Why Muslims are Really So Angry

[Conan]

No premarital sex
No jacking off
All that sand

If you couldnt have sex or jack off, had sand up your crack, and someone was making fun of your prophet, you'd be mad too.
(or so says the last episode of South Park)

I wonder if there's any truth to this. I know Id be mad.

[Snowflake]

lol

[zhang_bob]

No alcohol.

[Lurker]

110 degree heat

[Shimpei]

fasting until sunset (Ramadan)

[Lee]

This (http://neuropolitics.org/SunlightTheory.asp) might have something to do with it.

[tinribz]

OK, the Iraq army just invaded America, wasted your army over night and roams the streets taking pot shots at civilians.

Contracts to manage your natural resources are being handed to middle eastern companies, they are running the police force and imposing a new political system that mirrors their own.

How would the red-necks be taking it?

[Lee]

OK, the Iraq army just invaded America, wasted your army over night and roams the streets taking pot shots at civilians.

Contracts to manage your natural resources are being handed to middle eastern companies, they are running the police force and imposing a new political system that mirrors their own.

How would the red-necks be taking it?If the rednecks were the equivalent of the kurds in northern Iraq, then they might be taking it very well.

[BILLER]

Very funny.

Except that Muslims arent angry. I should know. I'm one.

[Conan]

Very funny.

Except that Muslims arent angry. I should know. I'm one.

Do you really never jack off?

[ApeTheDog]

Muslims aren't angry, and aren't not-angry either. That is because a group of people is never homogenous enough for ANY trait to apply to each and every individual in it.

[Lee]

That is because a group of people is never homogenous enough for ANY trait to apply to each and every individual in it.Except for the trait used to seperate them into groups in the first place and any other traits which accompany that trait out of necessity.

[charred_heart]

Except for the trait used to seperate them into groups in the first place and any other traits which accompany that trait out of necessity.
Things like 'angry' and 'tall' can't fall into that category.

[Nemesis]

No premarital sex
No jacking off
All that sand

If you couldnt have sex or jack off, had sand up your crack, and someone was making fun of your prophet, you'd be mad too.
(or so says the last episode of South Park)

I wonder if there's any truth to this. I know Id be mad.
"Grandma, what large tendencies of an insensitive prick you have!"

[ApeTheDog]

Except for the trait used to seperate them into groups in the first place and any other traits which accompany that trait out of necessity.

Well, yes, that goes without saying.

[zhang_bob]

Do you really never jack off?
What kind of fucking question is that?

It like asking if a tortoise is fast.

[Conan]

What kind of fucking question is that?

It like asking if a tortoise is fast.

No one asked you.

[charred_heart]

Do you really never jack off?
No, we are not jerkoffs

[Conan]

No, we are not jerkoffs

Thats amazing. I didnt even know it was possible. Two days and im irritable.

[Hustler]

Not all muslims live in the desert. Take the muslims in Indonesia, for example. There are a lot of them there. Islam has spread over many parts of Southeast Asia, actually. And they all seem to be angry too. So, that makes me think that the facetious reasons at the beginning of this thread probably have little or no merit. I think the real reason is that Islam is an evil religion (to be fair, most of them are) founded on the teachings of a greedy merchant turned power-grabbing warmonger, and the Qur'an is riddled with messages of hate and intolerance.

The reason Islam grows so fast is the very fact that it prescribes anger as a course of life. It is a memeplex which allows a man in civilized society to release a lot of his aggression out onto the world, instead of merely turning it back in on himself. It is much easier to feel less conflicted and better about yourself all around when you can live like this. So much, so, I guess, that many are even willing to die for it.

[charred_heart]

Not all muslims live in the desert. Take the muslims in Indonesia, for example. There are a lot of them there. Islam has spread over many parts of Southeast Asia, actually. And they all seem to be angry too. So, that makes me think that the facetious reasons at the beginning of this thread probably have little or no merit. I think the real reason is that Islam is an evil religion (to be fair, most of them are) founded on the teachings of a greedy merchant turned power-grabbing warmonger, and the Qur'an is riddled with messages of hate and intolerance.

The reason Islam grows so fast is the very fact that it prescribes anger as a course of life. It is a memeplex which allows a man in civilized society to release a lot of his aggression out onto the world, instead of merely turning it back in on himself. It is much easier to feel less conflicted and better about yourself all around when you can live like this. So much, so, I guess, that many are even willing to die for it.
I'm so angry I want to DIE!!!!!!!!!

[wildcat]

What they really want is to get their nuclear arsenal ready and start bombing the West into kingdom to come.

[Conan]

Esteban, the Quran does not state that one cannot jerk off/masturbate/etc. In fact, to do so in moderation is best. It keeps your mind clear, rested and it's a healthy activity. Perhaps you're confusing culture with religion. But when your source is Southpark....


Oh okay. I was actually quite surprised when I heard South Park make mention of it last episode, mainly because I had always considered such a feat to be not humanly possible.

[Hustler]

Islamic teachings and the way certain groups choose to interpret and act on them is an important distinction to make if one actually wishes to understand why Islam is such a fast-growing religion.

My opinion is based on my own reading of the Qur'an, my own research into the history of Islam and Mohammed and, of course, my interpretation of how the story of Islam has played out over the last several hundred years. My conclusion: this religion has very few redeeming qualities.

[philonightmare]

My opinion is based on my own reading of the Qur'an, my own research into the history of Islam and Mohammed and, of course, my interpretation of how the story of Islam has played out over the last several hundred years. My conclusion: this religion has very few redeeming qualities.
Compared to what?

[Hustler]

Compared to what?

Well, it's true, I don't think any religion has many redeeming qualities. But, Islam is even worse than average. If you want me to just come up with an example...I don't know, how about Paganism. That's a superior religion.

[philonightmare]

Well, it's true, I don't think any religion has many redeeming qualities. But, Islam is even worse than average. If you want me to just come up with an example...I don't know, how about Paganism. That's a superior religion.
I'm curious what standards you're using which help you come to that conclusion. Why is it worse than average? In what ways? edit: what is 'average', anyway?

btw, If you had said the same thing about Christianity, I would ask you the same questions.

[Hustler]

I'm curious what standards you're using which help you come to that conclusion. Why is it worse than average? In what ways? edit: what is 'average', anyway?

btw, If you had said the same thing about Christianity, I would ask you the same questions.

Just use your intuition and try to imagine what my standards are. You'll probably be right.

[charred_heart]

Hustler: If there was a defining moment or piece of text in your research into Islam that made you decide "Islam is ...", what was it?

[euterpenc]

Not all muslims live in the desert. Take the muslims in Indonesia, for example. There are a lot of them there. Islam has spread over many parts of Southeast Asia, actually. And they all seem to be angry too. So, that makes me think that the facetious reasons at the beginning of this thread probably have little or no merit. I think the real reason is that Islam is an evil religion (to be fair, most of them are) founded on the teachings of a greedy merchant turned power-grabbing warmonger, and the Qur'an is riddled with messages of hate and intolerance.

The reason Islam grows so fast is the very fact that it prescribes anger as a course of life. It is a memeplex which allows a man in civilized society to release a lot of his aggression out onto the world, instead of merely turning it back in on himself. It is much easier to feel less conflicted and better about yourself all around when you can live like this. So much, so, I guess, that many are even willing to die for it.

Hm... note the lack of aggression in more introverted religions i.e. Buddhism. Chistianity had its "angry" moments as well, which I would also attribute to its extraversion.

[euterpenc]

Esteban, the Quran does not state that one cannot jerk off/masturbate/etc. In fact, to do so in moderation is best. It keeps your mind clear, rested and it's a healthy activity. Perhaps you're confusing culture with religion. But when your source is Southpark....
Islamic teachings and the way certain groups choose to interpret and act on them is an important distinction to make if one actually wishes to understand why Islam is such a fast-growing religion.

How religion is much more important than what is actually written. Take the Crusades for example. The idea of the Crusades somehow doesn't match up with the Christian ideal of "love thy neighbor."

[Hustler]

Hustler: If there was a defining moment or piece of text in your research into Islam that made you decide "Islam is ...", what was it?

There wasn't one. It was the culmination of all my investigation and how world events have played out.

[KuJo]

Hm... note the lack of aggression in more introverted religions i.e. Buddhism. Chistianity had its "angry" moments as well, which I would also attribute to its extraversion.

that extroversion is to make people think they have to "make" more Christians. fucking brilliant if you ask me. Its like if they found a way to keep it going on forever.

[euterpenc]

that extroversion is to make people think they have to "make" more Christians. fucking brilliant if you ask me. Its like if they found a way to keep it going on forever.

It shoudl be noted where and when Christianity originated. With this in mind it becomes more clear as to why christianity is one of the only religions that have an end to the world, and a very violent and negative one at that. Somehow the love of one's neighbor ends when one doesn't abide by christian law.

It should also be noted that the Christians take more rules from the bible than there really is. Not to mention there was no set of punishments passed to Moses along with the commandments.

[nomir_dva]

Islam is a comparatively new religion. Give it a few centuries to calm down. More seriously, though, what is it that the Muslims are allegedly angry at? That may be important.

[BILLER]

Just use your intuition and try to imagine what my standards are. You'll probably be right.

I just did and I'm not impressed.

[KuJo]

It should also be noted that the Christians take more rules from the bible than there really is. Not to mention there was no set of punishments passed to Moses along with the commandments.

thats because Christians want to control everyone's life, with whatever crap they can pull out of the bible.

[C.J.Woolf]

It shoudl be noted where and when Christianity originated. With this in mind it becomes more clear as to why christianity is one of the only religions that have an end to the world, and a very violent and negative one at that.
The selection of Revelation for the Christian canon was a pernicious decision.

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[euterpenc]

The selection of Revelation for the Christian canon was a pernicious decision.

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Indeed. They wanted to feel better about their Roman inflicted misery by damning them while having themselves brought to paradise. Or such was what the writer of Revelation must have been thinking.

[INThoughtPolice]

roams the streets taking pot shots at civilians.


I wouldn't go that far.

[fripping]

Main problem of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
1.Too many rocks.
2.Not enough air conditioning.

[philonightmare]

Islam is a comparatively new religion. Give it a few centuries to calm down. More seriously, though, what is it that the Muslims are allegedly angry at? That may be important. I've wondered the same thing and end up convinced that it's not "muslims" that are angry (because "muslim" isn't a cultural identity; it's simply a label for those who believe in Islam, no more), it's specific groups, ie: cultural groups, who just happened to share some common behavior patterns which are considered acceptable in their home countries.

A few examples being that of people of Syrian, Lebanese, Pakistani/Indian etc growing up with a culture which stresses the importance of community over individuality. It's a mindframe which is difficult to get out of for many of those people. In fact, why should they if it serves them well in their respective countries? however, it could be argued that if they wish to compete on an equal foot human right's wise and globally, they must grow out of their "tribal" mindframes (to borrow the term's usage from Lee). If that really isn't their goal in life, to become globalized etc, then how can one handle that 'situation' as a world leader? Respect their medieval traditions, risking to inflame their sensibilities every time a newspaper comes out criticizing some aspect of the followers' behaviors? or force them to change, inciting bitterness --just look at India as an example.

By looking at precedent, still, one cannot predict which policy will serve one's political and economic agenda, playing out perfectly like a well oiled script. What can be achieved, however, is that past mistakes can be averted by having backup strategies (or even having more than one from the get go can avoid some of the bigger problems) and a general sense of what might work for a peoples who may be utterly repulsed by the "western" culture.

Perhaps there are some valid criticisms to be dispensed toward the western culture, though, just as the other culture may not be willing to change, nor will the western one --and neither is so dynamic, so fluid, that they can claim that they are constantly changing and will continue to do so --that may be true on a larger scale, but don't expect those things to occur within ten, or even fifty years (a generous estimate might be waiting a full three generations or so, imo). Those of either end, deciding that if compliance isn't met, they should stuff their beliefs down another's throat and enforce it, are only doing themselves a disservice in the long run. I point you to the example of the Asian economic crisis of the 1990's for failures when such changes were introduced too rapidly.

So, as for "changing" the "backward" ways of those cultural groups (and more) that I previously mentioned, I don’t know for certain if changing their “community” mentality would be a step in the right direction. What I do know is that such a mentality often brings about a strength in family, usually culminating in one or two “heads” making most of the decisions for the rest because of a. their ‘wisdom’ b. their sex c. their family members benefit by having a strong leader who can be decisive on their behalf in times of trouble.

If and when there are food shortages or decisions to be made on who will be married off, given a dowry, etc, the community often benefits, not just the individuals involved in such exchanges. Another aspect that such a mentality brings about is an emphasis on emotionality –often resulting in what many western people (according to their perspectives) think is being over-emotional, irrational, over reactive behavior.

For something such as not “respecting” a people’s religious beliefs by making comedy out of it (btw, I’m not stating my view on this issue here), they would be frowned upon by their community if they didn’t vocally, demonstratably, show to their fellows that they were hurt on behalf of their “people” or group. To show otherwise would imply to the rest of the group that that individual no longer associates with them on such an important issue for them.

[lbloom]

Main problem of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
1.Too many rocks.
2.Not enough air conditioning.

:lol:

[25fd]

I was born a Christian but I don't believe in religion. In many occasions I expressed that aloud and public. In my family and elsewhere in society. I think religions brought a lot more suffering than good. I can?t stand the Pope and his institution. Yet nobody, and I stressed that has ever tried to kill me or swore revenge on me. That is the freedom. Can we say the same thing about Islam when there are mothers sending their teenage boys to kill themselves and be proud of it? All religions are bad and Islam is on the top of the list as it is right now. It badly needs some reforms. It needs to be brought to the present times. It is my opinion that Islam as it is right now it does not put much emphasis on life. I value LIFE. Life is sacred and is real. There isn?t anything above it. God is just a notion. It is and it is not.
I?ll end up with this analogy.
Communism sounded ideal and great on paper but in practice it turned out to be a menace. Islam may sound nice, tolerant on paper and teaching but in practice it portrays a different picture.

[Fingers]

Communism sounded ideal and great on paper but in practice it turned out to be a menace. Islam may sound nice, tolerant on paper and teaching but in practice it portrays a different picture.

Exactly this!

It's like the Koran is the only thing that?s relevant in the peoples lives.

How can a book that helps you be a better human compare with a book supposedly written by god, no competition, and that?s the problem. This is also the reason you can't be critical of Islam, disrespect gods words, YOU DIE!

Once they sort out separating Islam from the state and raise the educational standards of the people maybe Muslims will chill out and understand its not them vs everyone else.

[attila_the_hunny]

I'd be mad if I had to be completely covered in really hot weather, too. Then again, what I do and don't like means nothing to my husband.

[Conan]

I'd be mad if I had to be completely covered in really hot weather, too. Then again, what I do and don't like means nothing to my husband.

You got married? Whos the lucky guy?

[attila_the_hunny]

You got married? Whos the lucky guy?

If I were Muslim, I am sure I'd be married by now. I was being hypothetical.
The guy who would want my agnostic hand in marriage is a masochist.

[Pooja]

If I were Muslim, I am sure I'd be married by now. I was being hypothetical.
The guy who would want my agnostic hand in marriage is a masochist.
Not only would you be married, but you'd be married to your cousin...

[attila_the_hunny]

Not only would you be married, but you'd be married to your cousin...

There is no cest like incest. Or incest is the best? Whichever.

[C.J.Woolf]

Once they sort out separating Islam from the state and raise the educational standards of the people maybe Muslims will chill out and understand its not them vs everyone else.
Secular leaders like Ataturk and Nasser tried to do just that. They promised to make their countries wealthier and more powerful (i.e., able to stand up to the West). Turkey pretty much succeeded, but the other secular regimes didn't. Islamic fundamentalism is a reaction to the failure of the secular dictatorships.

[Jacque]

Turkey pretty much succeeded, but the other secular regimes didn't. Islamic fundamentalism is a reaction to the failure of the secular dictatorships.

Using Turkey again as an example, secular dictatorships would be the reaction to the failure of democracy.