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KuJo
7 Apr 2006, 04:59 AM
well?

libertarianjim
7 Apr 2006, 05:07 AM
Depends what you mean by predjudice. Are you talking about racial predjudice? The Nation of Islam isn't what I'd call politically conservative, but they're pretty predjudiced.

KuJo
7 Apr 2006, 05:12 AM
Depends what you mean by predjudice. Are you talking about racial predjudice? The Nation of Islam isn't what I'd call politically conservative, but they're pretty predjudiced.

well, in more of broad sense.

i live in alabama, so most people down here are conservative. its basicly like, if they dont hate one person for some small reason then they hate another. Then you look at other conservative places and see other kinds of hate.

maybe i meant hate, but its not really what im going for. i am explaining this terribly. hopefully someone can read through what i write in this thread.

Serotonin
7 Apr 2006, 05:14 AM
No, not really. I see prejudice as being an inherent part of zealous partisanship, which comes from both liberal and conservative camps. Bad conservatives tend to be straight assholes, and bad liberals self-entitled whingers. Even most hardline conservatives will say things like "you can be gay, but keep it inside the bedroom" or "You're not compelled to join the military or own a firearm, but that pretty much makes you a pussy and/or stupid". Even they respect personal freedom, so you're better off ignoring their agendas unless/until they directly affect you, rather than being all righteous and combating their supposed ignorance. This is what I've found trawling conservative blogs (and I do a lot of that in my spare time).

C.J.Woolf
7 Apr 2006, 05:16 AM
Do you mean xenophobia, or fear of the "other"? I think the latter tends to go together with conservatism, but it isn't caused by conservatism. Rather, I think certain psychological traits tend to lead to both.

Zephyrus055
7 Apr 2006, 05:16 AM
It's a correlation, not a cause. I'm pretty sure you can probably figure out the cause to this correlation by yourself - it's pretty obvious.

libertarianjim
7 Apr 2006, 05:26 AM
First, let me say I love the term "whingers." Love it.

Back to the main topic and CJ's post on xenophobia. There was a study done a few years back when David Duke was running for either Governor or Senate (I think Governor, but I honestly can't remember which, but I do know it was a statewide election). The authors examined the percentage of the white vote for Duke, and found it tended to increase as the percentage of black population in the county increased. The conclusion is supported by decades of cognitive psych research on in-group and out-group interactions: that when we perceive growing threats from "outsiders" we tend to adopt positions and support candidates that will support our in-group.

TelecomClone
7 Apr 2006, 05:41 AM
Prejudice is purely an intellectual laziness. It would not as such matter whether or not the mindsloth is inclined to conserve sociocultural norms. If you see a correlation between prejudice and conservatism, though, then perhaps you might be able to infer something about the general caliber of the minds that populate it.

Similarly, hatred often follows a feeling of being deeply harmed and/or a feeling of powerlessness. Again, it would not as such matter whether or not the individual in question is inclined to conserve sociocultural norms. It would seem, then, that in neither case can conservatism itself be called the operative factor.

philonightmare
7 Apr 2006, 06:15 AM
well?
There are some studies which show that certain personality traits for people claiming to be conservative (in ideology) tend to share a lack of openness (from the big five) and they usually value security more than "equal rights", a typically liberal value. Does that prove that conservatism breeds prejuidice? No, it really doesn't.

cjs55
7 Apr 2006, 07:02 AM
Does conservatism breed prejudice? Sure. Prejudice against that which is not conservative.

Does liberalism breed prejudice? Sure. They become prejudiced against all of those inferior already-prejudiced folk, and prejudiced in favor of all of those poor oppressed folk. (prejudice against that which is not liberal humanism).

Stillwater
7 Apr 2006, 07:08 AM
In the case of social conservatives I would say yes. Overt prejudice isn't usually a publicly cherished value. However, prejudice can masquerade as social conservativism and give legitimacy to feelings that would otherwise be difficult to defend. Assuming you define prejudice as a belief that a different viewpoint, color, or culture is inferior.

Many social conservatives seem consumed with the desire to impose their personal beliefs on others. As opposed to accepting and living with the differences in others. 'Live and make live my way' has more potential political motivation than 'live and let live'. Unfortunately.

distraction tactics
7 Apr 2006, 07:24 AM
Conservatism by definition is that which is concerned with the tried and true, not that which is right, fair or equal. And I say that in how the method is approached, not the actual result.

My biggest pet peeve is the American tendency to dirty the term to mean 'right wing'.

ShadyShady
7 Apr 2006, 07:29 AM
Prejudice is purely an intellectual laziness. It would not as such matter whether or not the mindsloth is inclined to conserve sociocultural norms. If you see a correlation between prejudice and conservatism, though, then perhaps you might be able to infer something about the general caliber of the minds that populate it.

Similarly, hatred often follows a feeling of being deeply harmed and/or a feeling of powerlessness. Again, it would not as such matter whether or not the individual in question is inclined to conserve sociocultural norms. It would seem, then, that in neither case can conservatism itself be called the operative factor.


*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual)

Serotonin
7 Apr 2006, 07:36 AM
*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual)
*splutter* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary)

dubbeltop
7 Apr 2006, 07:51 AM
No but ignorance does. Sometimes even if you hate a person you have to take the first step because a small spark can lead to a big blaze. Anyway i have certain believes about certain people that will not change no matter what people do or say to prove otherwise. But being conservative relates more too keeping this the way they are because your afraid of the future. So this can lead to prejudice etc etc. But the prejudice comes usually from an early age or experience and tends to grow with you as you get older. So prejudice tend to take a long time to grow and may take forever to change. But educution is the best way to deal with prejudice and sharing and letting go of your beliefs makes you less conservative so...thats my view.


educution°education

TelecomClone
7 Apr 2006, 01:36 PM
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