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MacGuffin
20 Oct 2004, 09:21 PM
I am weakest at the T/F border, sometimes I wonder if I am INFP.
The last option is for non-INTPs that are almost INTPs by one preference (their weakest preference) I call them near-INTPs.
SensEye
20 Oct 2004, 10:23 PM
I'm at the P/J border. Still a P more often than not, but J like in some aspects.
crule81
20 Oct 2004, 10:41 PM
I'm a strong NT all of the time. I'm a weaker I or P depending on the test. I think I used to be an INTJ when I was younger. My E characteristics tend to increase when I'm in a good mood, which is rare lately.
Wrath Mania
20 Oct 2004, 10:53 PM
I'm not a strong T and sometimes show F characteristics, but my E/I is definetly the most borderline.
MacGuffin
20 Oct 2004, 11:21 PM
I think the J/P preference will win out, based on people's posts in the past.
EternalCynic
20 Oct 2004, 11:21 PM
Of the four, my weakest is the P.. but not by much. So I voted INTP through and through
MacGuffin
20 Oct 2004, 11:24 PM
Of the four, my weakest is the P.. but not by much. So I voted INTP through and through
Yeah, that is correct. Don't vote your weakest, just if you are near the border.
Vagabond
21 Oct 2004, 02:45 AM
I am half an INTJ.
Last Song
21 Oct 2004, 03:54 AM
I am half an INTJ.
Which half??
I dunno what "near the border" means. I suppose T/F for me if any. I feel like I'm losing touch with my N, I need chess back. :ph34r:
I still vote just INTP.
cloakable
21 Oct 2004, 08:39 AM
INTP, all through.
adamaw11
21 Oct 2004, 02:02 PM
Here's what I'm thinking: A person, let's say a NT-person, who is crossing the the J/P-border will have a strong NT-leaning, and will likely have a natural, albeit understanding of either the F or the S function, with the point being that the other function is to be understood the very least. (Is this clear? I'm very tired.)
Yeah that sounds about right.
And supposedly the opposite of the lead function will always be the weakest one. So for any type with lead Thinking, their 'least understood' function will be Feeling.
Would anyone else like to continue?
SensEye
21 Oct 2004, 04:37 PM
Here's what I'm thinking: A person, let's say a NT-person, who is crossing the the J/P-border will have a strong NT-leaning, and will likely have a natural, albeit understanding of either the F or the S function, with the point being that the other function is to be understood the very least. (Is this clear? I'm very tired.)
I want to know, from each and everyone of you who's crossing the J/P border, which general function you relate to the least.
It's not clear to me (is there a word missing after "albeit"?) but I am not near as well studied into the details of MBTI functionality as some of you.
In answer to your question though, F is definitely my weakest function. On tests that show you your scores for the various types, I usually score INTP slighty over INTJ, with ISTP coming in third. This does seems to support your theory as far as I can understand it.
Utopmk
21 Oct 2004, 04:51 PM
Maybe a little bit of F.
Johnny
21 Oct 2004, 05:08 PM
I want to know, from each and everyone of you who's crossing the J/P border, which general function you relate to the least.
Yes, this is an interesting question. The J/P line and the E/I line has a more convoluted impact on one's type than the functional line-crossings do themselves. But either way, the interactions between the functions and attitudes is rather complex, and even were one to claim themselves a firm INTP'er the range and use of all the functions and attitudes remain at our disposal to varying degrees...
jimkopelli
21 Oct 2004, 09:05 PM
T is my strongest function... all the others are pretty close to the border and switch around on tests sometimes.
coffeezombie
22 Oct 2004, 12:57 AM
INTP with Jish tendencies.
Boozer
22 Oct 2004, 01:25 AM
I put J. Despite my signature other tests either type me as INTJ outright or a low P.
I may not quite understand the difference but I think it's because I'm not that spontaneous. I like to plan things out in my head but never do it. For example I'll tell myself to clean my place for months and never get around to it. When I do clean up it's because I'm having guests. Damn, I just realized that I really don't have people over that often. I'm always going there.
Anyway I like to plan/worry. But I can go with the flow. Just don't expect me to take the initiative unless I really don't like what's going on. I make lists, but mostly as reminders.
I'm also pretty indecisive.
Vagabond
22 Oct 2004, 01:59 AM
A person, let's say a NT-person, who is crossing the the J/P-border will have a strong NT-leaning, and will likely have a natural, albeit understanding of either the F or the S function, with the point being that the other function is to be understood the very least.
Right... no. Both.
Ponderous
22 Oct 2004, 04:14 AM
Near the border? I'm about a 12 hour drive from the Mexican border. But I'm full-on INTP.
paladinoflunaria
22 Oct 2004, 04:19 AM
'Through and through,' not 'thru and thru.' :D I've scored even higher than the ones in my signature before. It depends on which test I take. I was an INTJ when I was younger, and I'd say P is my lowest score, but it's not near the border.
Birdsnest
22 Oct 2004, 04:29 AM
Very strong I and N, Moderate T, slight P (11-22%), but I've always tested
INTP.
cjs55
22 Oct 2004, 05:44 AM
I'm quite close to INFP, and roughly a year ago I for a brief time crossed over to it entirely. I think I become INFP anytime I fall in love, whether it be with another person, a piece of poetry, or a work of music.
I sort of betray this in my enneagram as well, being a 5w4 with a sexual emphasis. The addition of that emphasis finally makes me 'fit' into enneagram.
MacGuffin
22 Oct 2004, 03:16 PM
I find it interesting that no one has voted for the S/N border.
I think INTPs value the N, possibly the most of any preference. After all, who wants to be a dull S? Ns see patterns, think big.
I often have a hard time seeing the value of the S. Then I recall how often missing a detail has hurt me....
cjs55
22 Oct 2004, 06:23 PM
as far as relationships go, I definitely have serious problems being around S's. I can handle anything else, but S's just leave me silent and annoyed.
N/S split is definitely the category in which I would never want to trade what I have for the other trait.
INTrPosr
23 Oct 2004, 11:06 PM
I am weakest at the T/F border, sometimes I wonder if I am INFP.
MacGuffin, I am unsure of your gender, however, I understand that males who have trouble with T/F are usually F. Along with that principle, those having trouble with E/I are intrioverts.
Nindy
23 Oct 2004, 11:24 PM
If you score 50% at ALL types (E/I, S/N, T/F, J/P) you're supposedly an INFP. I find this quite funny, since I consider INFPs to be quite deep and not extremely general.
Anyhow, my perceiving is the most near the border of all my preferences.
MacGuffin
24 Oct 2004, 12:50 AM
I am weakest at the T/F border, sometimes I wonder if I am INFP.
MacGuffin, I am unsure of your gender, however, I understand that males who have trouble with T/F are usually F. Along with that principle, those having trouble with E/I are intrioverts.
You callin' me a woman? :laser:
In all seriousness, I was a lot stronger T when I was younger. Now, I am just stronger using my F than before. I can be pretty idealistic, which is more common of Fs.
CosmicDust
24 Oct 2004, 01:46 AM
I voted none, as I don't seem to be particularly close on any of them. My T is strongest. When other NP's talk about (the extremes of) being NP's and/or my E6 tendencies are acting up, I sometimes feel like I could be an ISTJ, but I don't think it's likely.
Jezebel
24 Oct 2004, 04:20 AM
I am weakest at the T/F border, sometimes I wonder if I am INFP.
MacGuffin, I am unsure of your gender, however, I understand that males who have trouble with T/F are usually F. Along with that principle, those having trouble with E/I are intrioverts.
I don't think the E/I thing is necessarily accurate. Shyness or social anxiety could cause an extrovert to type as an I, and I've heard of this happening from a couple Es.
Niflheimian
24 Oct 2004, 04:43 AM
My Perceiving function is nearest the border (on it, actually). Developing amongst mostly Ss has weakened my iNtuitive function, but it remains tenacious.
I'd say my functions are as follows:
I-100% N-70% T-75% P-5%
Aryan
24 Oct 2004, 08:19 AM
Hmm... a poll related to the MBTI x-factor cool !
I Think I might be an INFP
but mostly I sense my Ti so no doubts i guess
but still voted for T/F
Anyone knows any good website on this MBTI INTP/INFP split
INTrPosr
24 Oct 2004, 01:39 PM
I am weakest at the T/F border, sometimes I wonder if I am INFP.
MacGuffin, I am unsure of your gender, however, I understand that males who have trouble with T/F are usually F. Along with that principle, those having trouble with E/I are intrioverts.
You callin' me a woman? :laser: WOMAN ;P
In all seriousness, I was a lot stronger T when I was younger. Now, I am just stronger using my F than before. I can be pretty idealistic, which is more common of Fs.
I too have battled with the T/F. In fact, before taking the MBTI II, I usually typed as INFJ.
INTrPosr
24 Oct 2004, 01:48 PM
I hope that we are keeping in mind, the principle of MBTI is that, being too strong in any particular dichotomy is unhealthy. There are no pure types and we should not strive to be one. We should actually strive to gain 50/50 at each function. On some occasions when taking the Humanmetrics (www.humanmetrics.com) test, my results will turn out as X in some areas. Usually it's the J/P.
Dr. Caligari
25 Oct 2004, 02:30 AM
My percentages differ everytime I take the test, but it usually boils down to a weak IP and strong NT (but I always get INTP as a result). I used to be a little more extraverted (or loud and obnoxious) as a child, but I believe I am much more quiet and reserved as a young adult. As for being an INTJ or ENTJ, I'm too damn indecisive to be either of the two...I think.
garak
2 Jan 2005, 08:46 PM
J is weakest but I'm INTP through and through.
indie
2 Jan 2005, 10:33 PM
Of the several times I've taken the test, only once did I come out borderline T/F, with 51 percent T and 49 F, but I'm pretty sure I'm INTP through and through.
Biff_Loman
3 Jan 2005, 05:11 AM
I don't think the E/I thing is necessarily accurate. Shyness or social anxiety could cause an extrovert to type as an I, and I've heard of this happening from a couple Es.
And here I am, the opposite: a very non-shy introvert (but not a particularly distinct introvert).
Whenever I tell people about my interest in personality types, they are surprised to find that I am an introvert. If you were to observe me, you'd be hard-pressed to tell on which side of the line I fall.
The last time I took a Big Five test (which I believe measures E/I differently), I scored dead even on introversion/extraversion. I have never taken an official MBTI test, but I have always crept over the line into introversion on online tests - although often not by much.
I answered "might be an ENTP" for the poll, although that is over-stating the case somewhat. I am not the least bit comfortable with any ENTP descriptions while the INTP descriptions have always struck me as uncannily accurate.
Biff_Loman
3 Jan 2005, 05:40 AM
It seems that there are quite a few INTPs out there who are unsure as to whether they have F tendencies or what.
Lenore Thomson argues that Ti is a subjective function, and is primarily action-oriented. I think that this brings out thoughts and emotions in the INTP that might, superficially, seem very F-oriented.
One of the quotations that Thomson finds to illustrate the nature of dominant Ti is, appropriately, from Einstein. The actual quotation escapes me at the moment, but it concerns Einstein's personal quest to use science to explore the mysteries of the cosmos. I forget the actual wording, but it sounds almost like an NF-ish search for meaning. For Thomson, this is not an aberration, but is exemplary of the nature of Ti.
From what I can tell, though, the quest of the individual with dominant Ti is much different from the person with dominant Fi. I-FPs, to over-simplify things, struggle between their own idiosyncratic values and those imposed by family, culture, etc. As far as I can tell, I-TPs struggle with the tension between the technical and the artistic.
I think it's fair to say that there is a technical streak in all we INTPs, whether it manifests itself in a desire to master philosophy or computer programming. We have a drive to figure out how things work, in an objective sense. The universe is simply there, in its own right, and it operates according to rules that can be understood and exploited - so we might as well get busy and figure it out.
However, Fe is always nipping at our heels, making us wish for a different kind of world in which things could simply be. . . better. In this better world, we could each love and be loved without complication or hurt, as earnestly as children loving their parents. Naturally, it's completely primitive and unformed, but it can lead to a weird kind of posture towards the world that can sometimes seem like the INFP's idealism.
I think it's this drive that makes us love systems that are perfect. If this world isn't "good" enough for us - well, make a better one! However, since we aren't extraverted, we work in the mental zone. We'll design a flawless computer system, or an ideal philosophical construct, or engineer an optimal device. Of course, it never is perfect, and the process continues, at least until we lose interest and move on.
So, I believe there is some sort of tension here, between the logical, rational approach to figuring out the world and the fact that, underneath it all, we're doing it for love. To me, this is way, way different from the dominant Fi "I am on life's ultimate quest for meaning."
Hmm. This post was a little half-baked, but hopefully it'll provide food for thought.
garak
3 Jan 2005, 05:47 AM
A great post, biff. I have recently noticed the T/F confusion as well. A lot of times when I catch myself thinking in a wishful emotional way, I think, "F!" But I know that overall the INFP description is absolutely not me. I guess we just have to remember that being INTPs doesn't mean that we are logic-obsessed robots and nothing more.
CreativeChaos
3 Jan 2005, 06:04 AM
I'm a definite INFP through and through. But I always score close to 50/50 on the T/F on the MBTI. I think that's from a lot of schooling and drilling to "value" logic. So I am a very logical INFP. I'm that 1 who polled am not an INTP but would be if weakest point were switched.
I think there are a lot of INFPs who get confused on the T/F scale also. Especially male INFPs who are taught that it is more "macho" to be a T.
Originally posted by Biff:
"I am on life's ultimate quest for meaning."
I also wanted to note that a lot of descriptions of INFPs are rather exagerated at points. Some, the one in Keirsy's "Please Understand Me" is downright weird. There is a post of a description of INFPs by INFPs. That is the best one. I'll post it as soon as I find it. But being INFP doesn't necessarily mean you are a you are always questing for meaning. This is often worded in much stronger terms than *I* have always felt. *Understanding* life is the bigger term to me. *Everyone* can have existential problems. What is *meaningful* to one may not be *meaningful* to alnother. (Heh! I guess I do *think* about meaning) But my conclusion is that it's highly subjective. And I don't really think about it *a lot*.
But I do like going through analysis and research. That's an NT process. To hypothesis, and theorize and test your theories. And I like the sciences. So, anyway. It's just not that black and white, from both sides of the T/F fence.
songbird36
3 Jan 2005, 06:07 AM
INTJ..
and not as strong a "T" as I used to be.
Probably P is my closest. I have been able to play the fieldmarshall before in order to make sure my stradegies are enacted correctly. When I have jobs in sales I turn the E on quite a bit.
I voted INTJ though because I pretty much had to turn into one in university to get anything done.
songbird36
3 Jan 2005, 06:44 AM
Maybe that happened to me too. I tested as INTP the first time I did the test (around 12 yrs ago).
Boneca
3 Jan 2005, 11:48 AM
I'm close to the P/J border. There is no doubt I'm an INTP, but there is still a lot I can identify with in the INTJ profiles.
Not that I really think I'll ever be J (I can never make up my mind), but it's the Ni function that does it, I think.
QrioCT
3 Jan 2005, 05:55 PM
E/I borderline. i talk a lot sometimes but also get really quiet at times. im more into ideas than friends but my friends say im fun to be with(but probably still think im kind of unkind).
i use my NP to the fullest possible(wit, humor, going easy)socially because i have almost no F, which makes me come across as insensitive sometimes. im as solidly NT as you could get.
Avengardh
3 Jan 2005, 08:48 PM
P/J...it depends on what I am doing.
waxwing
3 Jan 2005, 10:23 PM
F/T and at times E/I. P and N very strong.
I'm a strong NT all of the time. I'm a weaker I or P depending on the test. I think I used to be an INTJ when I was younger. My E characteristics tend to increase when I'm in a good mood, which is rare lately.
I'm more "E" when I'm in a good mood (which is frequent of late, but that's bound to change); perhaps this applies to a significant percentage of us...the other ones are pretty clear-cut...
Scott
coffeezombie
4 Jan 2005, 01:41 AM
Sometimes I think I am near INTJ until I actually meet some real INTJs. :ph34r:
I have a lot of J qualities but in the end I'm a P(although not by much)
jyakulis
5 Jan 2005, 10:46 PM
I'm always at least in the 80's for N and T, E and P are close to the borders depending on the test.
EdwinJefferson
6 Jan 2005, 09:31 AM
I haven't a clue what I am. I'm probably not an INTP because my brain is full of dust and/or cobwebs. But I'm INFx .. probably .. though I do tend to think with my head more than my heart. Proof of this is that I liked working as a timetabler for the university radio station, but just gave it up because I don't have the time (even though it is something I really enjoyed). Or my ability to cut off 'friends' with ease. I enjoy learning and would spend more time doing so if I could.
euterpenc
16 Jan 2005, 04:44 PM
My lowest preference is I oddly enough:
Introverted (I) 60.61% Extroverted (E) 39.39%
Intuitive (N) 70.97% Sensing (S) 29.03%
Thinking (T) 73.53% Feeling (F) 26.47%
Perceiving (P) 67.74% Judging (J) 32.26%
I'd say that's pretty strong INTP. And there is no way in hell I'm anything else.
CreativeChaos
17 Jan 2005, 01:44 AM
This is some interesting stuff I from People Types and Tiger Stripes that talks about four different kinds of mind. It has a lot of other neat different things about types and "cognitive styles". I'd recommend it.
The Four Kinds of Mind
ST: The Structural Mind
NF: The Oceanic Mind
NT: The Etherial Mind
SF: The Experial Mind
I've typed up the NF and NT before and thought it might be good to post it here for those who are trying to decide between INFP and INTP. The concepts are rather abstract, but then that shouldn't be a problem for us NPs right? The author, Gordon Lawrence is an NT.
Hope this helps. Would love to see comments. There's a lot more neat differentiating stuff in this book I could post. It talks a lot about Fi, Ti, Ne, and so on.
borderline w/ the E/I and as strong an N as you can get.
MacGuffin
20 Jan 2005, 03:49 PM
I find it very interesting most people do not want to be on the S/N border.
Bunch of Sensing-bigots around here!
cjs55
20 Jan 2005, 03:52 PM
Sensors suck. Its not bigotry, its reality =)
sensors are just really difficult for me to relate with... i don't necessarily dislike them, i just can't connect with them.
Zero Angel
20 Jan 2005, 06:19 PM
I score as an INTJ, yet the INTP Description by Paul James is extremely accurate for me. Though sometimes I behave like an INTJ when the situation gets tough at work, and i've done some NTJ type activities when I was younger. Also, I am about 40-45% F, so there is also that as a border.
CreativeChaos
21 Jan 2005, 09:49 PM
I was reading through this, and I don't think I saw the comment about Type Development. I don't know if you subscribe to this, but sometimes the confusion over type can have to do with type development.
I know INFPs are 1) Dominent Fi 2) Ne 3)Se 4) Te
Rats, actually I've forgotten exactly if the 3 and 4 are innys or outys. However, when I reaced about 35, I found myself becoming very practically oriented. I started asking, is this practical. I still have that rather strong in me. That would seem to make me very S. But I know I'm not, I'm just developing my Sensing function. So that is what seems strongest in me right now.
Theoretically you are still developing your second function in your 20's, third function in your 30's and 4th in your forties.
There is a lot of overlapping, of course. And the lines can't be drawn as defined as I just wrote. But it's the general idea. And I have found myself over my 45 years to follow this inadvertanly. I'm am presently developing my Te function. This does not mean "rational". I've been rational and very adept at using "logic". This simply means I am beginning take things that other people say and absorb what happens around me in a less personal way than I used to. I still have a long way to go, though.
INTPs are 1)Ti, 2)Ne, 3)S?4)Fe If I remember correctly.
So I'd say that if you guys in your 20s are questioning your T/F, then perhaps you are F, and you are just now allowing yourself to be that. Society really conditions men to be T.
Otherwise you would be working on your S. Becoming more practical. And Fe would be the last thing to develop.
MacGuffin
9 Feb 2006, 02:14 AM
I know I bumped this before the Great Erasure.
Ka.avik
9 Feb 2006, 02:35 AM
and I know I never saw it, despite your efforts.
I can slip into INFP on occasion, mostly if I'm concentrating on artistic endeavors, and haterade-hustler would make fun of me (wahh!) on IRC for talking about motorcycling as an S-thing, which realistically it kinda is...so I have my ISTP corners.
But I'm never anything like an ISFP!
nah, I'm pretty thoroughly an INTP really.
MacGuffin
1 Mar 2007, 09:28 PM
Hmm... been a year... new people...
*bump*
Kanamori
1 Mar 2007, 09:49 PM
Sometimes I just sit around and get angsty.
geniusndisguise
1 Mar 2007, 09:56 PM
I know I posted here before. Maybe before the Great Erasure.
I think I might be on the T/F border. I know some F's who would wholely disagree though. :) I'm ridiculously non-sensorish, and J's drive my crazy (to be fair, I drive them insane too). There's no way I'm an E, though if I could change one, that would be it.
So, INTP all the way.
Sierim
1 Mar 2007, 10:01 PM
According to the MBTI, my weakest is P (moderately strong), but I see myself as closer to an INFP than INTJ in terms of differences between each and INTP. No question on the others, though; I'm pure I and pure N.
MacGuffin
1 Mar 2007, 10:06 PM
I'm pure [...] N.Yes. As noted above, Ns rarely want to admit they are near-Sensors.
Sierim
1 Mar 2007, 10:15 PM
Yes. As noted above, Ns rarely want to admit they are near-Sensors.
I'm not sure that I follow . . .
At times I've wished I was a sensor (to help with relationships), but I don't understand the concept. Why deal with the sheer boredom of the reality of daily life when I have the endless possibilities of my imagination where details don't matter? This is hyperbole, of course, but personally I find the imaginary and hypothetical much more interesting than the real.
Also, to clarify, I say I'm pure I and N because I scored 100% on both with MBTI (I believe I posted this in my introduction thread).
I scored INTJ a couple of times with a weak J, but when I got INTP my P preference never was less then 44. I suppose I get J when test has questions worded like "What would you prefer..." Yes, I strongly prefer to have my work done in time. Whether I have it done it time - it's another issue.
Lurker
1 Mar 2007, 10:33 PM
The only thing that makes me think I'm on a figurative T/F border (figurative because I test about 60/40) is that I'm so damn nice and I get my feelings hurt easily. I can also be a "right fighter." When I compare myself to some high scoring Ts around here, I really see a big difference. But then again, I can't relate at all to INFPs and, although I find them whimsical and insightful, they tend to annoy me. Also, I'm out of touch with my feelings. I don't have any profound feeling based revelations. My INFP friend once told me that I only experienced two emotions: anger and excitement. Of course, she was dead wrong. Speaking of INFPs, they can be quite very irrational and self-centered. Ugh.
I'm actually interested to hear what the members who somewhat know me think.
I'm not sure it's so easy to correlate abundance of emotion with F preference.
Ability and likelihood to act based on it? Maybe.
Isn't T/F more about how to approach ethics?
Lurker
1 Mar 2007, 10:41 PM
I'm not sure it's so easy to correlate abundance of emotion with F preference.
Ability and likelihood to act based on it? Maybe.
Well, I have an average ability, but I rarely act on my emotions. My ISTJ friend says I make most of my decisions with my feelings, but then, she considers anything that doesn't adhere to the straight and narrow prescribed path to be irrational.
Added: As a sidenote, I think it's possible that many E/ISTJs would consider INTPs to be feelers because of the Ne, P, and shadow Fe.
Lurker
1 Mar 2007, 10:45 PM
Isn't T/F more about how to approach ethics?
I hope not.
I would rather the Iron Hand of Justice have a little mercy on me if I ever get in trouble. :mellow:
intpgolfer
1 Mar 2007, 10:47 PM
Everything is between 68% and 75%.
I - Grew up in a house full of "E"s, so I thought I was an E. Really, really wrong there.
N - Facts and me, have always been a laugh
T - If I hang out with very strong "T"s, I can appear relatively compassionate.
P - ......................................?
Isn't T/F more about how to approach ethics?
Yep. Objectively vs. subjectively rational is how I tend to see it.
Well, I have an average ability, but I rarely act on my emotions. My ISTJ friend says I make most of my decisions with my feelings, but then, she considers anything that doesn't adhere to the straight and narrow prescribed path to be irrational.
Added: As a sidenote, I think it's possible that many E/ISTJs would consider INTPs to be feelers because of the Ne, P, and shadow Fe.
Heh. You're rationalizing an anecdotal assessment. I'm sure that indicates somethingorother.
Zergling
1 Mar 2007, 10:52 PM
I went with non-intp, but near, looking at the profile will show the letter in question.
Lurker
1 Mar 2007, 10:54 PM
Heh. You're rationalizing an anecdotal assessment. I'm sure that indicates somethingorother.
Well, I guess I'm just a super duper terrific nice INTP. Like Fortunato. Wait...I don't think I'm that nice.
Lurker
1 Mar 2007, 10:58 PM
MacGuffin had a point about admitting sensorish tendencies. On this board, that's a big no-no. I dare anyone on the N/S border to admit it.
Come hither and show yourself! (Because sensor doesn't equal stupid, damnit!)
Sojourner
1 Mar 2007, 11:04 PM
o.O
Statistically, my weakest preferences are in T and P. Personally, I've looked at INTP, INFP, and INTJ descriptions... and if I wasn't INTP, I'd be more INFP than INTJ.
._.
Blah.
matryoshka
1 Mar 2007, 11:45 PM
T is pretty weak for me, but based on all of the INTP and INFP descriptions I've read and the tests I've taken, I'm definitely INTP.
Added: As a sidenote, I think it's possible that many E/ISTJs would consider INTPs to be feelers because of the Ne, P, and shadow Fe.
I find this to be more or less true with my E/ISTJ friends at least (though we don't think of it in mbti terms). My ESTJ friend is very brash and open with her opinions and decisions, but I tend to hold back more. She percieves this as my being sensitive, and while I probably am more sensitive than her, usually it's not my feelings that cause me to hold back opinions and stuff. It's just me not wanting to say things that might come back and bite me in the ass. That, and I don't like to draw attention to myself like she does.
MacGuffin
1 Mar 2007, 11:51 PM
The only thing that makes me think I'm on a figurative T/F border (figurative because I test about 60/40) is that I'm so damn nice and I get my feelings hurt easily. I can also be a "right fighter." When I compare myself to some high scoring Ts around here, I really see a big difference. But then again, I can't relate at all to INFPs and, although I find them whimsical and insightful, they tend to annoy me. Also, I'm out of touch with my feelings. I don't have any profound feeling based revelations. My INFP friend once told me that I only experienced two emotions: anger and excitement. Of course, she was dead wrong. Speaking of INFPs, they can be quite very irrational and self-centered. Ugh.
I'm actually interested to hear what the members who somewhat know me think.
I am nearly the same way. Too nice sometimes, too sensitive. But INFPs can really grate. I could not hang out at INFPg for very long. I am loathe to go back there. I have a hard time figuring out what emotional state I am in, which should not be THAT hard with someone with Fi as their primary process (INFP).
I'm not sure that I follow . . .
MacGuffin had a point about admitting sensorish tendencies. On this board, that's a big no-no. I dare anyone on the N/S border to admit it.
Come hither and show yourself! (Because sensor doesn't equal stupid, damnit!)
Yes, that is what I meant, Sierim.
Isn't T/F more about how to approach ethics?
Part of it. Rationality vs. Values. And emotion is bound up in values. Most people think F means emotion, which is not entirely true, but there is a correlation. I am overusing that word lately.
MacGuffin had a point about admitting sensorish tendencies. On this board, that's a big no-no. I dare anyone on the N/S border to admit it.
Come hither and show yourself! (Because sensor doesn't equal stupid, damnit!)
I've got Intuitive (N) 54.84% Sensing (S) 45.16% and even 5% S once. Does it count?
starla
2 Mar 2007, 02:41 AM
I'm strongest on I and T, weaker on N and P. I suffer from bouts of J every now and then. Sometimes I think the INTJ profile could fit me, sometimes I think the ISTP profile could fit me (parts of it anyway), but I am nowhere near being an ISTJ. In fact, their very existence annoys me.
TaylorS
2 Mar 2007, 04:59 PM
P is my weakest (around 60/40), this is probably because of my Aspergers. The cognitive processes test says that my Te and Ni (the xNTJ-ish functions) are reasonably well developed for an INTP.
demagogic_schizoid
2 Mar 2007, 05:07 PM
Almost no-one says S. Is this because it's the one most associated with value judgement?
BTW I'm sure someone already said this. I'm not reading 9 pages though.
2hype
2 Mar 2007, 07:02 PM
T/F is my weakest border.
Samurai Drifter
2 Mar 2007, 07:07 PM
I still am not entirely sure whether or not I'm ENTP or INTP. Whatever though.
Also, in terms of T/F... my brother and dad see me as compassionate in comparison to them, both INTJs. But when I started mingling with Fs in school, a lot of them saw me as extremely un-empathetic and cold. Weird.
Jivinjeffjones
2 Mar 2007, 07:13 PM
I'm INFP, but I become more INTP the more I fail. That isn't a dig.
All I know for sure is what was once near the border, now permeates my neighborhood, and I really dont know how to feel about it all just yet.
As far as borderline traits go thats easily INTJ. Now if I could just organize all of these stacks of paper and file them away.
Jennywocky
2 Mar 2007, 08:32 PM
I am nearly the same way. Too nice sometimes, too sensitive.
Same here. It's the borderline trait in me, if one exists. I know I've confused some people.
But INFPs can really grate. I could not hang out at INFPg for very long.
It's funny. The ones I know in Real Life, I really like and have a great time with. I would never say I disliked INFPs, if it was only based on them.
The ones I see on forums (not here at all -- I think CC and the others are great -- but on the INFPg board, for example) tend to really piss me off. They often don't seem to show common sense and come across as self-indulgent, believing whatever they fancy at the time to be true or whatever is convenient. I'm probably generalizing, though.
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