INTPs: What do INFPs think of you? Look and See!

[CreativeChaos]

This is an all too cute thread on INFP Global. Just thought you'd like to see what is said about you when your back is turned. Hee! ;)

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[sasapurdue]

VEry interesting! this will be a fun read. Thanks for posting!

[attila_the_hunny]

Are we so transparent? So much for being enigmas. <_<

[mgb]

Are we so transparent? So much for being enigmas. <_<

I think the transparency goes both ways personally. It's kind of like this, they can tell what we are feeling before we even know, and we can tell what they are thinking before they even know.

[earwax]

We're cute and fun to be with... But they don't want to date us.

Story of my life. :cheers:

[attila_the_hunny]

I think the transparency goes both ways personally. It's kind of like this, they can tell what we are feeling before we even know, and we can tell what they are thinking before they even know.

Damn my futile attempts at sarcasm. :mellow:

[mgb]

Damn my futile attempts at sarcasm. :mellow:

No, I got it. It's just funny that they think they are the enigmas.

[April]

No, I got it. It's just funny that they think they are the enigmas.

I think they might be looking at it from a mainly feeling perspective. INFPs can understand what INTPs are feeling before they do, but INTPs can't understand what INFPs are feeling before they do.

Can you think of an example in which INTPs know what INFPs are thinking before they know? I'd like to understand that a bit better.

[imfrellinggay]

We're cute and fun to be with... But they don't want to date us.

Story of my life. :cheers:

I'm an ENFP and I'll take an INTP over any other type anyday.

[distraction tactics]

I, for one, don't understand elfee's personality. What he/she wrote is clear enough to understand, of course... it's his/her reaction to it that has me going 'WTF?'

You guys are 'cute'? Check it out - you're also 'silly'.

[mgb]

I think they might be looking at it from a mainly feeling perspective. INFPs can understand what INTPs are feeling before they do, but INTPs can't understand what INFPs are feeling before they do.

Can you think of an example in which INTPs know what INFPs are thinking before they know? I'd like to understand that a bit better.

I do with my ENFP girlfriend all the time, it drives her nuts. I can usually just look at her and know what she is thinking.

To be honest, it's pretty hard to come across an INFP (for me) in real life. I've probably met a few but the only one I've know for sure was a guidance counsellor I had a few years ago at the University. Anyways, the relationship is a little distorted because of it's nature, but there were times where she'd kind of have a thinking based epiphany and I already knew what she was going to say. But when it came to the emotional stuff, it was all her prodding me.

So it's hard for me to give specific real life INFP examples.

[mgb]

I, for one, don't understand elfee's personality. What he/she wrote is clear enough to understand, of course... it's his/her reaction to it that has me going 'WTF?'

You guys are 'cute'? Check it out - you're also 'silly'.

I get it. I mean, we kind of are. We get pretty wound up about the dumbest things but we always have a sense of humor about it. To compare us to an INTJ, we are mean but I think we are a little more sporting than some of them about things. I think we want to seem all rough and rugged and mean, but we don't have the long term tenacity to pull it off like some types do. So it ends up being kind of clumsy and even comedic.

Not that I'd have used "cute" or "silly" to describe it, but I see how it could be to some people.

[distraction tactics]

I get it. I mean, we kind of are. We get pretty wound up about the dumbest things but we always have a sense of humor about it. To compare us to an INTJ, we are mean but I think we are a little more sporting than some of them about things. I think we want to seem all rough and rugged and mean, but we don't have the long term tenacity to pull it off like some types do. So it ends up being kind of clumsy and even comedic.

Not that I'd have used "cute" or "silly" to describe it, but I see how it could be to some people.

Yeah, but does this board really get that wound up, or is it just because we're bored and like disturbing shit for its own sake? I mean, I posted in your thread about 'how would you run INTPC?' and even got into a little debate with cz and Claverhouse about it... but do I actually care? Was there any emotional investment into it?

I'd be surprised if half the crap we argue about on this board is stuff we actually care about. So to have an INFP patronize us on it is like a 5 year old patronizing an adult for not believing in faeries.

[mgb]

Yeah, but does this board really get that wound up, or is it just because we're bored and like disturbing shit for its own sake? I mean, I posted in your thread about 'how would you run INTPC?' and even got into a little debate with cz and Claverhouse about it... but do I actually care? Was there any emotional investment into it?

I'd be surprised if half the crap we argue about on this board is stuff we actually care about. So to have an INFP patronize us on it is like a 5 year old patronizing an adult for not believing in faeries.

But that's the whole thing that makes it funny to them, we don't care. I think some other types do really care so our little cage-rattling-pissing-contests probably seem rather comedic.

And I'd be surprised if the stuff we care about is over 7.98%.

And I don't think the INFPs are patronizing us at all (aside from visiting the forum), it's just how they feel about us. They don't mean it in a bad way, it's just an emotional observation which probably can't be correctly conveyed by language. I think they just enjoy us.

[Biff_Loman]

"Cute" is not a descriptor I would have expected to be applied to us.

[melancholeric]

"Cute" is not a descriptor I would have expected to be applied to us.
Well, it's because the INFP vocabulary is rather, how would I say, limited, which is why they end up expressing themselves mostly with words "cute", "silly", etc, and emoticons.

And "Hee!".

[mgb]

Read this thread, I think it explains their motivations and curiousities (partly) a lot better:

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1732

In some ways it seems like their couldn't be two more different types, and in others like we are practically the same.

[tinribz]

Read this thread, I think it explains their motivations and curiousities (partly) a lot better:

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1732

In some ways it seems like their couldn't be two more different types, and in others like we are practically the same.

I tried reading that thread but after the third post it just got sooo boring and irrelevant that my brain started shutting down and I lost the ability, or is that motivation, to understand the written word.

Nuf said.

[AllThingsConsidered]

I, for one, don't understand elfee's personality. What he/she wrote is clear enough to understand, of course... it's his/her reaction to it that has me going 'WTF?'

You guys are 'cute'? Check it out - you're also 'silly'.

I think my :):):)INFP:):):) friend is all cute, silly and crap too. (Where is that wubbie thing?)

Honestly though, I'm sending her the link to the post and asking her if she concurs. If she does, she may have to die.

[Ella]

I think how they're perceiving us is cute, and not all that inaccurate, really.

[sasapurdue]

I'm an ENFP and I'll take an INTP over any other type anyday.

thanks.

[distraction tactics]

I think my :):):)INFP:):):) friend is all cute, silly and crap too. (Where is that wubbie thing?)

Honestly though, I'm sending her the link to the post and asking her if she concurs. If she does, she may have to die.


...and painfully, muahahaha.

[Biff_Loman]

If she does, she may have to die.

:lol:

[sbw]

I tried reading that thread but after the third post it just got sooo boring and irrelevant that my brain started shutting down and I lost the ability, or is that motivation, to understand the written word.

Nuf said.

how can someone (elfee) type so much and say so little...

Scott

[mgb]

So much for the spirit of understanding.

[Niv]

"Cute" is certainly an interesting description.

I think I might understand what they mean about INFPs "getting all the things [INTPs] -don't- get". My best friend is an INFP, and I find that she often makes her decisions/observations on a "gut" feeling, while my approach is generally more follow-the-logic.

[digesthisickness]

i don't have a problem with nice people... and with that being said...

i cannot stand to have someone think they can "see right through me", or think they know what i'm thinking/feeling, and i really can't stand when someone takes it a step further by telling me what i think/feel...

and then there's the wonderful moments when i tell them they're wrong, just to hear them tell me that i'm 'in denial', 'afraid to admit the truth', 'don't even realize the truth', the smug 'it doesn't matter what you say...' or some other bullshit along those lines (the truth being what THEY think the truth is).

i have emotions. i do not fear having those emotions anymore than anyone else would. the problem that i have with them is giving in to reacting based upon them because that kind of impulsiveness can hurt others and/or myself, and once something is said or done, it can't be reversed (among other reasons).

it just seems so damn pompous to believe that other people are fucking see-through... (unless you've known them long enough to do so, and even then, i think it wise to keep in mind that you aren't them and could be wrong).

[Zephyrus055]

My psychology professor is an INFP and she must hide her emotions better than I do.

[attila_the_hunny]

*Swims close to the glass and looks at INFP, you can practically see the wheels turning inside my little brain*

Read my mind. Come play with me.

-Kai

Yes, come play with me, said the INTP piranha.

[faith]

I think they might be looking at it from a mainly feeling perspective. INFPs can understand what INTPs are feeling before they do, but INTPs can't understand what INFPs are feeling before they do.

Can you think of an example in which INTPs know what INFPs are thinking before they know? I'd like to understand that a bit better.

As an INFJ, I can quite often (not always) read the nonverbals of my INTP friend and know what he's feeling. It makes me so angry on the occasions others continue making jokes or talking about something that I can see causes him pain. On the other hand, I love it that I know the precise moment to glance at him and catch the sparkle that flits through his eyes when something amuses him.

When we're discussing life, the universe, and everything, I'll often try to put into words a thought I've been harboring for days. It usually starts out as a gut feeling, and I work to build it into a true thought with words and everything. With other people, it would take quite a while of discussion before they understand this one thought; then they'd say, "Hm. Who'd ever think of that? What a strange girl you are!" My INTP friend, however, will catch on in a matter of seconds. He'll rephrase my thought more succinctly, then draw a few conclusions from it and take our discussion up several levels of understanding with just two sentences. I absolutely love that!

[mgb]

i don't have a problem with nice people... and with that being said...

i cannot stand to have someone think they can "see right through me", or think they know what i'm thinking/feeling, and i really can't stand when someone takes it a step further by telling me what i think/feel...

and then there's the wonderful moments when i tell them they're wrong, just to hear them tell me that i'm 'in denial', 'afraid to admit the truth', 'don't even realize the truth', the smug 'it doesn't matter what you say...' or some other bullshit along those lines (the truth being what THEY think the truth is).

i have emotions. i do not fear having those emotions anymore than anyone else would. the problem that i have with them is giving in to reacting based upon them because that kind of impulsiveness can hurt others and/or myself, and once something is said or done, it can't be reversed (among other reasons).

it just seems so damn pompous to believe that other people are fucking see-through... (unless you've known them long enough to do so, and even then, i think it wise to keep in mind that you aren't them and could be wrong).

I have this friend. He travels all over the world but we get together once a year usually when he's back in town.

Anyways, we were going skiing (or something) and he made a little joke like he always does and in a car full of people I was the only one that laughed. And he said to me, "That's why I like you, because you get me." I also kind of realized then that despite all his travels and friends around the world, he was still pretty lonely.

Your post makes you just seem self-concious, if you don't mind me saying. I think it's pretty easy for people "to get" each other or see through someone else. People give off enough verbal and non-verbal signals that when combined with a decent intuition it's pretty easy to figure people out.

Just what I think though.

[Rhu]

That thread was like eating a can of cake frosting.

It's really sweet and comforting and all, but... is the indulgence good for me?

[CreativeChaos]

Well, it's because the INFP vocabulary is rather, how would I say, limited, which is why they end up expressing themselves mostly with words "cute", "silly", etc, and emoticons.

And "Hee!".


:rofl:

[ferunandesu]

I find it surprising how some of you can understand what an INFP is thinking before they do... Say that me and an INFP are trying to solve a problem... I'm thinking of one thing, and they're thinking of another... The thought processes that take them a long time to run through are usually the ones that come to me immediately, almost instinctively. Those thought processes, solutions (whatever) are the ones that I consider too obvious to vocalize, and I move on to something more complicated... So when the INFP finally does let you me know what he/she is thinking, I'm usually somewhat disgusted because I tend to expect more from them.

[Madrigal]

Hi all, the INFPs of the world have requested that I deliver this message to you:


:nerd: :wub: "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!" :nerd: :wub:

That's all I can say 'cause I gotta leave the office now.

[kwis]

I think reading that made me happy but I wont know for sure till I ask a infp.

[digesthisickness]

Your post makes you just seem self-concious, if you don't mind me saying.

oh i don't mind you saying it... because you didn't tell me that i'm self-conscious, you said i seem that way to you. there's a big difference, and that's what i was trying to point out.



I think it's pretty easy for people "to get" each other or see through someone else. People give off enough verbal and non-verbal signals that when combined with a decent intuition it's pretty easy to figure people out.

Just what I think though.

it is easy for people to get one another for the most part. it's when it's taken to the point that one person will argue with another that they know better (sometimes even going to far as to attributing this 'mystical power' to their type) than the other person how they feel/think that bothers me.

[distraction tactics]

I think reading that made me happy but I wont know for sure till I ask a infp.

And I would LOL at this if I knew for sure I found it funny.

[mgb]

I find it surprising how some of you can understand what an INFP is thinking before they do... Say that me and an INFP are trying to solve a problem... I'm thinking of one thing, and they're thinking of another... The thought processes that take them a long time to run through are usually the ones that come to me immediately, almost instinctively. Those thought processes, solutions (whatever) are the ones that I consider too obvious to vocalize, and I move on to something more complicated... So when the INFP finally does let you me know what he/she is thinking, I'm usually somewhat disgusted because I tend to expect more from them.

But you know they are trying to solve the problem right?

[mgb]

oh i don't mind you saying it... because you didn't tell me that i'm self-conscious, you said i seem that way to you. there's a big difference, and that's what i was trying to point out.




it is easy for people to get one another for the most part. it's when it's taken to the point that one person will argue with another that they know better than the other person how they feel/think that bothers me.

Sometimes they do though. I know my girlfriend can tell what I'm feeling, even when I don't recognize it. I think INFPs (in this case) will see feeling in stuff that maybe we didn't intend to put in something, but nonetheless is still there. They pick up on it and are able to extrapolate a great deal of information from it.

[ferunandesu]

But you know they are trying to solve the problem right?

as in, "hey, let's solve this problem!", or something like that...

and by the way, I like elfee... or I at least like her posts.

[CreativeChaos]

Sometimes they do though. I know my girlfriend can tell what I'm feeling, even when I don't recognize it. I think INFPs (in this case) will see feeling in stuff that maybe we didn't intend to put in something, but nonetheless is still there. They pick up on it and are able to extrapolate a great deal of information from it.

Right, it's like a feeling is worth a thousand thinks. Heh! j/k

[digesthisickness]

Sometimes they do though. I know my girlfriend can tell what I'm feeling, even when I don't recognize it. I think INFPs (in this case) will see feeling in stuff that maybe we didn't intend to put in something, but nonetheless is still there. They pick up on it and are able to extrapolate a great deal of information from it.

sure... i'll concede that sometimes they do. many times, i am capable of the same thing. and the more you know someone, the more you pay attention and care, the better you will be at it.

but i'm simply saying that it's bothersome to have someone tell you that you feel/think something, despite you're saying different.

edit: oh, and just so i'm clear... i'm not just limiting this to NFs... not at all. this is in response to what some NFs (AND other types) have said to me. :)

reading that link just reminded me of this.

[distraction tactics]

In related news, INFPs are the type most likely to ask, "what flashcard?" five minutes after you show them one and ask them to remember what was printed on it.

[CreativeChaos]

In related news, INFPs are the type most likely to ask, "what flashcard?" five minutes after you show them one and ask them to remember what was printed on it.

And if you don't show 20 flashcards per minute to an ISTP, they go jump out the window without a parachute, just for the thrill of it.

[Zephyrus055]

And if you don't show 20 flashcards per minute to an ISTP, they go jump out the window without a parachute, just for the thrill of it.
How high off from the ground is the window?

[CreativeChaos]

How high off from the ground is the window?

:rofl: As high as I want it. :devil:

[Conan]

In related news, INFPs are the type most likely to ask, "what flashcard?" five minutes after you show them one and ask them to remember what was printed on it.

Yup. My parents used to think I was absent minded. Then my INFP sister came around.

[phenol]

This is an all too cute thread on INFP Global. Just thought you'd like to see what is said about you when your back is turned. Hee! ;)

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

INFPs are one of my favorite types.

INTPs and INFPs are similar in some ways, like the tendency to be absent minded and disorganized. My SJ parents look at my sister's room and mine and cringe. It's hilarious. She's INFP.

Isn't it funny how my SJ parents had two NP offspring. Hmm...

[ferunandesu]

And if you don't show 20 flashcards per minute to an ISTP, they go jump out the window without a parachute, just for the thrill of it.

and the flashcards had better have naked women on them...

[Zephyrus055]

:rofl: As high as I want it. :devil:
But I mean that you didn't specify if the window was 5 feet off the ground or 50 feet off the ground. Makes a big difference, you know.

[CreativeChaos]

But I mean that you didn't specify if the window was 5 feet off the ground or 50 feet off the ground. Makes a big difference, you know.

Oh, Impy. :banghead: It was a joke. ISTPs are known for their thrill seeking. It matters not how tall the window is. The proverbial window was in my imagination. So, it's as high as I want to imagine. See? :)

[joft]

Read this thread, I think it explains their motivations and curiousities (partly) a lot better:

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1732

In some ways it seems like their couldn't be two more different types, and in others like we are practically the same.
Fucking hell, there were INFPs watching?! <_<

[mgb]

Fucking hell, there were INFPs watching?! <_<

And you were in your sweatpants. tsk tsk

[distraction tactics]

Oh, Impy. :banghead: It was a joke. ISTPs are known for their thrill seeking. It matters not how tall the window is. The proverbial window was in my imagination. So, it's as high as I want to imagine. See? :)

Well, I'm feeling rather ESTJ-ish today. I'd rather rebuke you for your joke than jump out that window.

[C.J.Woolf]

Don't worry; they think you're cute even in your sweatpants. Since we're transparent to them it doesn't matter what we wear. :banana:

But seriously, I'd rather be seen as cute than as arrogant and standoffish.

[Kilby]

i don't have a problem with nice people... and with that being said...

i cannot stand to have someone think they can "see right through me", or think they know what i'm thinking/feeling, and i really can't stand when someone takes it a step further by telling me what i think/feel...

and then there's the wonderful moments when i tell them they're wrong, just to hear them tell me that i'm 'in denial', 'afraid to admit the truth', 'don't even realize the truth', the smug 'it doesn't matter what you say...' or some other bullshit along those lines (the truth being what THEY think the truth is).

i have emotions. i do not fear having those emotions anymore than anyone else would. the problem that i have with them is giving in to reacting based upon them because that kind of impulsiveness can hurt others and/or myself, and once something is said or done, it can't be reversed (among other reasons).

it just seems so damn pompous to believe that other people are fucking see-through... (unless you've known them long enough to do so, and even then, i think it wise to keep in mind that you aren't them and could be wrong).

I couldn't agree more with this post.

[Zephyrus055]

I couldn't agree more with this post.
Welcome back!

[Kilby]

Thanks. It's good to be back. Like I said a long time ago, this place is like hotel california, check out but can't leave.

[jread]

My mom is an INFP and she's pretty goofy.... thinks bathroom humor is especially hilarious. She's the only one in my family who has ever understood me enough to discuss emotional issues with me, though.

[Melody]

yall really are cute ^_^

thas what i like about meself; i walk around vaguely and sporadically looking at different things in stores and states and countries; when certain events conspire i put on my broad sakkat and SLICE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/tocca/ena/swordscan.gif


dont say infp less intelligent; all types R less than me

[digesthisickness]

I couldn't agree more with this post.

happppy

[Kilby]

a fisherman...a flower...a lamp

[KuJo]

My INFP friend is going crazy right now. He punched a brick wall when he was at my house on saturday, after he sat in his car for 45 mins on the phone while everyone else was inside watching TV. he has no girlfriend, or really anyone i know of that would talk to him on the phone, which leads me to believe it was a psychiatrist. anyways, that was wierd. the next day i asked him why his hand was scratched up, and he said "i punched a wall", and i asked "why?" and he said he was mad. way to go expressing those emotions buddy.

[digesthisickness]

For me, it seems more like frustration than self-consciousness. Her main point involves explaining when others are wrong about her supposed feelings at any given moment, and their tendency to believe they have some deeper insight than she does even after she corrects them of their error. In other words, instead of accepting they are wrong, they place the blame on her, suggesting she is in denial or inadequate at determining her own feelings.

exactly


It seems unlikely she dislikes it when someone guesses correctly.

-Kai

thank you. i even proved that when i said, 'exactly' :) i enjoy the feeling of being understood just as much as anyone would.

[April]

My INFP friend is going crazy right now. He punched a brick wall when he was at my house on saturday, after he sat in his car for 45 mins on the phone while everyone else was inside watching TV. he has no girlfriend, or really anyone i know of that would talk to him on the phone, which leads me to believe it was a psychiatrist. anyways, that was wierd. the next day i asked him why his hand was scratched up, and he said "i punched a wall", and i asked "why?" and he said he was mad. way to go expressing those emotions buddy.

Yowch! Well, the way you talk about him... it seems like he doesn't really have anybody that he can talk to about his problems. Did you ask him why he was mad? Or why he stayed out in the car talking on the phone? I'm sure he would appreciate somebody showing concern...

Anyways, I can see how some INFPs would view you guys as "cute." Although, it's not the first word that comes to mind when start thinking of INTP descriptive terms. Sometimes I think you guys, and especially some members in particular, can be very endearing. Because INFPs have a very developed Fi, we can understand very quickly what we're feeling, why we're feeling that way, and how our feelings are affecting things in our lives. We can then change our feelings or perceptions of things to better ourselves and our situations (or at least I can!). When INTPs are having trouble in this area, I think it can be very "cute." It's not like I'm looking down on you for your difficulties in this area, though. Likewise, my Ti isn't as developed as yours, but I don't think that makes me any less of a worthwhile person. But I'm working on it. In fact, I come here to exercise my Ti!

Ultimately, I think INTPs and INFPs can learn a lot from each other.

Mgbradsh knows what he's talking about ;)

[Serotonin]

I <3 Melody

[April]

How cute of you to use the heart symbol, Serotonin. ;)

[Serotonin]

How cute of you to use the heart symbol, Serotonin. ;)

I only found out what it actually meant yesterday. For months I'm saying to myself, "What's all this 'less than three' crap?". Then I turned my head to the side.

[INThoughtPolice]

You think you know, but you have no idea.........

[INThoughtPolice]

Aren't we the 'chameleons'? That would explain those INFPs thinking they've figured us out.

[Jasz]

Aren't we the 'chameleons'? That would explain those INFPs thinking they've figured us out.

i think infp's can be much better 'chameleons' and match their surroundings, we might be able for a while but only while biting our tongues

[Jasz]

Are we so transparent? So much for being enigmas. &lt;_&lt;

i refuse to accept my transparency

[joft]

chameleons aren't weird enough. I'm an octopus. not only do I blend in, but if discovered, I shoot ink and zip away.

and I have tentacles

[Carebear]

i cannot stand to have someone think they can "see right through me", or think they know what i'm thinking/feeling, and i really can't stand when someone takes it a step further by telling me what i think/feel...

and then there's the wonderful moments when i tell them they're wrong, just to hear them tell me that i'm 'in denial', 'afraid to admit the truth', 'don't even realize the truth', the smug 'it doesn't matter what you say...' or some other bullshit along those lines (the truth being what THEY think the truth is).


I agree. However, the attitude you describe is not typical of INFPs at all. Very few INFPs actually believe they have the truth. We're just as self-doubting as you INTPs and keep secondguessing ourselves all the time.

I do find INTPs to be cute, especially when some of you guys ferverently tries to argue that some strongly helt belief is a logical one and the entire post oozes of feeling. It sometimes remindsme of small stubborn children who refuse to go to bed because "they're not tired at all" whilst it's apparent to everyone that they're acting very out of character because of lack of sleep.

However, cute only applies in such cases where the stubbornness makes you guys do anything, rational or not, to avoid being manipulated by anyone. Normally, awe, admiration, puzzlement and attraction better describes my relaion to INTPs. (And in a few cases pity, but seldom and rarely). You guys are brilliant, and especially those of you who actually ARE INTPs, (not borderline INTJs, INFPs, ENTPs etc etc.).

As for the question stated over: How are we INFPs able to use so many words and say so little? No clue, but I hate it, and it's another trait I admire in and try to learn from you guys. But as you see... I still have a long way to go.

[Hamro]

fucking infps.

[earwax]

I do find INTPs to be cute, especially when some of you guys ferverently tries to argue that some strongly helt belief is a logical one and the entire post oozes of feeling. It sometimes remindsme of small stubborn children who refuse to go to bed because "they're not tired at all" whilst it's apparent to everyone that they're acting very out of character because of lack of sleep.
Yeah, damn feelings.... They always show up at the worst times and make me do weird shit!

I hate it when that happens.

[C.J.Woolf]

How cute of you to use the heart symbol, Serotonin. ;)
You can de-cuteify (no, it's not a real verb; deal with it) the "<3" symbol by saying "My ass wears a hat for [x]." (I first read that in a post by meshou, for whom my ass wears a hat.)

[C.J.Woolf]

go now 2 ur ancestors imo
The "imo" was the touch that made me bust out laughing.

[Sackanaka]

chameleons aren't weird enough. I'm an octopus. not only do I blend in, but if discovered, I shoot ink and zip away.

and I have tentacles
I uhh, I gotta quote that.

[CreativeChaos]

You can de-cuteify (no, it's not a real verb; deal with it) the "<3" symbol by saying "My ass wears a hat for [x]." (I first read that in a post by meshou, for whom my ass wears a hat.)

I thought it meant "my balls are bigger than yours". :whistle: :blush:

[digesthisickness]

I agree. However, the attitude you describe is not typical of INFPs at all. Very few INFPs actually believe they have the truth. We're just as self-doubting as you INTPs and keep secondguessing ourselves all the time........

good grief... i'll make this short and sweet so that hopefully i'm not misconstrued.

i wrote the following quote in a previous post on this thread...


edit: oh, and just so i'm clear... i'm not just limiting this to NFs... not at all. this is in response to what some NFs (AND other types) have said to me.

reading that link just reminded me of this.

...in the hope that doing so would make it clear that i was only expressing a thought that just happened to come to mind because of some things i read on that link.

i could have read this...


I just find them adorable and can see right through them-- the same way I can see right through everyone else, y'know? Seeing the feelings even if they hide them shouldn't be a problem for the super!INFP (such as myself, clearly), hehehe.

...on any forum or any site on the internet, and it still would have reminded me of the things that i posted here.

however, as it turned out, it just happened to be an infp forum and an infp who said it.

PS. and elfee, if you ever read this... this is in no way directed towards you personally. i don't even know you. you just happened to say some things that sparked a thought... that's all.

[Carebear]

good grief... i'll make this short and sweet so that hopefully i'm not misconstrued.


Good grief, ok, sure.



i wrote the following quote in a previous post on this thread...


Yep, you certainly did.



...in the hope that doing so would make it clear that i was only expressing a thought that just happened to come to mind because of some things i read on that link.


Yep, you did make that clear.



i could have read this...
...on any forum or any site on the internet, and it still would have reminded me of the things that i posted here.


Sounds likely indeed.



however, as it turned out, it just happened to be an infp forum and an infp who said it.


Indeed, that was an INFP forum, apparantly for globalchatters.



PS. and elfee, if you ever read this... this is in no way directed towards you personally. i don't even know you. you just happened to say some things that sparked a thought... that's all.

Not sure how anyone can be offended by what you're writing. You're stating stuff that most INFPs would totally agree with. So why does it seem like you're believing elfee or I would be personally offended?

[Carebear]

fucking infps.

On a regular basis?

[sbw]

But seriously, I'd rather be seen as cute than as arrogant and standoffish.

depends. there are situations where each would be helpful.

Scott

[sbw]

I only found out what it actually meant yesterday. For months I'm saying to myself, "What's all this 'less than three' crap?". Then I turned my head to the side.

this happened to me too...

Scott

[sbw]

As for the question stated over: How are we INFPs able to use so many words and say so little? No clue, but I hate it, and it's another trait I admire in and try to learn from you guys. But as you see... I still have a long way to go.

I don't know very many INFP's IRL, so I was only referring to the thread from the other site. I was reading elfee's posts, just waiting for a coherent thought, or a thesis explaining what her point was, just desperately reaching for some reason to continue reading...which I didnt find.

Scott

[Carebear]

Well, it's not just the thread, it's the entire forum. INFPs use to many words. They are coherent however, if you just tune in to the language, but normally it takes me to long to really bother, and if I occasionally do, I find that what the other person is trying to say is something I already know. (but which I would use just as many words trying to articulate). So I hang out here more. Differences are more fun.

[Carebear]

I've been following the conversation in the link provided and it would appear that Elfee is offended. She seems to be trying hard not take it personally however. Either way, it is unfortunate. Many of the comments here are jokes and it doesn't seem like she took them as such.

Adding the disclaimer was prudent.

-Kai

Nah, she's not offended. But whenever an INFP gets dragged in from an observing position to being a participant, you'll see Fi kicking in bigtime, a trait most INFPs hate, but seem unable to control. We want to observe. Elfee even admits as much herself. Not offended, merely having trouble not getting too feely (there is a difference).

[CreativeChaos]

Nah, she's not offended. But whenever an INFP gets dragged in from an observing position to being a participant, you'll see Fi kicking in bigtime, a trait most INFPs hate, but seem unable to control. We want to observe. Elfee even admits as much herself. Not offended, merely having trouble not getting too feely (there is a difference).

Yeah. Offended is not a feeling that INFPs get, really. Hurt, maybe. Maybe she got her feelings hurt because she was felt misunderstood. We hate having our VERRRYYYYYY good intentions taken the wrong way. Tell us we are stupid, and so what? Tell us we are being rude and patronizing and in some other way unkind and then you hit our most cherished valued. INFPs are RARELY unkind. We hold kindness and benevolence at the highest of values.

She had nothing but goodness in her heart when she wrote what she did. She was complimenting you guys. There is also an unspoken rule amoung INFPs that you do not say bad things about people, even behind their back. And you see, even behind your backs she, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO POSTED wouldn't dream of flaming you. Just an INFP thang.

[mgb]

I can see why in the Keirsey description of INFPs he says they often go to dark places (or something like that). I imagine they are often misunderstood.

Which is really funny because half of this entire forum is about INTPs complaining about feeling misunderstood by the world around them, but don't have the empathy to understand that they aren't the only ones and (judging from this thread) are fairly quick to point the same finger that gets pointed at them.

[Carebear]

Being misunderstood or not having read the game the right way and thus appearing stupid/inconsiderate is one of the worst things an INFP experiences. And one of the more frequent ones. So we try not to get directly involved.

INFPs ave very similar to INTPs in very many ways (especially the ones with weak F/T preferences obviously). We don't speak NT and we sometimes loose our aloofness, but often we are just as outcast from this world, feeling just as misunderstood and get just as disillutioned and nihilistic. And we can be jsut as stubborn.

But I guess we are a bit more aware of our own feelings and the feelings of others, making us a bit more compliant with the rules of society (question authority, then do as it says). And we go to dark places. (But so do INTPs I believe.)

[mgb]

But I guess we are a bit more aware of our own feelings and the feelings of others, making us a bit more compliant with the rules of society (question authority, then do as it says). And we go to dark places. (But so do INTPs I believe.)

I think we get hurt, but not like you guys do.

I think my darkest place ends up being just plotting revenge, then forgetting about it and moving on with life. Really just taking the Fe out for a little walk once in a while. I have a feeling it goes a lot deeper with INFPs.

[CreativeChaos]

I think we get hurt, but not like you guys do.

I think my darkest place ends up being just plotting revenge, then forgetting about it and moving on with life. Really just taking the Fe out for a little walk once in a while. I have a feeling it goes a lot deeper with INFPs.

Well, I personally, and I believe this is probably true of other INFPs, have gotten my feelings hurt easily. That ends up with me weeping and even wailing out loud for hours. The hurt can linger for days, even weeks, depending. It's like a sharp pain. I have never plotted revenge. But I have gotten nihilistic. Done stupid things, that were rather self-destructive during those times. Thankfully, I never go into serious trouble. As in getting myself hurt, physically.

[C.J.Woolf]

CC, I think plotting revenge (externalizing the hurt) is healthier then internalizing the hurt as you describe.

[CreativeChaos]

CC, I think plotting revenge (externalizing the hurt) is healthier then internalizing the hurt as you describe.

Yeah, I would agree. But INFPs internalize it. We tend to personalize everthing. Not healthy. Yes. We need a good Te desperately, just as INTPs need a good Fe desperately.

[Carebear]

Internalizing is the worst possible course of action, but one many INFP males like me follow, since we're trained not to cry in public etc. Introverted Feeling is a bitch, but I personally have trouble axepting the Fe outbursts, since those both make me more vulnerable and besides: If I get hurt, it's my problem and I shouldn't bother other people with it. I have however gotten better over the years, and I have a limit which if pushed beyond, I'm Chuck Norris on a rampage. (Because of course it bottles up until the dam bursts.)

Also plotting cruel revenges including social asassination or putting a shovel to someone's face (then forgetting all about it and moving on) sounds familiar. I'm yin and yang, good and evil. Carebear and Hellhound. (But you'll have to dig deep to find the dark side.)

[CreativeChaos]

Internalizing is the worst possible course of action, but one many INFP males like me follow, since we're trained not to cry in public etc. Introverted Feeling is a bitch, but I personally have trouble axepting the Fe outbursts, since those both make me more vulnerable and besides: If I get hurt, it's my problem and I shouldn't bother other people with it. I have however gotten better over the years, and I have a limit which if pushed beyond, I'm Chuck Norris on a rampage. (Because of course it bottles up until the dam bursts.)

Also plotting cruel revenges including social asassination or putting a shovel to someone's face (then forgetting all about it and moving on) sounds familiar. I'm yin and yang, good and evil.

It's not just INFP males, Carebear. Even though, I as a female, am aloud to cry, I don't show it publically. It would be embarressing. I DO cry though. I cry LOUD and long. It would drive most people up the wall. I don't know how many years of my life I have taken up weeping and wailing by myself in the dark.(Often over little things) I Do go into a dark place, alone, to do this. And feel it is my problem, and I shouldn't bother other people with it. I also hate Fe outbursts. They are usually "not me" and never productive. Frequently enraged outbursts. Which drive people away from me.

But... as you say, I have gotten much better over the years.

[April]

Hmm... I can't say that I ever get hurt and want to cry in public. Actually, I only cry about once a month. I don't know if most INFPs cry more. The times that I have wanted to cry in public was when I was empathizing with somebody. For example, we watched a video in Abnormal Psychology. The woman in it started sobbing and talking about how she really wanted to die. I had to start staring at the floor and concentrating on something else. My throat got extremely sore (something that happens when I'm holding in tears for some reason). After class I said to people, "Wow, that was a really tough video to watch." They seemed very indifferent.

Internalizing all emotions can be quite detrimental to our mental health. For example, I didn't have the best childhood. I always seemed to take everything personally. I thought everything that went badly was my fault somehow. Now that I'm older, I realize how angry I am at my father and mother. For most of my life, I've made up excuses for the way they acted. It's almost like I've been TOO understanding. "Well they're unhealthy people, they know not what they do..." But I don't know what to do with the anger now because I always just internalize everything. It's an uncomfortable feeling. How do you guys deal with anger?

[Serotonin]

Internalizing all emotions can be quite detrimental to our mental health. For example, I didn't have the best childhood. I always seemed to take everything personally. I thought everything that went badly was my fault somehow. Now that I'm older, I realize how angry I am at my father and mother. For most of my life, I've made up excuses for the way they acted. It's almost like I've been TOO understanding. "Well they're unhealthy people, they know not what they do..." But I don't know what to do with the anger now because I always just internalize everything. It's an uncomfortable feeling. How do you guys deal with anger?


I can relate to this. Although my anger at my mother and father is limited, it has more to do with my peers. Been talking with my shrink lately about repressed anger. Anger in itself was a taboo, in my parents' eyes, when I expressed it when I was growing up. I remember being too deferential and accomodating to classmates who would just use it as an excuse to pour more derision on me. It's only now that I realise it's legit to be angry at people, and deny them you're time.

However, there is a real "moral" dimension to my anger, and I only express it when a principle has been violated.

[Aaron Brown]

fucking infps.
Oh don't hate them. I've met a few INFPs. I like them. They're usually quite nice people even through they don't always think precisely and tend to be poor arguers. They are very perceptive and often very funny. I really do like when INFPs tell jokes. They are often one of the few personalites that get my jokes. I work with an ISTP who manages screws up all my jokes.

[CreativeChaos]

I can relate to this. Although my anger at my mother and father is limited, it has more to do with my peers. Been talking with my shrink lately about repressed anger. Anger in itself was a taboo, in my parents' eyes, when I expressed it when I was growing up. I remember being too deferential and accomodating to classmates who would just use it as an excuse to pour more derision on me. It's only now that I realise it's legit to be angry at people, and deny them you're time.

However, there is a real "moral" dimension to my anger, and I only express it when a principle has been violated.

Gee! That sounds quite INFP, actually. Only thing is I would trade the word "value" for "principle". We two types do have a lot in common.

[Serotonin]

Gee! That sounds quite INFP, actually. Only thing is I would trade the word "value" for "principle". We two types do have a lot in common.

I'm borderline T/F.

[CreativeChaos]

Oh don't hate them. I've met a few INFPs. I like them. They're usually quite nice people even through they don't always think precisely and tend to be poor arguers. They are very perceptive and often very funny. I really do like when INFPs tell jokes. They are often one of the few personalites that get my jokes. I work with an ISTP who manages screws up all my jokes.

Yeah, there is this obvious older INTP guy in one of my discussion groups. I agree with him with just about everything he has to say. But he has a delightful sense of humor. It's more dry and sarcastic, but he's hilarious. (as many of you are here, I crack up a lot reading your stuff). But anyway, the two senses of humor, INFP/INTP seem to complement each other. Between the two of us, we have the group laughing a lot. Lol!

[Sight-Ascended]

yes, in my rescent quest, its become apearent to me how slight the difference is between the INTP and INFP is. the resultant beahioral differences becasue of the slight shift is interesting, but not profound.

[shum]

Yeah, but does this board really get that wound up, or is it just because we're bored and like disturbing shit for its own sake? I mean, I posted in your thread about 'how would you run INTPC?' and even got into a little debate with cz and Claverhouse about it... but do I actually care? Was there any emotional investment into it?

I'd be surprised if half the crap we argue about on this board is stuff we actually care about. So to have an INFP patronize us on it is like a 5 year old patronizing an adult for not believing in faeries.

uhmm...are you saying that faeries arent real?

:horror:

[Carebear]

:horror:

[Hustler]

I think my emotions must be getting the better of me (an INFP would be able to tell me for sure). I feel like I should post something incredibly rude, insensitive and inflammatory about INFPs and especially their forum but, for some reason, I just can't find that spark of hate within me to do it. Maybe it is that all of the INFPs I've met IRL are cool++. But, then, nearly all of the INFPs I know only as virtual persons online are so deserving of spite and insult...I'm torn.

I need an INFP to help me sort this all out.

[joft]

What is thy bidding, my master?

[Hustler]

What is thy bidding, my master?

You don't count. At best, you're an INxP.

[Snowflake]

pfft, you're such an esfj

[joft]

But... look at all these smileys!

:puppy: :rant: :boohoo: :wub: :yay: :hug: :sorry: :saiyan: :banana:

[Hustler]

But... look at all these smileys!

:puppy: :rant: :boohoo: :wub: :yay: :hug: :sorry: :saiyan: :banana:

You present a compelling argument. I will have to consider if you have what it takes to explain the turmoil I'm experiencing thanks to this thread.

[Biff_Loman]

My closest friends IRL have all been INFPs. The best man at my wedding is an INTP, but seriously, are you ever really close to an INTP? I wouldn't even know what that would look like.

[CreativeChaos]

I think my emotions must be getting the better of me (an INFP would be able to tell me for sure). I feel like I should post something incredibly rude, insensitive and inflammatory about INFPs and especially their forum but, for some reason, I just can't find that spark of hate within me to do it. Maybe it is that all of the INFPs I've met IRL are cool++. But, then, nearly all of the INFPs I know only as virtual persons online are so deserving of spite and insult...I'm torn.

I need an INFP to help me sort this all out.

Well, I'm 100% INFP, and I say it's because you can't "feel" the feeling and tenderness that we all have online. We ARE cool IRL. But online, you can't see most of what we are, because it is feeling. And if we post wubbies you can't stand that.

All you see is our weakest function, Te, and that, yes is worthy of correction. So, unless you are willing to tolerate the wubby language that you see on INFPGlobal, you miss the boat of us INFPs online. Feeling just can't be put into a post. :(

[Pooja]

Sometimes it feels like INFPs just talk in a different language (IRL, especially). I love them, but sometimes just don't know how to respond to their questions.
Being asked about how I'm feeling is (to me) the equivelent of being asked a detailed, random question on some random person in Yakutsk (a country I only know from playing "RISK"), of whom I know nothing about or have met before.

The only way I could possibly answer a "what are you feeling" question, is to intellecualize the situation and think "based on the situation, what do they probably expect me to say...", and then just say that.

But I can tell you, through the most subtle clues, what everybody else is feeling. But when it comes to myself, I have no idea.

Sometimes, people tell me "oh, you must be feeling stressed out"... and this surprises me, b/c I'm not aware of feeling anything. The only way I can possibly know that I'm stressed out, is if I'm jittery, have trouble sleeping, get a cold/flu, or a loss in apetite.

[mgb]

Yakutsk is a town in Russia known for it's high temperature gradient. Just saying.

[Snowflake]

But I can tell you, through the most subtle clues, what everybody else is feeling. But when it comes to myself, I have no idea.

Sometimes, people tell me "oh, you must be feeling stressed out"... and this surprises me, b/c I'm not aware of feeling anything. The only way I can possibly know that I'm stressed out, is if I'm jittery, have trouble sleeping, get a cold/flu, or a loss in apetite.

True, it's the most fucked up thing.

[Pooja]

Yakutsk is a town in Russia known for it's high temperature gradient. Just saying.

Oh- sorry. On "RISK" the boardgame (and computer game), it appears as a country.

[Jasz]

Oh- sorry. On "RISK" the boardgame (and computer game), it appears as a country.

if you have yakutsk, you have to get kamchatka as well so you can push through to alaska and take hold of a powerful corridor

naturally i would push then for australia, securing resources and building up SE Asia

from thereon to middle east and on your way to victory!

[CreativeChaos]

if you have yakutsk, you have to get kamchatka as well so you can push through to alaska and take hold of a powerful corridor

naturally i would push then for australia, securing resources and building up SE Asia

from thereon to middle east and on your way to victory!


AHHHHHH!!!!!! STOP! STOP! STOP!:shock: No more RISK!

We are talking about INFPs and INTPs!!!!! HELP!!!!:banghead: :banghead:

:offtopic:

[Pooja]

or, you can go through China, take Japan, and use it to take over Hawaii. ;) Then you'd have an easier time getting into South America, which would lead you into Africa. And then victory is yours!

[mr. treat]

if you have yakutsk, you have to get kamchatka as well so you can push through to alaska and take hold of a powerful corridor

naturally i would push then for australia, securing resources and building up SE Asia

from thereon to middle east and on your way to victory!

:rofl:

so true, though.

[CreativeChaos]

or, you can go through China, take Japan, and use it to take over Hawaii. ;)


NOOOOOoooOOOOOO!!!!! INFPs are predominant in Japan, did you guys know that? And I's in general are more accepted in Asia. China, Japan....you know?:banghead:

[Snowflake]

Not surprising, considered they are only forced to be that way.

[mr. treat]

or, you can go through China, take Japan, and use it to take over Hawaii. ;) Then you'd have an easier time getting into South America, which would lead you into Africa. And then victory is yours!

i don't know what risk board you've been using, but i've never seen that type of setup. unless you're making some cleverly disguised reference to pearl harbor.

[CreativeChaos]

:rofl:

so true, though.

What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!

[mr. treat]

What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!

it's funny, because it came out of nowhere. also, your reaction is funny, too.

[Jasz]

What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!

to bring it back: i eat both my brother INFP and my dad INFP alive with any game of risk

that said, my ESFJ wife wipes the floor with me ....

[Pooja]

i don't know what risk board you've been using, but i've never seen that type of setup. unless you're making some cleverly disguised reference to pearl harbor.

the new version boardgame, as well as the computer game (if you change the default options) give you extra "bridges" into other terrotories.

Another difference between INFPs and INTPs: appreciation of "RISK"... my "F" sister/friends hate it (they also stink at it, haha). For me, it's an endless source of amusement

(well, almost endless. After you win for awhile and the euphoria wears off, you think "hey, I just conquered the world and didn't really "get" anything. What was the point?)

[mgb]

I've always been a fan of starting out with South America. Sure, you have to defend on two fronts, but the person in Western Africa is usually willing to setup an official detente while the two of you build up your militaries as they are just as worried about attacks from The Middle East and Europe. While that's happening, North America is spread so thin that it becomes pretty easy game.

[CreativeChaos]

to bring it back: i eat both my brother INFP and my dad INFP alive with any game of risk

that said, my ESFJ wife wipes the floor with me ....

Yeah? So what! I HATE Risk! It's a stupid, stupid game. I always lose!!! :banghead:

[earwax]

What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!
At least we're cute and fun to have around. :wub:

[Jasz]

Yeah? So what! I HATE Risk! It's a stupid, stupid game. I always lose!!! :banghead:

ah, now you show your hand - what if you won?

[mr. treat]

the new version boardgame, as well as the computer game (if you change the default options) give you extra "bridges" into other terrotories.

kids these days, no idea how easy they have it. give me a classic board any day.

personally, i always liked north america. 5 armies per turn, not too bad. plus south america is a pushover.

[CreativeChaos]

I've always been a fan of starting out with South America. Sure, you have to defend on two fronts, but the person in Western Africa is usually willing to setup an official detente while the two of you build up your militaries as they are just as worried about attacks from The Middle East and Europe. While that's happening, North America is spread so thin that it becomes pretty easy game.


NOOOOoooooOOOO!!!! ACKKKKK!!!!!:cry: :boohoo: :boohoo: :offtopic: :mad: 8O

You're ruining this thread!!!!! AHHH!!!:moo:

Here have some huggies.:wub: :hug: :cheers: :smooch: :smooch:

[CreativeChaos]

At least we're cute and fun to have around. :wub:

Yes, that you are. :wub:

[CreativeChaos]

ah, now you show your hand - what if you won?

:D Well, then... But I don't!!!:boohoo:

[Jasz]

I've always been a fan of starting out with South America. Sure, you have to defend on two fronts, but the person in Western Africa is usually willing to setup an official detente while the two of you build up your militaries as they are just as worried about attacks from The Middle East and Europe. While that's happening, North America is spread so thin that it becomes pretty easy game.

i always get biten in the ass by that entente when the africans mop up my south american base

[Jasz]

:D Well, then... But I don't!!!:boohoo:

if you pay close attention to the posts on risk here, you might pick up your game

*takes cc by the hand thoughtfully - now dedicated to improve her risk skills*

[CreativeChaos]

if you pay close attention to the posts on risk here, you might pick up your game

*takes cc by the hand thoughtfully - now dedicated to improve her risk skills*

Well, I think taking over that little bitty country is the first best move. :D

[Sight-Ascended]

why are we talking about Risk in here again?

[Jasz]

why are we talking about Risk in here again?

you have a typo in your sig

[CreativeChaos]

you have a typo in your sig

Yeah! :rant:

[mr. treat]

if only there was an emoticon of a derailing train

[Pooja]

I swear, this is my last "RISK" post, but I have to say this for CC's sake... My secret, is to first conquer Australia. Nobody else is ever too interested in it, so it's an easy and quick move. Put ALL of your people in that continent, with 95% of them in New Guinea (or whatever country borders Asia). Then, you get to collect 3 extra people with each turn (your reward for conquering a whole continent). Then, accumulate a vast army while people in asia weaken themselves with their own battles. Once you see that they're weak, slowly conquer asia. Then, you'll have a total of 10 extra reinforcements with the start of each turn. Then, go on to take over either N. America, Africa, or Europe, depending on whichever one is the weakest. This is a sure-fire way to win.

[mgb]

Well, I think taking over that little bitty country is the first best move. :D

Iceland? Unless you have North America or Europe, it's suicide. But if you do, it could be the key to the whole game.

[Jasz]

*hopes cc is not looking*

pooja: this doesn't always work, first of all, australia is only 2 armies not 3 and before you can get asia, someone can get africa/ europe or n america which all get you more than 2 armies each turn (3/ 5/ 5 resp) - you can get killed trying to get asia - safer is to go from australia to africa/ europe or n america and only protect the asian corridor needed to link the areas (this saves you precious armies needed in faraway battles)

[CreativeChaos]

Iceland? Unless you have North America or Europe, it's suicide. But if you do, it could be the key to the whole game.

Exactly. And it can be easy to take over, and then you get bakootles of armies. :D

:shock: OMG! I just realized you guys have sucked me into your little game!

ACKKKK!!!!! THREAD HIJACK!!!!!!:rant:

INFPs and INTPs!!!! NO RISK!!!! :banghead: NO RISK!!:banghead: NO RISK!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[CreativeChaos]

*hopes cc is not looking*

pooja: this doesn't always work, first of all, australia is only 2 armies not 3 and before you can get asia, someone can get africa/ europe or n america which all get you more than 2 armies each turn (3/ 5/ 5 resp) - you can get killed trying to get asia - safer is to go from australia to africa/ europe or n america and only protect the asian corridor needed to link the areas (this saves you precious armies needed in faraway battles)

uhh...did that actually make any sense? :think:

[Umbrosia]

Standard Risk theory suggests huge advantages in controlling either australia or south america, since they have the least amount of choke points. However, since this is almost the universal strategy, in a full game of six players it becomes a weakness to control these continents since they are considered the prime real estate to begin world conquest.

The finer point to keep in mind is the rhythm of the Risk cards, which control the pace of the game. I imagine NTP's can easily lose sight of the fact that you are not trying to design and operate a kingdom that will last forever, rather that the point of the game is to end the game by conquering the world. The best strategy in Risk (six player game) is to stockpile a huge force in a single country and run the table on turn five, conquering each opponant individually, amassing their cards and allowing you to steam roll them. This is where their consolidation in single continents works against them and you'll be able to plot a clear path to world conquest.

[Ivy]

What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!

I found it hilarious, actually. :)

[CreativeChaos]

I found it hilarious, actually. :)

:shock: Uh...maybe I'll go back and actually read it. Lol.

[CreativeChaos]

if you have yakutsk, you have to get kamchatka as well so you can push through to alaska and take hold of a powerful corridor

naturally i would push then for australia, securing resources and building up SE Asia

from thereon to middle east and on your way to victory!


:banghead: :blink: :think: :wtf:

[Jasz]

INFP -->
<-- INTP

[Snowflake]

C'mon, I don't like the notion that anyone can see through me, that kinda freaks me out and seems a bit arrogant.

[abathur]

I use emoticons all the time :/

It may be because people have a tendency to take me as far more malicious than I ever intend to be, so I soften my writing with them.

I mean, check out what one little smilie is capable of:

I fucking hate you.

I fucking hate you :p

A smilie is like the step between words and pictures. Not quite worth a thousand words, but it's worth more than one!

[Ivy]

:shock: Uh...maybe I'll go back and actually read it. Lol.

No need. It really was all total hardcore Risk strategy. I find the INTP tendency to derail conversations such as these (you know, about feelings 'n' shit) with stuff like gaming strategy adorable, and thus at times funny. :) The number of times I've had a conversation about people in our families segued into a discussion of D&D alignments borders on the surreal. If I didn't enjoy it, my marriage would be in heap'm big trouble. :)

[AllThingsConsidered]

Okay I asked my INFP friend IRL what she thought of me and here it is. Her response in red. I removed names.

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Okay when you get a chance I'd like to know what you think of this INFP viewpoint on INTPs.

Am I cute and silly and such? You are a cute, silly, giggle machine.
What is it that (Edit) calls me? An insensitive Blank??? Can't recall. Damn I wish I cared more.

I expect you to be honest. I know I am not that insensitive with you (Or am I?), but I don't think I change who I am for other people. You just don't piss me off because you are so considerate and understanding. I really think I give everyone a fair chance. Telling you what is on my mind never seems to offend you like it does with others.

Honestly, I don't think I am that insensitive. I am always trying to consider what is going on with the people I actually care about. What is it, do you think, that would make someone really think I am that way?


Thanks


i will read it. oh you are not that insensitive you insensitive bitch jkjkjkjk well you could of just told me on the im you silly little sally. well talk to you in a min.
I looked at the message board like you have requested i think a lot of it does describe you. The part about relationships how it would be hard to be in a romantic relationship from what you have with you and (Edit) that seems to be right on. But it also seems that you are not that interested in (Edit) to begin with so there for having romance in the relationship would be hard. Overall i do not think you are insensitive like i said before i do think that you can be insensitive to other people and their problems but i definitely would not get that impression from knowing you. That is not a bad thing to be insensitive sometimes. Everyone i think at one point can be insensitive so i would try and not take offense to it and i am sure that is hard especially hard hearing that from (Edit).

Well talk to you soon
(Edit)

I really don't understand her answer. However, I do think it's nice that she would think I am offended by being called insensitive, and tried to spare my feelings. Ha. I just wanted her viewpoint.

[mgb]

Okay I asked my INFP friend IRL what she thought of me and here it is. Her response in red. I removed names.

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Okay when you get a chance I'd like to know what you think of this INFP viewpoint on INTPs.

Am I cute and silly and such? You are a cute, silly, giggle machine.
What is it that (Edit) calls me? An insensitive Blank??? Can't recall. Damn I wish I cared more.

I expect you to be honest. I know I am not that insensitive with you (Or am I?), but I don't think I change who I am for other people. You just don't piss me off because you are so considerate and understanding. I really think I give everyone a fair chance. Telling you what is on my mind never seems to offend you like it does with others.

Honestly, I don't think I am that insensitive. I am always trying to consider what is going on with the people I actually care about. What is it, do you think, that would make someone really think I am that way?


Thanks


i will read it. oh you are not that insensitive you insensitive bitch jkjkjkjk well you could of just told me on the im you silly little sally. well talk to you in a min.
I looked at the message board like you have requested i think a lot of it does describe you. The part about relationships how it would be hard to be in a romantic relationship from what you have with you and (Edit) that seems to be right on. But it also seems that you are not that interested in (Edit) to begin with so there for having romance in the relationship would be hard. Overall i do not think you are insensitive like i said before i do think that you can be insensitive to other people and their problems but i definitely would not get that impression from knowing you. That is not a bad thing to be insensitive sometimes. Everyone i think at one point can be insensitive so i would try and not take offense to it and i am sure that is hard especially hard hearing that from (Edit).

Well talk to you soon
(Edit)

I really don't understand her answer. However, I do think it's nice that she would think I am offended by being called insensitive, and tried to spare my feelings. Ha. I just wanted her viewpoint.


But what's your strategy for Risk?

just kidding.

[CreativeChaos]

I use emoticons all the time :/

It may be because people have a tendency to take me as far more malicious than I ever intend to be, so I soften my writing with them.

I mean, check out what one little smilie is capable of:

I fucking hate you.

I fucking hate you :p

A smilie is like the step between words and pictures. Not quite worth a thousand words, but it's worth more than one!

Duh!B) You see, a statement like that is just SO obvious to an INFP, it's really not worth saying. It's like saying the earth revolves around the sun.
Duh! &lt;_&lt;

:) Peace.

[CreativeChaos]

No need. It really was all total hardcore Risk strategy. I find the INTP tendency to derail conversations such as these (you know, about feelings 'n' shit) with stuff like gaming strategy adorable, and thus at times funny. :) The number of times I've had a conversation about people in our families segued into a discussion of D&D alignments borders on the surreal. If I didn't enjoy it, my marriage would be in heap'm big trouble. :)

Oh now I see! Yeah! That's totally funny! :D

[Melody]

i start in peru or antarctica, then float on hazes of marijuana or chunks of ice into other countries

i wonder if anyone has tried to make marijuana lollipops

[CreativeChaos]

i start in peru or antarctica, then float on hazes of marijuana or chunks of ice into other countries

i wonder if anyone has tried to make marijuana lollipops

You don't have to smoke the stuff to get high? You can just eat it?

[Ivy]

You don't have to smoke the stuff to get high? You can just eat it?

Think of the brownies!

[KuJo]

Yowch! Well, the way you talk about him... it seems like he doesn't really have anybody that he can talk to about his problems. Did you ask him why he was mad? Or why he stayed out in the car talking on the phone? I'm sure he would appreciate somebody showing concern...


He is ridiculously hard to talk to. Harder to talk to than any INTP ive ever come across. And i didnt ask why he was mad because after his insanely timid way of saying "i was mad" i just stopped. at that point i was thinking "i dont know if he wants help, or is just crazy."

[CreativeChaos]

Okay I asked my INFP friend IRL what she thought of me and here it is. Her response in red. I removed names.

http://infp.globalchatter.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Okay when you get a chance I'd like to know what you think of this INFP viewpoint on INTPs.

Am I cute and silly and such? You are a cute, silly, giggle machine.
What is it that (Edit) calls me? An insensitive Blank??? Can't recall. Damn I wish I cared more.

I expect you to be honest. I know I am not that insensitive with you (Or am I?), but I don't think I change who I am for other people. You just don't piss me off because you are so considerate and understanding. I really think I give everyone a fair chance. Telling you what is on my mind never seems to offend you like it does with others.

Honestly, I don't think I am that insensitive. I am always trying to consider what is going on with the people I actually care about. What is it, do you think, that would make someone really think I am that way?


Thanks


i will read it. oh you are not that insensitive you insensitive bitch jkjkjkjk well you could of just told me on the im you silly little sally. well talk to you in a min.
I looked at the message board like you have requested i think a lot of it does describe you. The part about relationships how it would be hard to be in a romantic relationship from what you have with you and (Edit) that seems to be right on. But it also seems that you are not that interested in (Edit) to begin with so there for having romance in the relationship would be hard. Overall i do not think you are insensitive like i said before i do think that you can be insensitive to other people and their problems but i definitely would not get that impression from knowing you. That is not a bad thing to be insensitive sometimes. Everyone i think at one point can be insensitive so i would try and not take offense to it and i am sure that is hard especially hard hearing that from (Edit).

Well talk to you soon
(Edit)

I really don't understand her answer. However, I do think it's nice that she would think I am offended by being called insensitive, and tried to spare my feelings. Ha. I just wanted her viewpoint.

She seems to be responding to your message and not to what was written on the board. And yeah, being called insensitive would be an insult to an INFP. Heh!

[earwax]

You don't have to smoke the stuff to get high? You can just eat it?
Well yeah, the secret ingredient in many a brownie recipe. :banana:

[distraction tactics]

She seems to be responding to your message and not to what was written on the board. And yeah, being called insensitive would be an insult to an INFP. Heh!

Re: flashcards.

[whynotcoconut]

I think my emotions must be getting the better of me (an INFP would be able to tell me for sure). I feel like I should post something incredibly rude, insensitive and inflammatory about INFPs and especially their forum but, for some reason, I just can't find that spark of hate within me to do it. Maybe it is that all of the INFPs I've met IRL are cool++. But, then, nearly all of the INFPs I know only as virtual persons online are so deserving of spite and insult...I'm torn.

I need an INFP to help me sort this all out.

Dear Hustler,

I surely feel for you. You have all my sympathy although, I am quite sure, that you don't give a fig about sympathy. What you are experiencing is a classic example of a moral dilemma-- a phenomenological one, the one that appeals to the emotions. Let's pretend that you write something incredibly insulting about INFPs. Since you claim that you know some really cool++ INFPs IRL, it will be most likely that you will feel guilt, or at least discomfort, for saying something rude about INFPs. Yet, if you don't say anything about how much you think INFPs suck in the virtual world, you will also feel discomfort for not having been consistent to your I-despise-y'all repertoire. Since no matter what you do you will end up feeling discomfort or guilt, then no matter what you end up doing will be wrong.

Again, I sympathize.

Best of luck,
Coconut, an INFP

[April]

If you know Hustler and his posts, then his post about INFPs shouldn't phase you. I mean, a half-compliment was included in his post. That's too much positivity for Hustler. The world is not at equilibrium anymore. Hustler, I would help, but I think deep down you know what must be done. The world needs more of your insults to restore the natural balance of the universe.

The whole flashcards thing made me laugh. It reminds me of when I was walking with my friends and they kept talking about some bike. I let them go on about the bike for a few minutes until I just had to ask, "What bike?" They said, "April, look around you." Of course there were several posters surrounding me about a missing bike and how the guy was offering a lot of money for it. That's when they all laughed at my lack of Se. :puppy:

[Hustler]

Dear Hustler,

I surely feel for you. You have all my sympathy although, I am quite sure, that you don't give a fig about sympathy. What you are experiencing is a classic example of a moral dilemma-- a phenomenological one, the one that appeals to the emotions. Let's pretend that you write something incredibly insulting about INFPs. Since you claim that you know some really cool++ INFPs IRL, it will be most likely that you will feel guilt, or at least discomfort, for saying something rude about INFPs. Yet, if you don't say anything about how much you think INFPs suck in the virtual world, you will also feel discomfort for not having been consistent to your I-despise-y'all repertoire. Since no matter what you do you will end up feeling discomfort or guilt, then no matter what you end up doing will be wrong.

Again, I sympathize.

Best of luck,
Coconut, an INFP

Great, I see there is no escaping the human condition. I will be forever torn between flaming INFPs and not flaming INFPs. Oh well, at least I have everyone else to kick around.

[Snowflake]

Frankly, I'm appauled that INFPs think they have this much control over us. You all may be better at dealing with emotions, but I'd leave the rest to us.

[April]

Frankly, I'm appauled that INFPs think they have this much control over us. You all may be better at dealing with emotions, but I'd leave the rest to us.

Who said we have control over you?

[s0978]

You know, CC, April & Carebear- I feel very emotionally manipulated by this "we have so much feeling and tenderness and cry in the dark" stance up there. Not accusing you of emotional manipulation, just, it's a point of information. IRL I've felt very wary of dealing with INFPs, like I have walked away because who wants to feel like an asshole and guilty for stomping on feelings? Even while I am super caring and considerate for a T, goddammit.

[April]

You know, CC, April & Carebear- I feel very emotionally manipulated by this "we have so much feeling and tenderness and cry in the dark" stance up there. Not accusing you of emotional manipulation, just, it's a point of information. IRL I've felt very wary of dealing with INFPs, like I have walked away because who wants to feel like an asshole and guilty for stomping on feelings? Even while I am super caring and considerate for a T, goddammit.

Well, if you look back you'll see that I did not take the "I cry in the dark" stance. But yes, I do have a lot of feeling. That's just a fact. Why is it that you feel emotionally manipulated by this? Have INFPs called you an asshole for not caring about their feelings? Or do you just expect it to happen?

I believe that you are a super caring and considerate T. I doubt that I would think an asshole of you, because it seems clear that that's never your intention. Maybe you've come across some very sensitve INFPs. Half of my friends are Ts and we never have problems with them hurting my feelings. If I don't think of your type as the asshole, no feeling type, can you not think of my type as the overly sensitive, manipulative type?

[Snowflake]

Yeah, I agree with S0523,I think he said better than I did what I wanted to say, heh.

[Snowflake]

Who said we have control over you?

I guess the word should be insight.

[s0978]

Well, if you look back you'll see that I did not take the "I cry in the dark" stance. But yes, I do have a lot of feeling. That's just a fact. Why is it that you feel emotionally manipulated by this? Have INFPs called you an asshole for not caring about their feelings? Or do you just expect it to happen?

I believe that you are a super caring and considerate T. I doubt that I would think an asshole of you, because it seems clear that that's never your intention. Maybe you've come across some very sensitve INFPs. Half of my friends are Ts and we never have problems with them hurting my feelings. If I don't think of your type as the asshole, no feeling type, can you not think of my type as the overly sensitive, manipulative type?
argh, you see, I feel like your response was rather sensitive! Not overly sensitive (I don't even believe in such a thing as overreacting!) but even here there seems to be some emotional content I didn't anticipate.

I don't believe there's an intention to manipulate, and I didn't claim all INFPs were overly sensitive. I was trying, in the spirit of collaborative dialogue, to report an interpersonal dynamic which, albeit only in my finite experience, seems to be a function of type. That said, yes, if person B knows person A is prone to more emotionality (let's say person A's type is unknown even), person B will feel they have to be particularly cautious around A. Which is often not a barrel of monkeys for person B.

There is no "INFP sucks" whatsoever in any of this. I think there are relating challenges between types, that is all.

[April]

I see where you're coming from. I agree that there are relating challenges, and I think the goal is to overcome them. But I guess you also have the right not to put up with somebody's emotionality if you don't want to. It's interesting that you thought my response was sensitive though, because I'm not seeing it too much. Haha. Maybe all this just goes to show how INTPs and INFPs can learn from one another.

[attila_the_hunny]

They'd like to see through me, but nothing is more opaque than absolute transparency.

Helen of Troy Does Countertop Dancing by Margaret Atwood

[Snowflake]

They'd like to see through me, but nothing is more opaque than absolute transparency.

Helen of Troy Does Countertop Dancing by Margaret Atwood

I've never heard this saying before "Nothing is more opaque than transparency."

Do you mean like, putting up a facade to fool people into thinking they know you?

[attila_the_hunny]

I've never heard this saying before "Nothing is more opaque than transparency."

Do you mean like, putting up a facade to fool people into thinking they know you?

I thought it fitting since we can bee see-through. I don't know what I really meant but posting, but I loved the line in the poem.

[C.J.Woolf]

They'd like to see through me, but nothing is more opaque than absolute transparency.

Helen of Troy Does Countertop Dancing by Margaret Atwood
I read it this way: The less you "edit" your own image, the more people will see what they want to see. You become a living Rorschach.

[CreativeChaos]

argh, you see, I feel like your response was rather sensitive! Not overly sensitive (I don't even believe in such a thing as overreacting!) but even here there seems to be some emotional content I didn't anticipate.

I don't believe there's an intention to manipulate, and I didn't claim all INFPs were overly sensitive. I was trying, in the spirit of collaborative dialogue, to report an interpersonal dynamic which, albeit only in my finite experience, seems to be a function of type. That said, yes, if person B knows person A is prone to more emotionality (let's say person A's type is unknown even), person B will feel they have to be particularly cautious around A. Which is often not a barrel of monkeys for person B.

There is no "INFP sucks" whatsoever in any of this. I think there are relating challenges between types, that is all.

If it's any consolation, s0523, it's all natural and normal for this INFP to go cry in the dark. It's kinda like, I used to get my feelings hurt so often it was no big deal. And yeah, my signifant other complained about having to walk on eggshells around me. It was difficult. It's why I would go into my "cave" and cry. I didn't want to put my sensitivity onto other people. But I would go and cry and then be perfectly fine.

Also, I had a relationship with an INTP. He was brutal with his emotional insensitivety, and I rather liked it. It helped toughen me up. I liked being around him, because I didn't take myself as seriously or as sensitively as before. So, I see being around you guys as a big help. The emotional insensitivity rubs off and it's a big relief.

[Carebear]

Frankly, I'm appauled that INFPs think they have this much control over us. You all may be better at dealing with emotions, but I'd leave the rest to us.

Reading this post, I was thinking: Why is Snowflake applauding us? Wait a sec... appauled... could he mean appalled? Maybe when leaving the rest to you guys, spelling should not be part of "the rest". ;)


You know, CC, April & Carebear- I feel very emotionally manipulated by this "we have so much feeling and tenderness and cry in the dark" stance up there. Not accusing you of emotional manipulation, just, it's a point of information. IRL I've felt very wary of dealing with INFPs, like I have walked away because who wants to feel like an asshole and guilty for stomping on feelings? Even while I am super caring and considerate for a T, goddammit.

I won't speak for other INFPs here, but I myself have never been driven to dark places by INTPs. (Or any other personality type for that matter.) It's an internal process that gets me there, it doesn't feed that much on outer stimuli.

So at least around this INFP there's no reason to step very gently. Sure there are times when a T-statement will provoke a F-reaction from me and of course this might seem extremely weird for you, but me getting emotional or even defensive != me being hurt or feeling trodden upon. In other words: There's no reason to feel like an asshole simply because you got a strange reaction from this INFP. :)


What's funny about that? :mad: :whyi: Only an INTP would see something funny about a RISK game!!!! ACKKKK!!!!

This INFP found it hillarious as well. I love the INTP playfulness, and derailing this thread into a risk thread was just brilliant. (Though I'd have preferred Axis and Allies instead, since RISK is a bit too random. Yeah, yeah, A&A is too, but still less than RISK imho.)