been lied to. There was not glory, or honor, or anything like that.
It was just a fierce battle for survival. kill or be killed.
One soldier, my god, a human being, I thought at the time, was actually pinned into a tree with a bayonet, I remember that.
As for me, I was grabbing a Confederate's soldier's rifle. He was on the ground, bleeding, almost dead and couldn't resist. I thought he might have enough energy left to point the rifle at me and kill or wound me.
So, I grabbed his rifle and killed him.
I was trying to kill anything (not "one") with a gray uniform on. Or I DIE!
I'm actually crying as I write this, and I don't cry.
Here's something interesting: I knew that soldier in this life was my next-door neighbor in my present life.
(Before this, we hated each other. Through this past life recollection, I was able to recognize the deep roots of this(!) and focused on harmonious relations with her. I stopped fighting, so WE FINALLY stopped fighting) LOL.
Since this experience, I have tried to access this life at that intensity again, through self-hypnosis. I have not been able to do that, specifically.
I've caught glimpses through other sources, such as poetry. I find the form of the the Ghazal to be conducive to these recollections, as it contains a strong mystical element and it is expected that the work remain at some level, unscrutable.
I think I may have lived as a poet/ mystic in ancient Persia, for one.
Another strong though brief glimpse I've experienced via a seer whose work is strongly based on Edgar Cayces' work is living in a rainforest in an ancient Indian tribe. Then, I was a shaman/healer who, among other things, used local herbs and botanicals to cure disease and help bring about harmony.
In this life I fight with anything I can to help preserve the rain forest. Because there just may be cures for dread disease there.
I have caught many other glimpses through intiuition concerning the Civil War throught my life.
I visited an old Civil War era graveyard and experienced such a sense of sadness emanating from there. I still send them daimoku and prayer, even though I didn't even know them.
Before that, I recalled scenes from the Civil War as early as second grade. And other awarenesses of other times and places from my earliest memories of life.(WWII).
I pay attention to any ego-dystonic event and have caught glimpses of other lives, like inner snapshots.
You may get glimpses-someone you don't like intensely, without justification (like my neighbor). or, maybe you've experieced a sense of deja-vu for no apparent reason.
I certainly could be completely wrong about all of this.
I do take everything with a grain of salt.
But, if the result is more peace in the present life, then I am for it.
And, when you get right down to it, we can't even prove logically that life even exists.
In the class, we discussed cases of spontaneous recollection of past lives from young children (like 5yrs. and younger) who could not possibly had the life experiences, yet described people, places, things from past lives that were later verified.
A couple of final notes-During the battle scene, I noticed I had 2 yellow upside down stripes on my sleeve.
So, I'd have been a corporal. At least at that point.
And, the only branches of the Federal (I called it then, not 'Union" like we do now) Army that used yellow stripes were the Cavalry and the Corps of Engineers.
I learned that war is ridiculous! If everyone could experience this, there would be no more wars.
Towards the very end of the regression, Paul asked me how old I was when I died.
67, I knew.
I also knew I was married.
I also knew the war had changed me. Because I lost my innocense, I mostly just sat in one chair staring at the room around me for the remainder of that life, in abject despair. I knew I had broken God's commandment THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
and that that life was causing illness in my present life.
That's something I had long suspected.
What was my purpose in that life? Paul asked.
I immediately and with conviction knew what I was there to do-to learn to not to be fooled by appearances.
He seemed startled. I was a little puzzled. I remembered killing anyone wearing a Confederate uniform. What a thing to have to die for-wearing gray?

[kuranes]

It's interesting that your "past life regression" experience had people in it remembering roles that they had played that were somewhat humble. So often you hear about people remembering that they were once a general or an Aztec high priest etc. vs. just a Joe Schmoe from the era.

Parallel worlds are supposed to be all the things that could have happened that didn't to your world. There have been times that I noticed "If I had not happened to do so and so just then, I might have been badly hurt" - because of the timing of a near miss. In a parallel world maybe I DID get hit, and in that world the Kuranes funeral has long been over. In other worlds maybe I never came to that splitting off point, because of choices I made earlier that led me to different splits. How would all the worlds be connected, if such a theory is true ? Not sure. I need to find out more about "spin" - the physics term.

[azurwarrior]

It's interesting that your "past life regression" experience had people in it remembering roles that they had played that were somewhat humble. So often you hear about people remembering that they were once a general or an Aztec high priest etc. vs. just a Joe Schmoe from the era.

Parallel worlds are supposed to be all the things that could have happened that didn't to your world. There have been times that I noticed "If I had not happened to do so and so just then, I might have been badly hurt" - because of the timing of a near miss. In a parallel world maybe I DID get hit, and in that world the Kuranes funeral has long been over. In other worlds maybe I never came to that splitting off point, because of choices I made earlier that led me to different splits. How would all the worlds be connected, if such a theory is true ? Not sure. I need to find out more about "spin" - the physics term.

So, does that mean the Civil War is occurring right now? For instance? Some say so.
And, what is the role/function of serendipity?
And, is all "one." Connected, as some say. How does the law of relativity correlate (correspond?) to all this. Is all random? If time can speed up and slow down, so should space, then? So, my deceased relatives could be 3 feet away in a parallel dimension of some type.
Can they see me, then? Without having earth eyes (for lack of a better word)?
I know this sounds crazy.
I don't have any background in math or science.
(Maybe if you guys were around when I was in school, I might have understood more)............
I still want to understand, and feel compelled to try to do so. LOL.

[kuranes]

So, does that mean the Civil War is occurring right now? For instance? Some say so.
And, what is the role/function of serendipity?
And, is all "one." Connected, as some say. How does the law of relativity correlate (correspond?) to all this. Is all random?

Anybody that tells you they can answer these questions with certainty has probably got one hand in your pocket, while the other hand is pointing at the sunset.

[azurwarrior]

[QUOTE=Kai]azurwarrior:

Do you listen to the tape from time to time?
- Yes, I do. But I have not been able to get the same intensity of experience. I have glimpsed what seemed to be other past lives, though.
If you would like, I could transcribe the session (leaving out my particular responses).

I would like to experience a past life regression.
- Needless to say, there are a lot of "fakes" trying to make a buck. But, there are also LOTS of good people out there. There are some psychotherapists who do past life regressions. Their credentials may be a bit easier to ascertain.
Dr. Paul Schulte (he has a law degree, BTW) may still do this. Last time I heard, he was practicing in Ohio. He used to charge about $100.00/session.
(This was in 1995). Or maybe he could recomend someone.

How long have you experimented with self-hypnosis? Do you have any tips or books you would recommend?
- I have been experimenting with self-hypnosis for many years. A book I can recommend is "Discovering Your Past Lives," by Gloria Chadwick. To tell you the truth, I like to just go to bookstores (especially Borders) and
just browse till I find something that feels right. But that is a very good book, in my opinion.

I am very interested in experimenting with altered states of being and accessing the subconscious. I have had much success in manipulating my "dream realms" for lack of better words.
- Please tell me more about this. For instance, do you do 'lucid dreaming?' I want to learn how.
There's so very much I don't know about.

EDIT: Your avatar, is it somehow related to the past life you have described?
- Yes. Working on those appearances, I guess. Azure=blue + warrior Actually, Netscape screwed up my name (azurewarrior-they said the name was taken-and it was- by ME. But, I couldn't get that across to them. So, I shortened the name. Anyway, that soldier in the photo happened to be from my hometown in PA. And, he was a corporal in the Federal Army. Those guys made intense images because they knew they may be dying soon and it had to last. But, I'm surprised I was able to get ANY image. Because I don't know much about computers. LOL.
az

[azurwarrior]

The more you know, the less you know. I'm usually in trouble when I think I know. LOL.

[Melody]

in themselves, relativity, quantum mechanics, advanced mathematics, etc are actually quite prosaic, especially compared to the philosophical meanderings here

as far as i know, there is no theory that says anything about parallel worlds

i recommend grabbing some introductory texts on relativity and quantum theory because the general structure of these is interesting and will carve out ur understanding of nature better

but my general feeling is that any epiphanies u experience wont be due to anything scientifically founded, but will come from urself

[azurwarrior]

What about the string theory? Spin? Any thoughts?

[Melody]

i havent delved into string theory yet, but from my general understanding of it, it is similarly philosophically tenuous... or potentially even more so, since its analytic foundation is more mathematical than, say, special relativity

but it is not a complete theory yet, and m-theory in particular [which may be considered a superset of the string theories] may have interesting propositions when someone finally decides to formulate it

i dont think theres anything special about spin 'quantized intrinsic angular momentum,' except that its a property thats measured in experiments, maybe ones which some claim have relevance to the locality principle, and maybe others which some claim have relevance to the existence of consciousness. anywayz, its dealt with by quantum theory so u can get an idea of it in a treatment of such


note: dont take anything i say directly. im at most a dabbler in these philosophies atm


my general feeling again is that u wont find anything solid in these, except guides for ur own mind ooglie booglie. hinduism for example is popular for its usage of concepts from quantum theory to explain/support concepts of the religioun

[Sir Isaac Lime]

oh I should have kept reading before I posted!

I have often tried to get my hands on this shit, but no one ever has it. It's funny, I have read alot about it, and I have met hundreds of peoples threw parties back in the day and I could never find this stuff. Maybe it's time to start looking again.

It's not an easy find. You'd be more likely to find it the form of ayahuasca, probably from some triangle worshipping new ager promoting a new cult.

[azurwarrior]

[QUOTE=Kai]What?? But the responses are the best part! :cry:



Oh, I'm sorry. I understand your confusion. I just meant you could use Dr. Schulte's guide for your OWN self-hypnosis. It really ends up being a very good self hypnosis/past lives kind of tape that anyone can use after deleting my responses.
Of course, you can easily buy those tapes. This one I think is especially good, after having tried several. My verbal responses don't even come close to what I was experiencing, on the inside, during that time.
az

[kuranes]

People interested in this should also see the thread on what it would be like to live in a simulation.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=9283

[de groz]

To the OP, read a book on clairvoyance.

Oh, you won't get any scientific proof from it, but further stories to back up your beliefs.

[azurwarrior]

It's not an easy find. You'd be more likely to find it the form of ayahuasca, probably from some triangle worshipping new ager promoting a new cult.
Is there some kind of "street name" for ayahuasca with which to approach said new agers?

[azurwarrior]

Here is something I happened upon yesterday concerning Parallel Worlds (I think).
I had typed in Google wanting information about visiting Kamakura, Japan.
In the 1200's in Japan, there lived a popular sage named Nichiren (whose writings are still followed today).
The authorities of the day persecuted him and sentanced him to die by beheading at Tastsunokuchi(sp.). (Kamakura, I think).
All the soldiers gathered to kill him at midnight. But when midnight came, there was a great luminous silver orb in the sky. The soldiers were so frightened by this that they all ran away in terror. Nichiren was saved.
(Maybe it was a lunar eclipse, maybe a UFO, it doesn't really matter, in this particular context, I don't think).
THEN-
In Nichiren's writings and in those of his followers Nichiren was saved.
HOWEVER, in some of Nichiren's Gosho (writings), Nichiren says he WAS beheaded and he that he, in fact, died there.
Was he referring to a Parallel World in some way?