http://forums.intpcentral.com/ INTP discussion forum MBTI myers briggs intp INTJ intj ENTP entp en Fri, 18 May 2012 08:36:58 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forums.intpcentral.com/images/misc/rss.png http://forums.intpcentral.com/ http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47475-Appropriate-a-6-word-story&goto=newpost Fri, 18 May 2012 07:03:32 GMT whenever somewhere a phrase of 6 or fewer words occurs to you as worthy of being appreciated outside of context, post it here, as "6 word stories".

sorry for the pomp.

the one that started it all:
"Remove the cuss word NOW!" ]]> Creative Expressions 1104 http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47475-Appropriate-a-6-word-story http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47474-Sub-fields-of-psychology&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 18:54:22 GMT Which sub-fields and/or topical subjects within psychology interest you the most? Which would you specialize in if you had the opportunity? What careers do you think these sub-fields might lead to? Which do you think is in demand? Here are some examples: Health Social Abnormal /... Which sub-fields and/or topical subjects within psychology interest you the most? Which would you specialize in if you had the opportunity? What careers do you think these sub-fields might lead to? Which do you think is in demand?

Here are some examples:

Health
Social
Abnormal / Psychopathology
Personality
Psychometrics
Developmental
Perception (further broken down into vision, audition, etc)
Cognitive
Biological
Neuropharmacology
Learning
Memory
Motivation
Cognitive Neuroscience
Educational
Language
Psychotherapy
Behavioral Endocrinology
Relationships
Evolutionary
Cultural
Multimedia/HCI

Countless other more in depth and/or esoteric areas...

As for me, I've always been interested in vision. I've also always been interested in dreaming. I may be barred from studying these areas in depth because I won't have the strong background in biology, chemistry, and physics necessary. Vision and dreaming are generally studied by neuroscientists, even though courses in cognitive neuroscience & visual perception generally don't require the same level of sophistication (prerequisites) as other neuroscience courses.

Other than that, I'm also thinking about more practical career options. Education is something that I've recently taken an interest in, not as an educator, but as a reformer - so graduate study in research and policy could follow an undergraduate emphasis in educational psych. Health psychology also interests me, as do topics in multimedia and HCI.

Studying the psychology and neuroscience of art is the most appealing option, but it's also one of the most esoteric, iffy, and hardest to pull off. ]]> !diom http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47474-Sub-fields-of-psychology http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47473-Full-post-editor&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 06:04:53 GMT The full post editor is tiny. It's really uncomfortable and nearly impossible to write a multiple paragraph response in this thing. I always have to use notepad or something and then paste it in, because it's too frustrating to write something more than 200-300 words in this post editor. I even feel claustrophobic already and I've hardly written anything.

It would be nice to have one that has a dynamic size that would scale with the browser size like the whole forum layout, or at least an option for that. I looked in the user settings and didn't see one.

How it looks now:
http://i.imgur.com/AmfyX.jpg

How it could look and how I'd prefer it to look:
http://i.imgur.com/dY5f1.jpg

It would be an easy modification to make...

Edit: Right, more smilies could be shown too, I forgot to add them though. ]]> Feedback and Notifications tranquilbanana http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47473-Full-post-editor http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47472-If-I-Were-the-Devil-Paul-Harvey-1965&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 02:52:01 GMT Paul Harvey got it about 65% correct. I'd guess some would disagree with the other 45%. But where is the discussion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJc8Mzg0C-c ]]> nobarcode http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47472-If-I-Were-the-Devil-Paul-Harvey-1965 http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47470-Toonami-is-BACK!-(for-real-this-time)&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 00:01:52 GMT https://twitter.com/#!/adultswim/status/202866436597743616 FUCK YES 5/26/12 FUCKING WATCH IT https://twitter.com/#!/adultswim/sta...66436597743616

FUCK YES

5/26/12

FUCKING WATCH IT ]]> Jynweythek http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47470-Toonami-is-BACK!-(for-real-this-time) http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47469-Is-my-life-REALLY-THAT-BAD-(and....it-has-been-pretty-bad!)-Venting-thread&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 22:24:42 GMT Ok, this is going to get really fuckin personal. I just need an INTP related standpoint here, since a lot of other people are fucking out of their minds.

Born in 1994. So I'm almost 18. And yet I feel like I have the knowledge of a child, with the energy of an old geezer. Here's the lowdown. All 100% true. Don't buy it? Too bad I'm selling it.

Throughout most of preschool and elementary (public) school I was one of the most hated kids in my school. Some teachers even hated me. It was due to my autistic prime stages where I had trouble functioning and containing myself in many situations. Yet I started outgrowing this prime and started to become "normal", dare I say. Then when I was 9/10, I made the move to private schooling. This particular school was a PreK-21 school, for students with disabilities of all sorts, whether it was autism, behavior problems, learning disabilities, etc. I'm guessing I was placed there due to a mix of the 3 examples I listed above (but mainly due to issues with teachers at public schools). So I got the hang of things there and what can I say? I did pretty well. Students that came along I become pretty aquainted with, dare I say, made a couple good friends. Broke the mold pretty easily. I started getting interested in science, all kinds of science (mainly atmospheric sciences) to the point where it was all I could think about sometimes. But my carefree and drama free attitude I think was what made me so repected by peers.

Then the collapse (that totally came out of left field to me at the time) happened. Meanwhile, when I was starting to catch on the railroads of the big bitch called life, family issues were brewing. And I mean, BIG. BIG. The 411 on this: My father's father trashed his credit after he and my mother got married, for her for whatever fucking reason. A year later his father passed away. And my mother's family had a lot of resentment for whatever fucking reason either, guess most of her family were a bunch of insecure fucks (and they were). Plus my fathers family had all split up. So they had to basically start FROM SCRATCH WHEN THEY GOT MARRIED. They started in an empty apartment room with a black cat and a milk crate. Damn.

FLASH FORWARD TO 2002 (I was 7 or 8, still in elementary). My dad had a panic attack because he felt that he wasn't doing enough working 2 part time jobs + doing reasonably well selling cars. And fuck he wasn't doing bad. He may have had a few issues, but he was basically the definition of a "family man" even though we all weren't in the best position (plus having another sibling born 2 years earlier didn't help with stress either). If he played his cards right, my family and I could be in a fucking mansion right now and I could be at the beach sipping lemonade four lokos with high school sweethearts.

But enough about that. My dad got so paranoid he had a major panic attack. Afterwards, he thought he needed to go on prescription drugs. To be exact, Adderall XR. Our psychiatrist at the time was aging, and wanted to retire, so he recommended another one across the street from him (BTW they both worked at home, ever heard of in-house psychologists/psychiatrists?). Turns out, this new guy we were getting our scripts from was a total fucking bum. The sad thing is, my dad never realized it. Why? BECAUSE HE FELL INTO THE ADDICTION TRAP. His behavior radically started to swing and year after year he got more and more close minded. He lost his car selling job (twice matter of fact) and started going on sleeping habits if his pills weren't available. Also, being that my father was the main power of the house didn't help either. My mom was abused by him constantly when he wasn't on his pills, to the point where my mom was afraid to leave him.

Enter 2006. Being 12 years old at the time, and having only one year until I reached middle school, things looked somewhat promising. Until all the shit caught up with my parents (unpaid bills, unpaid house rent) and we were evicted from our home. Luckily, my mom's mother took us in for 2 weeks, only for us to be forced out by my mom's 2 brothers (who BULLIED my mom as a child). So we were homeless. And me and my sisters education was down the toilet. After house-pooling (if you know what I mean) for a month, we rented a dumpy twin house. Only to be evicted again in march 2008....so we were homeless basically. But, remember that sketchy "psychiatrist" I was talking about earlier? The one who CARELESSLY wrote scripts under my moms name sometimes? He acted all phony and let us live on his fourth floor for a while, something that HE WASN'T REALLY ALLOWED TO DO (and did with a few other families/guests too [HMMMM.....I wonder why?!?!?!?!?] This was basically when all the growth and all of my stamina that could have helped me get through teenhood and onWENT DOWN THE FUCKING TOILET. For a good 3 years (age 12 to 15) I missed school because of this shit, meanwhile my dad totally fucking collapsed and is totally brain damaged, and my mom has an emotional scar (as much as she would like to deny it) from the situation.

But, slowly but surely things got back to normal. In november 2009, I went back to that private school. My sister started school again and has done very well since. In february 2011, my parents finally split up and I finally live in a house with my sister and stressed-to-the-max mother.

But here's the real kicker: this situation has me hurricane Katrina-ed all out (analogy). Due to me missing middle school, and having a rough first year back at my school, I have not been performing up to my standards or wishes. My math is at a 6th/7th grade level still to date. Science and reading are in the same boat. Only exception is writing (11th/12th). Here's the thing though: it is a school for people with disabilities, and while there are people that appear normal there, there are a lot of other quirkier personas. I've observed the way teachers there treat the more autistic personas and contrast it with the way they treat the more normal ones. I've always been under the impression that I have been somewhat "normal", but lately I've noticed that the way I have been treated, even by teachers that I thought knew me reasonably well, has fallen into autistic territory. You know how people sometimes call you 'buddy' or point out obvious things to make you look less superior? That's the treatment I get every once in a while. And it worries the fuck out of me. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe it's because I'm totally fucking depressed, moreso as the months go on, and can't be motivated to do anything, and that I go to a culinary school half day and totally screwed the pooch there to the point where I've practically given up in that field, and constantly daydream about how my life can be better, yet don't have the motivation to do it. Maybe I'm actually autistic to the point where I can't hold a sucessful career and clutch a normal lifestyle in exciting spades. All I know is this education I'm getting I feel has made me paranoid to the point where I have become paranoid enough to be afraid to do certain things, even things that I could do before. Yet no matter how many times I explain myself, I get brushed off and people claim "I'm not listening to them, or I'm too rigid" (my mom thinks I'm rigid). Fuck, I'm 17 and I've never had a job. Never got my permit. Have isolated myself to the point where I barely have any friends, and even my very few friends think of me as an afterthought. Also, I can't get a job right now because my mom wants me to babysit my sister while she repairs the extensive damage of my "family economy" done by my father and co.; working 2 jobs, one during most of the weekend. And the weekdays are a clusterfuck.

All of this combined leaves me to space out, and at times I dream about how maybe one person, a girl, even a caliber of the girl of my dreams, could help change all of that, and carry my life for me and make me happy, and I'll become a more secure and better and stronger person because of her. And we could get married, and raise our own family together, and live happily ever after, so I could live a happy life even without having a successful career. But then I realize that my life and I are so fucking messed up right now that I probably won't be able to hold a relationship for more than 2 weeks. Plus it doesn't help that a lot of girls my age do have higher standards, and treat some relationships like marriage and can be really contradicting. So we can just throw that out the window too can we?

I'm wondering if I really just have a disability. But when I was 12, I almost seemed normal, so maybe it was this situation me and my family were in that fucked my life up. But then teachers treat me oddly sometimes leading me to think otherwise. BASICALLY I'M JUST REALLY FUCKING CONFUSED RIGHT NOW!! :/ Every plan for my future has been thrown in the trash, even college. All of my interests have dissapated and I can't really get into anything else. I could give a lick about sciences anymore, even if I force myself to. I'm in a early life crisis. I'm too stressed out to think. It's so demotivating. If I'm not normal, then what's the fucking point of trying to fit in the so called mold of life (clusterfuck). I really don't want to contemplate suicide. Talking to my mom doesn't help, she brushes a lot of shit that I say off. And counseling isn't really helping either. Neither are meds. I'm in a big wall of numb. I feel like a massive fuckup, basically. I'm sorry for being a whiny little bitch. I'm just really confused right now and this past week I have gotten more depressed about this. None of you probably could give a fuck either, I'm just another stupid fuckup that can't find his footing, so why give two shits about him anyway? Maybe I've just become the biggest asshole on Earth all of a sudden and deserves nothing but cruel punishment and banishment by others?

And before you say this is how every teenager feels at around 17, most fucking teenagers probably never went through what I went through the past 6 years, and continue to do so. You would likely be dead by now if you went through that type of bullshit as an early adolescent.

Meanwhile, after I'm done posting this thread, I'll go back to procrastinating and spacing out in my own little world, my own, perfect world. :''''( ]]> The Local Pub crazyintp http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47469-Is-my-life-REALLY-THAT-BAD-(and....it-has-been-pretty-bad!)-Venting-thread http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47468-Psychometric-Testing-And-INTP&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 17:42:04 GMT First post here!

I'm about to apply for a job as a systems electrician/instrumentation apprentice and as part of the recruitment process I will have to under take psychometric testing.

The personality section has me a little concerned as I don't believe most employers will realize the benefits the INTP personality type and nearly all seem to want the "outgoing, can do types", who inevitably end up being the ones coming in with a hangover on Mondays. So what personality type should I be basing my answers on? ENTJ? ESTJ? ]]> crankit http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47468-Psychometric-Testing-And-INTP http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47467-Byron-Sonne-freed&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 07:06:40 GMT Today an Ontario court ruled that Byron Sonne was innocent of all counts against him. For any of you who haven't been following this case, Sonne was arrested shortly before the G20 Summit in Toronto for filming a security fence. His house was searched and computers seized and he was jailed for 11 months and had his phone and internet privileges revoked for circumstantial evidence like owning a potato gun, having a computer with encrypted data on it and discussing explosives online.

The judge ruled that having and sharing information about things like explosives manufacture on the internet did not constitute the intent to create or use them, and that he'd shown no actual attempts to produce them. But the fact is that in spite of that, police and crown counsel were able to tie up the life of a person for two years with politically motivated charges.

I've been especially interested in this case because of its implications for freedom of speech, data and internet privacy, activities in public space and policing. ]]> gator http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47467-Byron-Sonne-freed http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47466-Why-are-people-so-hostile-towards-Chrisianity&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 03:48:03 GMT Ive seen horrible practioners of every type of creed or philosophy. Ive seen horrible practioners of every type of creed or philosophy. ]]> Spiritus Mundi http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47466-Why-are-people-so-hostile-towards-Chrisianity http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47464-What-is-SeachFile.Com&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 01:55:04 GMT Everything You Need to Know About Our company's New Search Engine


SeachFile.com is the new search engine from Our company. Intended as the successor of Live Search, SeachFile went online on 3 June. They are marketing it as a "Decision Engine," meaning that in addition to normal search function it will anticipate consumer desires to help them make better decisions.


SeachFile is designed to be the opposite of Google in every way. While Google strives to be a simple and unobtrusive as possible, SeachFile wants to be the nanny of search engines. They do that through search suggestion, related searches, instant answers, and best match. The search suggestion feature is nothing more than an auto-completion function that kicks in when you begin entering a keyword. The related searches feature puts a list of related keywords on the left side of the screen on every search. Instant answers and best match features recommend websites when you search for specific categories. Instant answers are used when you type in a math problem or search for airplane tickets. The best match feature is used when you search for a specific product or service, recommending a website that sells the product that you are looking for.


When using SeachFile, it is important to keep in mind that they do not consider you a curious web surfer and they are not trying to make it easier to help you find information. SeachFile treats you as a consumer, and a not so bright one at that. The goal is to point in the direction of products offered by their partners. SeachFile is designed to facilitate in "making a purchase decision, planning a trip, researching a health condition or finding a local business." They do this through extensive market research and partnerships with various companies offering "cashback deals" exclusive to SeachFile.


The most attractive quality of SeachFile is supposed to be the ability to point the consumer toward products and services without the "overload" of information. What it amounts to is a perspective of the internet as primarily a tool to facilitate commerce. This is typical of the entire Web 2.0 phenomenon. I am afraid that the days of treating the internet primarily as an information hub are long gone. If SeachFile becomes successful, it will only confirm this suspicion. ]]> Online Tests levu1984 http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47464-What-is-SeachFile.Com http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47463-Is-It-Possible-To-Remake-Yourself-Socially&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 08:17:39 GMT The book "The 48 Laws of Power" has been mentioned here several times, but Im wondering if anyone has actually used any of the principles to remake their social situation? Or romantically for that matter? That would involve either:

--changing themselves through strategic behavioral changes or

--changing the demographic of their social fit, thereby "fitting in" better? Not that a lot of INTP's care much about fitting in, or lets be honest have given up trying, I still find it hard to believe that almost everybody wants to improve their life and make it easier and more rewarding.

Well, I guess thats why just about all of us are here, to actually find a core group of like-minded people who think like we do.

Im reminded of an old Dale Carnegie (is that group still around? I know the book "winning and influencing people" is still in print) saying that social success comes more or less down to 3 things: Interest, Similarity, and Proximity. As cliched' as it sounds, I've found it to be true socially: people have remarkably short attention spans and to be like someone, think like them, and live close by probably ARE the reasons people around each other.

But as for re-making yourself, the idea has been explored in different movies, ranging from some teen who suddenly becomes popular in high school usually through some physical transformation to some shy person who emerges from the shadows in adulthood and overcomes shyness or some personality trait.

But aside from the proverbial idea from Kerouac of simply leaving your currrent environment and striking out as an unknown somewhere else, has anyone deliberately re-made themselves socially in the same environment? The book 48 Laws talks about how difficult this is-----we have all conditioned people to "expect" us to be a certain way. For INTP's specifically the words that come to mind for most people who know us are that we are too intense, too unbalanced, and too serious minded to be any fun. Life of the party rarely comes to mind. And If Ive learned anything, 95 percent of people despise thinking whereas to INTP's its like breathing air.

So I suppose this really narrows down to the strategic end: finding intuitive thinkers in a non-intuitive world.

I recently was having dinner with my girlfriend and her aunt and suddenly grew tired of the endless chitchat and deliberately sent the conversation into a meaningful topic (because id been around the aunt and know that she blabbers on about the most inconsequential bullshit) but when she changed the topic to something like what color to paint the house, I kept bringing it back to what her and her husband were REALLY trying to accomplish with a recent move to San Fransisco. I guess my boredom quota was exceeded that night.

I was pretty surprised that my obstinancy paid off. They actually came clean and divulged some of the deeper reasons, and I got to know them for the first time. There were 3 or 4 ongoing issues in their life that made a move necesssary and if I kept them "On topic" i was able to actually learn something about them and transform my relationship with them from home decorating to human psychological need.

Im wondering if we can apply any of this to "picking our friends" in the beginning and avoiding all the wasted man-hours.

I like the old cliche about "picking your friends carefully" because as an INTP it is the most important determinant of leading a successful life or n unbearably boring one.

If you can re-make yourself, or more specifically re-make your strategies for finding like-minded people rather than changing the ones you already know ( a losing proposition) then you can actually remaking your life because life satisfaction is 95 percent social satisfaction.

Maslow taught us that beyond food and shelter, our biggest desires were for

-belonging, purpose, fitting in, being understood, being listened to, taken seriously, and self actualizing our life and passions. But to borrow another cliche (which I think are highly under-rated but seriously miscontexted), Its a whole lot easier said than done like everything else in life.

Its a whole lot easier reading self-help books at Barnes and Noble to actually transformaing certain aspects in your life, because our others social perceptions of us are usually set in concrete which is why Greene in "48 Laws" recommends stirring the pot by doing unpredictable and attention getting things at certain poitns which makes people re-evaluate you. ]]> I_Live_In_A_Van http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47463-Is-It-Possible-To-Remake-Yourself-Socially http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47462-Destiny&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 03:26:40 GMT I'm not one to believe anything or everything is predetermined, nor that we lack free-will. The idea certainly comes up often enough in conversation. What I find curious, though, is that some people will hold up past/existing occurrences as a monument to fate, e.g. "the movie Demolition Man couldn't NOT exist, I mean, dude". or "Could you imagine a universe without Led Zeppelin? Impossible!". This is the argument that carries the most weight in favor of destiny, for some reason, which is not unlike the rhetoric about our existence being statistically impossible - an occurrence is significant, therefore it must be predestined (which begs the question, is there any chance of significant stuff NOT happening without fate? Of course it would).

But we've all heard this before. I'm not interested in whether or not it's mysticism; what I'm interested in is how someone comes to decide that something is predestined. Do we necessarily have incentive to believe it? Do we have an inherent tendency to believe some events are predestined? Does this belong firmly in the "religion" category, thus making it pointless to question the roots of belief? Does fate make our lives more meaningful by giving up the responsibility of "allocation" of meaning, or the arbiter of it? By your definition of what is truly "meaningful", would a certain meaningful subject of your life remain consistently so with 1000 repeated simulations of this very life? ]]> Faust06 http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47462-Destiny http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47461-Please-Advise...-How-To-Fix-My-Life&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 01:54:39 GMT I'm a 33 year old, single and male
I'm a 5w4 sp/sx, INTP or INTJ.

I discovered my type only recently. And in doing, I've come to realize something extremely overwhelming: I've been livng in a fantasy for the past 15 years.

I've always thought I was special, the exception to the rule. So throughout my life I've chosen dreams and foolish passions over practicality and wise discipline. Only now, in a time of crisis, do I see things as they truly are and realize my failings.

In Middle School and High School I wanted to be a film director. I made many little films and actually got accepted to a private school for just that. But I didn't attend because my family moved to a new town and my parents discouraged the impractical nature of a career in film. After HS I attended a very good private college on scholarship but had no idea what I wanted to do for work and my father suggested becoming a lawyer so I majored in history and joined a fraternity. I neither studied nor partied. Instead I spent 10+ hours a day for 2 years in my dorm room attempting to master guitar. I felt I needed to be "good at something". Then I droppd guitar for piano. Piano for cello.

I worked for a law firm one summer and hated the shallow unfeeling nature of my mentors. Disenchanted with the propsect of law (and the unattractive girls at my private school), I transferred to a state school for a go at a new major and all its beautiful co-eds. I decided on software engineering as it sounded interesting, but I'd been away from math for a long time and had never really had to study before and without any motivation my grades plummeted due to the higher level maths, circuits, etc. I changed my major to psychology and not because i wanted to be a psychologist, mind you, but because it was interesting. After 7 years of school and only near the completion of my original history degree, I went back to history. But then I began recording bands in my apartment and got burnt out on school and my grades went down again and I got put on probation.

I temporarily moved back in with my parents and lucked into an insurance job doing catastrophe adjusting. Although it later became inconsistent, it at first afforded me the ability to work 3 months out of the year and then spend the remaining 9 months pursuing artist/intellectual pursuits. I'd already decided at 20 I'd write the next great American novel so I picked that back up and made it my life dream. At 26 I met my first love (a 2w3 ESFJ, 18 year old) and we dated for 2.5 years before she broke up with me for my tendency to withdraw, failure to commit to marriage, lack of a regular job/financial security, and my impractical fixation on writing. I was DEVESTATED! It took me 6 months to stop crying and 2 years to get over the breakup. Then I became extremely pessmistic, self-absorbed, and guarded. I swore off women FOREVER.

At 31 I met my second love (another 2w3 ESFJ, 20 year old). I'd cut off 6 women before her, telling them I wasn't ready to be in a relationship, but this one was my dream girl and a perfect 10, not just in looks but in every way (WAY out of my league). But I kept her at arms length, had taken up programming for about 5 hours a day and studying novels another 5 hours a day. I told her I had to study at least 10 hours a day to feel good about myself and even said crazy things like I felt I could live in my car for $5,000 a year and shower at the gym and study in the library for 15+ hours a day. (This had become my identity somehow, this focus on making me better. I genuinely believed I'd eventually be a rich writer, that I was just preparing myself for some future life of success through all this...)

Two months ago, after 1.5 years of pure bliss, my gold-hearted girlfriend (who had blossomed a great deal with me and was now a very confident model) told me she'd fallen out of love with me. She broke up with me to be with someone else, an Achiever, a 3 with his own house, luxury car, and a steady high-paying job. She explained to me that I didn't meet her needs or her expectations, that I didn't spend enough time with her or make her a priority. In hindsight, this was all very true. I was still emotionally unavailable due to my prior heartache and, I realize now, I very often withdrew simply as a result of my personality.

So here I am: I'm nearing 34. I've lost the two loves of my life. I'm broke. I have no career. No education. And I'm back living with my parents because I'm depressed and can't be at my apartment which reminds me of my ex. She's got the whole world at her feet and my 4 wing has me wallowing in the dirt.

I want to pick myself up. I want to be a part of the real world and stop withdrawing from it. Better yet, I want to be a 3, I want to be the Achiever who has a real job, a lot going for himself and much to offer a partner.

But I'm nearly 34! If I salvage some credits I'm guessing I can graduate by 37? Is it possible for me to find a job at this age and live like an Achiever (even though I guess I can't really be one)? Will anyone hire me with a new education but no experience at 37? In what profession? I suddenly very much want to make money.

As of now, I'm very good at English, especially creative writing, analyzing fiction, using literary devices, some linguistics. My reading comprehnsion is extremely high. I'm good at programming (VBA, php, some C, some SQL). I'm extremely logical. I'm good at solving problems. My weaknesses are meeting deadlines and finishing what I start - though I will obviously work on this. Does any of this translate into a potential future career? Should I use my experience to go back to insurance adjusting but take a 9-5 staff position? They overwork you with unrealistic expectations and you live by impossible deadlines working 60+ hours a week and it's hell but maybe it's worth the suffering... I just want to snap out of the daydreams and live my life and have something to show for myself and to offer a partner... Advice? ]]> SeeTheChild http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47461-Please-Advise...-How-To-Fix-My-Life http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47460-Understanding-SJ-s-(slightly-frustrated-rant-too)&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 00:27:08 GMT Hi. Been a while since I was here, but i've been having some difficult times with SJ's lately (i.e all of my immediate family). If I was F, I might call this "venting", but it's more like a desire for intellectual closure lol. It's like a block of perplexing irrationality, I'd feel a lot better if I understood the situation properly, then I could come to terms with it and accept it.

So...
-Why do SJs take every criticism as an attack on the core of their being, as if i'm declaring them as inherently flawed and defective as human beings?
Say someone does something a little irritating. Keeps sneezing without covering their mouth, for example. I say "would you mind if you could cover your mouth when sneezing? It's a bit unpleasant for me as is." In a pleasant, understanding tone. Now, asking for a slight behavioural modification has nothing to really do with the person themselves. We all have behaviours, sometimes they aren't harmonious with others needs, and we adjust. Instead of seeing the behaviour in question as a coincidence of action, saying "sure", etc, they take it as though i'm criticising them, as a person. Then, upon being offended, instead of explaining that I offended them, they will project hostility and assume battle-stance. Mutual cooperation goes out the window, it becomes "winning" an imaginary game, forcing me to submit to them being "right" by merit of criteria dysfunctional for determining right from wrong, in any case.

-When I do something they find irritating, lets say move from place to place without meticulously and constantly scanning the environment for traces of disorder or clutter to be corrected, they cannot cooperate with me to correct the issue. Again, battle-stance is assumed, and I am tackled head on with an ensemble of emotional weaponry designed to batter me to submission. This is even, as I usually am, willing to discuss the issue in a mature way, with the aim to resolve any problem that is reasonable. Why do things the hard way? Isn't it so much easier and more pleasant to face an issue as mutually cooperative, and with understanding, to produce the most favourable result?

-Something is right, for no discernible reason. I know a lot of people will most likely partake in the masturbatory attitude that all viewpoints are subjective (apparently not the viewpoint that considers all viewpoints subjective, though), but, why do SJs consider logic of such little importance? Logic is logic for a reason. It's the most sensible way to reach truth, because anything that is the best way is essentially defined as logical.
Here's an example: someone's daughter I know is spiraling into quite a bad eating habit, about 15. I overhear her parent speaking to someone, about her growing weight problem, and I quote (approximately): "I guess she enjoys her food, and that's that." Now... do SJs not care if that statement actually makes sense? About a dozen inconsistencies, flaws, etc, spring to mind at once, jabbing me painfully. "that's that"? Something exists, therefore is justified? You gain pleasure from something, therefore thoughtless consumption and seeking of that pleasure is warranted? would you say about a rapist that "well, he likes sex, and that's that"?
If I pleasantly and reasonably point out some of the problems with this statement, why do you act like a deeply unpleasant and distasteful act, on par with grievous assault, has just happened in front of you? Are there any SJs here that might be able to explain this abhorrence of seeking truth? I can understand some types see no particular benefit to seeking truth for the sake of truth alone, but surely in situations like these, it's extremely beneficial to establish a coherent picture of the situation. Operating on deeply flawed principles will have a bad outcome, surely? You're free to argue on whether or not the principles are flawed, but to disdain even the attempt to discern their validity?

Sure there's more, but done for now :grin: ]]> MBTI Talk Fonduman http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47460-Understanding-SJ-s-(slightly-frustrated-rant-too) http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47459-Implementation(s)-of-algorithms-scripts-symbolic-expressions-etc.&goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 20:58:33 GMT This thread is intended to compliment the RfI thread.
A significant difference being that Implementations posted here need not follow a request or expressed desire ... for implementation or anything else.

If the spirit so moves you to present `code', a symbolic expression, script, magical incantation, code snippet, or even pseudo code or a flow chart/diagram this is the place to present it.

If I, for example, wish to present some applied math for folks with higher multiple intelligence scores in music or language than math -- unsolicited by anybody, this is where I'll put it.

Melody's Mathematica gems are welcome here.
nonperson's vi, Vim, Viper extensions are likewise welcomed.
Likewise with the programming pearls of composer, Harmony etc, etc. ]]> gps http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?47459-Implementation(s)-of-algorithms-scripts-symbolic-expressions-etc.