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    Default enneagram 5 wing 6

    This is an interesting description of the 5 wing 6 type. I noticed a definite difference among some of the members at INTP central from myself, a 5 wing 4. These people fit the 5 wing 6 description to a tee.

    Enneagram 5 is most associated with INTP, but 6 is associated with ISXJ. Though enneagram 5w6 individuals are INTP it seems that their N and P are weaker and moving towards SJ.

    Those with 5w4 could be INTP as well, but perhaps with a stronger N and P and a weaker T.


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    sixish skepticism
    a dry, sometimes intolerant personality
    5/6 may be more interested in politics than nature
    detail oriented

    unbalanced

    intense, argumentative combativeness
    rationalize that most people are not honest
    "The more I know, the less I know."

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    I test as a 5 or a 5w4 depending on whether or not I'm PMS at the time of the test, which would make sense with the whole w4 leaning more towards F due to a weaker T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outmywindow View Post
    I test as a 5 or a 5w4 depending on whether or not I'm PMS at the time of the test, which would make sense with the whole w4 leaning more towards F due to a weaker T.
    So you become more F during PMS? Hmm...there may be a hormonal relationship to the F/T function. I've also noticed my T/F function changing slightly with my hormones. I had a much stronger T before puberty, probably from less estrogen (a simplistic explanation).
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    Nice site, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by site from OP
    Average 5/4 is the prototype personality for research scientists. Analytical and detached from their emotions, but passionate about beauty and truth, they want to find the ultimate, simple explanation for everything.
    Precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Notsweetynice
    Those with 5w4 could be INTP as well, but perhaps with a stronger N and P and a weaker T.
    Umm, not exactly. The MBTI doesn't quite capture the 5w4, because it makes the T/F mutually exclusive. The aesthetic motivation comes from Fi, but the Ti is still easily the strongest function. They do manage to co-exist. In standard MBTI tests which force a dichotomy, I get high T values, but a strong Fi shows up if there are separate criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notsweetynice View Post
    So you become more F during PMS?
    Even though I'm normally quite a strong T, there have been times during PMS that I've found myself surfing the internet looking at pictures of puppies and tearing up at their soft, fuzzy cuteness. True story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbloom View Post

    Umm, not exactly. The MBTI doesn't quite capture the 5w4, because it makes the T/F mutually exclusive. The aesthetic motivation comes from Fi, but the Ti is still easily the strongest function. They do manage to co-exist. In standard MBTI tests which force a dichotomy, I get high T values, but a strong Fi shows up if there are separate criteria.
    I've been thinking of the functions as being on a continuum. It never made sense to me any other way.

    So Fi/e and Ti/e cannot co-exist, but if they are separated according to Fi, Fe, Ti, and Te then they can co-exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notsweetynice View Post
    I've been thinking of the functions as being on a continuum. It never made sense to me any other way.

    So Fi/e and Ti/e cannot co-exist, but if they are separated according to Fi, Fe, Ti, and Te then they can co-exist?
    It's a theory, it isn't perfect. The INTP profile fits me really closely, but the order of functions after the first two isn't quite right. Adding 5w4 sx makes it much clearer.

    Here's what I got the last time I checked:

    http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpo...&postcount=121

    There really isn't a perfect MBTI type for that order, although the two leading functions are a clean fit.

    The INFP or ennea 4 profiles aren't like me. I get along with them for periods of intense discussion, but they eventually wear me down, and I need to withdraw for extended periods.

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    I find quite a few similarities with 5w6 and 6w5. Some differences are:
    Unlike the more analytic 5/6 , 6/5 is more interested in being liked than in understanding the situation, although both are important. 6/5 is typically a traditional, conservative person who wants to fit into a safe, trustworthy group.
    -AND-
    Because the six-wing wants to be liked, they want to be sociable and have friends. But the interaction of the sixish mistrust and the fiveish analysis makes it difficult for them to get close to very many people. They may have more trouble approaching others than the more sociable 6/5.
    The greatest difference may be in the appearances and callings of the two:
    5/6 is interested in fitting in, but not standing out, unless there is extreme identification with ideas, in which case there can be a tortured kind of threeish social aggression. Clothing is usually conservative and often quite understated. Sometimes there is a coarse, gritty sort of appearance. Hair might be a bit messy, glasses askew. The six wing (and its threeish stress) sometimes brings in a desire to look sharp and professional, but it is not usually accomplished as smoothly as a real three would do it. Healthy 5/6 often likes to dress well, although there usually must be a conscious effort.

    6/5 has the sixish desire to be attractive and likable, but the five wing's withdrawing, analytical nature sometimes makes it hard to know what it takes to be appealing. 6/5 can be extremely attractive, or somewhat scruffy, depending on level of balance and the strength of the wing. Sometimes 6/5 puts on a show of false toughness, dressing in utilitarian, unattractive clothes and assuming defensive, accusatory postures. Others prefer nonthreatening but stylish attire. It is rare to see a 6/5 who stands out because of exceptionally colorful clothing.
    Some 5/6es find work that combines non-threatening social interaction with rigorous intellectual exercise. Technical test engineers, chess players, historians, museum curators. Others use their social perceptions more directly, becoming psychologists, social commentators, novelists, social theoreticians, science popularizers. Many become scientists of different kinds, from embryologists to materials specialists. There are 5/6 magicians, psychic debunkers, computer engineers, interpreters, and math teachers. Of course, 5/6es can also be found doing many other kinds of work.

    Some 6/5s find work that combines belonging to a group with being alone. Janitors, forest rangers, taxi drivers, bus drivers. They might like to be involved in serious, dangerous protection activities, as police officers, fire fighters, spies, private investigators, paramedics, or ambulance drivers. Others pursue risky hobbies like hang-gliding, rock climbing, skydiving, or scuba while working as architects, train conductors, or electrical engineers. Some find ways to protect underprivileged people, becoming defense attorneys, politicians, or other sorts of advocates. There are 6/5 construction engineers, sanitary engineers, and evangelical ministers. Of course, 6/5s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.
    Still too close to call, but I know it's one or the other. Good information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notsweetynice View Post
    So you become more F during PMS? Hmm...there may be a hormonal relationship to the F/T function. I've also noticed my T/F function changing slightly with my hormones. I had a much stronger T before puberty, probably from less estrogen (a simplistic explanation).
    Interestingly enough, it was the opposite with me. I was much more F before puberty, and now my F is very underdeveloped and my T reigns supreme.
    I may sometimes get a little more heated and more likely to argue during that time [PMS], but it is also because I hold everything in, and that's the only time I can let go. My argument is valid, but more intense than I would like.
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    All I know is if you combine an INFP personality with a 5 with a 6 wing, then you end up with an egocentric, schizoid bastard who is almost always paranoid of everyone's motives. Oh, and he also loves to chew people out for the things they aren't saying but pretend they are so clever for insinuating.

    Nonetheless, I have a very strong N and P, so a weak F must offset that. I do find that the stronger the intuition, the more paranoia and the stronger the perception, the more frustration. I think in general, its an unhealthy combination.
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